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On December 11 2011 23:16 CoolSea wrote:
It's somewhat of a poor argument to compare his win rate's to FlaSh's and using it as an argument for bonjwa status. FlaSh has played 591 matches where as Mvp has only played 156.
I also don't understand why people are so obsessed with the "bonjwa" term. From what I remember, it was really only used for sAviOr when the fans called him "MaBonjwa" and it was later retroactively applied to BoxeR, NaDa, iloveoov. As far as I am concerned it's a BW term and it should stay that way. Mvp is a sickly good player and I think we should just leave it at that.
You're missing the 125~ games he played that are logged in the international section.
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WCG is the crowning achievement for MVP's fantastic year. MVP is hands down the best Starcraft 2 player.
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no. blizzardcup is going to be the crowning achievement for mvp's fantastic year.
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I hope we get to see fOrGG vs MVP during Jan. Code S :x
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On December 12 2011 00:30 dsll wrote:
I hope we get to see fOrGG vs MVP during Jan. Code S :x
mvp will just crush forgg 
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On December 12 2011 00:24 teddyoojo wrote:
no. blizzardcup is going to be the crowning achievement for mvp's fantastic year.
Good call, I did not think of that one. But it is going to be definitely harder than WCG though! The games promise to be spectaculars.
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On December 12 2011 00:56 Sleed wrote:Show nested quote +On December 12 2011 00:24 teddyoojo wrote:
no. blizzardcup is going to be the crowning achievement for mvp's fantastic year. Good call, I did not think of that one. But it is going to be definitely harder than WCG though! The games promise to be spectaculars.
It's the Bo1 format that I'm worried about :/ Even tho Mvp is like the least cheesable player out there, but random banebusts / allins do occur.
Mvp fighting! Please win the Blizzard Cup as well  )
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His achievements says 1st in MLG Global invitational, which i do not believe is correct. He finished 3/4 with IdrA.
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On December 12 2011 01:32 EU.Pink wrote:
His achievements says 1st in MLG Global invitational, which i do not believe is correct. He finished 3/4 with IdrA.
Probably refers to the Korean tournament where he won.
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If MVP wins the Blizzard Cup I'm going to drop-down the b-word :p
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On December 11 2011 16:33 AxionSteel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 16:15 Luepert wrote:On December 11 2011 15:26 setzer wrote:
There wasn't a single point in 2010 where Flash wasn't considered the best player and that goes for Savior as well when he was dominating. Even though both loss on occasion (happens to everyone), they were still able to go to final after final. Savior went to 5 consecutive MSLs + OSL and Flash made every final possible in 2010. That is a level of domination we have not seen yet in SC2.
MVP is very, very consistent, but there have been periods in the year where not only was he not considered the best player but not even the best of his race. Although MVP hasn't been CONSIDERED the best player for all of 2011, he obviously was. Every slump had an almost coincident victory, fall to code a: WC, loss to mma: Blizzcon. I hate how people rarely called him the best at his race like they did for MC and Nestea even though he put up far superior results than either of them the entire year. Widespread terran hatred among casters, fans and fan favorites have led to an EXTREMELY hard rode to recognition for MVP. At one point there was a poll on TL for gsl August, huk was ahead of MVP by roughly 20% despite being eliminated BY MVP. MVP didnt take the lead untill it was only him and top left. I remember a hilarious comment by wolf in the gsl the shows the utter ignorance that leads to MVP underrating, When MVP was being Nestea in the GSL, he said " This is potentially one of the greatest upsets in the gsl history" Despite the fact that at the time MVP had 2 gsls and an mlg to Nestea's 3 gsls and THEY HAD PLAYED 3 SERIES'S PREVIOUSLY IN THE GSL ALL RESULTING IN MVP VICTORIES. LMFAO, yeah I nearly fell out of my chair when I heard that from Wolf/DoA, so much so that I let them know what I thought of such comments via twitter . And yeh the anti terran bias from most casters and fans make it much more difficult for him to gain popularity/recognition. He said himself that most people in Korea dislike him because he's terran
Great points.
When MVP finally gets his deserved widespread recognition, it will be that much sweeter.
MVP is like fine wine. His play is so refined.
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crossing fingers that bo1 and his tiring week-end in Busan don't get the best of him tomorrow, Mvp needs to win the Blizzard cup, he's the best among the best!
fighting <3
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![[image loading]](http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/8945/mvptva.jpg)
Too many wins dude, they're going to fall off the page.
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On December 11 2011 20:29 Skwid1g wrote:
If you actually look at the win-rates you'll see that MVP is basically close to/passing most of the bonjwa's win-rates during their dominant periods. I'm not much of an MVP fan but I hate when people use this argument to say SC2 is "coin-flippy."
MVP has ~70% win-rate overall, Flash has about a 72% win-rate overall. Obviously it's not a perfect comparison as they are facing completely different opponent's (Flash's being of much higher skill for the most part) but still.
Nestea have only 1% lower win-rate and DRG have actually higher win-rate than MVP.
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On December 12 2011 05:41 Asmodeusz wrote:Show nested quote +On December 11 2011 20:29 Skwid1g wrote:
If you actually look at the win-rates you'll see that MVP is basically close to/passing most of the bonjwa's win-rates during their dominant periods. I'm not much of an MVP fan but I hate when people use this argument to say SC2 is "coin-flippy."
MVP has ~70% win-rate overall, Flash has about a 72% win-rate overall. Obviously it's not a perfect comparison as they are facing completely different opponent's (Flash's being of much higher skill for the most part) but still.
Nestea have only 1% lower win-rate and DRG have actually higher win-rate than MVP.
Make sure to check the boxes for Special and Offline events, DRG's winrate is 66% whereas Mvp's is 69%
But win rates aren't really important, just looking at his tournament results this year you can tell he's a great player.
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On December 12 2011 01:32 EU.Pink wrote:
His achievements says 1st in MLG Global invitational, which i do not believe is correct. He finished 3/4 with IdrA.
There were regional tournaments - MLG Global EU, MLG Global NA and MLG Global KR
MVP won the Korean one for $2,000 - i will clarify this in the OP
Check this out:
http://sc2earnings.com/player/121/jeong-jong-hyeon
over $250k from Sc2 :o
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Does anyone know the source of the interview?
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While XiGua wasn't really up to the task, MVP's play in the WCG grand finals was incredible. That multitasking would have destroyed anyone. What was it? 2 nukes, 2 drops, nydus defense and army positioning? WTF.. that was seriously awesome.
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On December 12 2011 12:02 SarcasmMonster wrote:Does anyone know the source of the interview?
the interview
It's in Korean btw, I wish I had the permission to translate it to you guys, it's very interesting, although it's a bit old(April 27th)
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