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Redox
Germany24794 Posts
On April 23 2013 01:38 Mato87 wrote: This is outrageous...he should be in the premier division in the first place, and wtf are the koreans doing in the NA qualification? Demuslim is also not American. | ||
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Kuni
Austria765 Posts
Demuslim: - Permanent residency in the US, - has a job in the US, - pays taxes in the US, for more than a year now I think? Korean: - Internet connection from Korea .... to the US. | ||
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Liman
Serbia681 Posts
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
On April 22 2013 23:48 BigAsia wrote: So stupid that he didn't get an invite straight away while players like Fenix did. Not hating on Fenix but he hasn't done anything of note in the last 1-2 years. Fenix and Capoch won WCS tournaments last year in Peru and Argentina respectively. That's why they're invited and Demuslim is not. (I completely agree it's a poor decision. I'm just pointing out that there is a defense for it.) | ||
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dohgg
310 Posts
for example, Ben met on the few days he streamed before the WCS qualifiers, players like (Byun and Polt) which gave him great practice - and indeed we saw, how Ben defeated a top Korean Terran named aLive - but fell to other races top Koreans, Oz and Revival... is it because no top Z or P decided to login into the NA gm system? i wonder.... | ||
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Longtimer
490 Posts
And I don't really agree with the rest of your post. He openly admits that Byun and Polt in particular are (much) better than him, which is true, but what's interesting is that he always learns and improves (for example, he can lose three times in a row, but then he watches the replay and suddenly he's able to win). He wouldn't have been able to do that if he struggled with what you insinuated. Demuslim is a great talent, and he is also one of the foreigners that has the most Korean-esque playstyle. What I would like to see is that he improves his scouting (could be as simple as holding his watch tower) and that he improves his cheeses. Because, let's face it, Koreans aren't only Gods at macroing, they are the Gods of cheesing as well. | ||
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BigAsia
Canada451 Posts
On April 23 2013 03:52 LuckoftheIrish wrote: Fenix and Capoch won WCS tournaments last year in Peru and Argentina respectively. That's why they're invited and Demuslim is not. (I completely agree it's a poor decision. I'm just pointing out that there is a defense for it.) What was the competition like there? | ||
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dohgg
310 Posts
On April 23 2013 04:27 Longtimer wrote: Demuslim is as far as I'm concerned better against Zerg than against the two other races. And I don't really agree with the rest of your post. He openly admits that Byun and Polt in particular are (much) better than him, which is true, but what's interesting is that he always learns and improves (for example, he can lose three times in a row, but then he watches the replay and suddenly he's able to win). He wouldn't have been able to do that if he struggled with what you insinuated. Demuslim is a great talent, and he is also one of the foreigners that has the most Korean-esque playstyle. What I would like to see is that he improves his scouting (could be as simple as holding his watch tower) and that he improves his cheeses. Because, let's face it, Koreans aren't only Gods at macroing, they are the Gods of cheesing as well. Well first of all, just to say, unlike you, i didnt and will never judge any kind of an aspect of the gameplay of a pro, claiming lack of scouting as might as it is actually might be true - who the hell are we to judge it? the big boy knows what he's doing... Just saying, for me it feels quite weird, that a pro player at the level of Ben, need to relay on koreans to login into NA game ladder, so he'll be able to have good (koreans) practices. so for instance, if a player like Ben meets for the first time in a long period a top korean (might it be at any race), while its actually on an official game in some kind of a tournament - then i must say (w/o any kind of need to understand aspects of the game) that something is wrong in the way he prepares or practices. | ||
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KvltMan
Sweden1609 Posts
Does it matter? | ||
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26021 Posts
Considering how good he is with his current location, I'd love to see him over in the EGTL house. | ||
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Longtimer
490 Posts
On April 23 2013 05:04 dohgg wrote: Well first of all, just to say, unlike you, i didnt and will never judge any kind of an aspect of the gameplay of a pro, claiming lack of scouting as might as it is actually might be true - who the hell are we to judge it? the big boy knows what he's doing... When he refuses to take the watch tower, only to get surprised by a roach all in, then I think it's fair to mention it. Well, Demuslim lives in NA so that's how it's going to be for now. It isn't like he is immortal on the ladder either, if he was Polt and had 110-10 in stats, then you could say that he needs better practice, but for now I think that the NA-ladder is more than decent enough practice for him. Hell, he was only one game away from qualifying, considering how little he has done since his arm broke I think that's quite an achievement. | ||
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
Very poor. WCS Peru happened when CatZ was in the US, so Fenix basically won by default. Same with WCS Argentina; Capoch is the only legit player in that country. At WCS South America, Fenix was second to cKiller and Capoch was 5/6th. Again, though, the South American competition was quite weak. I'd have expected Catz to take second or third had he attended. It only matters as the 2013 WCS is theoretically an extension of the 2012 WCS. | ||
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BlazingFear
Poland6 Posts
Sure he is GM NA rank 1, so what? All it means he is doing well while laddering. This guy is extremely overrated, EXTREMELY. Playing since WoL beta, 23 years old now, lacking any achievements besides being 2nd/3rd in low tier tournaments. It's called being a pub star. He is not talented, he is not skilled (in terms of pro gaming). This is why he didn't get invited into WCS in the first place. Very little to none success in such a long career run is bad. I don't see any reason he should get an insta spot in prestigious tour. He is too old now to suddenly start winning against beast at the pro scene. His global winnings from prizepools is around'ish 20k$. Compare that to 22 years old EG.HuK with winnings of 70k$. Or Scarlett 18 years old 40k$ won, and she isn't really SC2 prodigy or someone whos sturming pro scene, a solid player with great potential. And demuslim is a person who lacks potential, therefore can't do anything in serious matches. Seriously, why would you even assume that he deserves WCS spot? You get invited based on your results, you need to be determined, having that spark that would allow you to compete with the best players in the world. And scoring rank 1 on NA ladder is not even close to that. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/DeMusliM Check the results in tournaments. That's really really bad considering amount of time he's been around. Yes, annyoing fangirls and fanboys made me post this. User was temp banned for this post. | ||
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LuckoftheIrish
United States4791 Posts
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Germany4057 Posts
On April 23 2013 05:54 BlazingFear wrote: Dudes, you really need to stop fanboying blindly because i have had enough of this, and you simply look retarded. Most of the stream chats are flooded with fangirls "omg did demu qualify, omg why not he is the best player alive, omg i'm gonna kill myself" and not even joking. Sure there is nothing wrong with cheering for your idol, but know different between being a fan and ignorant blind fangirl. Just know the limit. Sure he is GM NA rank 1, so what? All it means he is doing well while laddering. This guy is extremely overrated, EXTREMELY. Playing since WoL beta, 23 years old now, lacking any achievements besides being 2nd/3rd in low tier tournaments. It's called being a pub star. He is not talented, he is not skilled (in terms of pro gaming). This is why he didn't get invited into WCS in the first place. Very little to none success in such a long career run is bad. I don't see any reason he should get an insta spot in prestigious tour. He is too old now to suddenly start winning against beast at the pro scene. His global winnings from prizepools is around'ish 20k$. Compare that to 22 years old EG.HuK with winnings of 70k$. Or Scarlett 18 years old 40k$ won, and she isn't really SC2 prodigy or someone whos sturming pro scene, a solid player with great potential. And demuslim is a person who lacks potential, therefore can't do anything in serious matches. Seriously, why would you even assume that he deserves WCS spot? You get invited based on your results, you need to be determined, having that spark that would allow you to compete with the best players in the world. And scoring rank 1 on NA ladder is not even close to that. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/DeMusliM Check the results in tournaments. That's really really bad considering amount of time he's been around. Yes, annyoing fangirls and fanboys made me post this. While I can understand you, I dont think this belongs in a Fanclub. | ||
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Fortii
Germany760 Posts
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Mato87
6 Posts
pretty much this by "Kuni" Demuslim: - Permanent residency in the US, - has a job in the US, - pays taxes in the US, for more than a year now I think? Korean: - Internet connection from Korea .... to the US. | ||
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Vertigro
United Kingdom261 Posts
On April 23 2013 05:54 BlazingFear wrote: This guy is extremely overrated, EXTREMELY. He is not talented, he is not skilled (in terms of pro gaming). I don't see any reason he should get an insta spot in prestigious tour. He is too old now to suddenly start winning against beast at the pro scene. And demuslim is a person who lacks potential, therefore can't do anything in serious matches. Well shucks... the mighty BlazingFear hath spoken! I had no idea how overrated he was before today but you've well and truly opened by eyes, kudos to you sir... I mean, before today I literally had no idea 23 years of age was old?! but once again, BlazingFear to the rescue, emphasising emphatically how that is both relevant and critical... And he is correct when pointing out how prestigious WCS NA really is, I mean, its not like anyone can play in this tourney? Hell, did Demu really think he deserved to be mentioned in the same breath as HelloKitty?? And finally, to really drill the point home we have his complete lack of potential! Iv never noticed before how he has barely shown any improvement in his game, I mean, after this long of a career he's still BARELY competing with koreans?! What a joke of a player... once again, thank you mighty, all knowing BlazingFear, you've truly done us all a great service. I expect to hear from you again, opening our eyes as to why Life is simply a flash in the pan. | ||
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DeathProfessor
United States1052 Posts
Pages and pages about the things Idra said about Demuslim but nobody has talked about it here yet. | ||
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RoranRock
France294 Posts
 one thing disturbs me when i watch his steam : he often uses "we" instead of "I" to talk about what he's doing :D i'm not good in english and i want to learn, so could yo say that's normal to talk like that or only demuslim talks that way ? | ||
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