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poorcloud
Profile Joined April 2011
Singapore2748 Posts
December 12 2011 11:54 GMT
#2001
gogo MVP, made the best strat possible to beat stephano.
Asha
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United Kingdom38257 Posts
December 12 2011 12:17 GMT
#2002
Ah DRG wins so MVP places 2nd in the group.

Shame, was hoping he'd get #1 for the bye, he needs to get a bit of rest sometime.
OPL3SA2
Profile Joined April 2011
United States378 Posts
December 12 2011 12:25 GMT
#2003
Stephano = DRG wanna be by skipping banes and goes straight into infestor (or muta). MVP said where are your banes? Oh you don't have any? Ok maybe next trip to korea. Cya
Playoffs? You're talking about playoffs?
Itsmedudeman
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States19229 Posts
December 12 2011 12:26 GMT
#2004
MVP should've went for a marauder helion all in rather than reactored helions =/
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
December 12 2011 12:28 GMT
#2005
Yeah, MVP is the final boss so long as he doesn't go mech on taldarim altar again. It was cool to start, and then far to lean on tanks and thors to work...plus you know, 20 minute walking distance =P

Very likely his Ro6 will be a TvT or TvZ though unless Naniwa impresses, so that's something
Mvp - Leenock - Dongraegu - MC - Gumiho - Keen - Polt - Squirtle - Jjakji - Genius - Seed - Life - sC - Dream || LG-IM - MVP - FXO
Veclada
Profile Joined September 2010
742 Posts
December 12 2011 12:36 GMT
#2006
This guy murders everything, so fkin impressive
asdfg
Thylacine
Profile Joined August 2011
Sweden882 Posts
December 12 2011 12:57 GMT
#2007
Add me into the fanclub!!!! please!
What you're looking at could be the end of a particularly terrifying nightmare. It isn't. It's the beginning. Introducing Mr. John Valentine, air traveler. His destination: the Twilight Zone...
msjakofsky
Profile Joined June 2011
1169 Posts
December 12 2011 15:51 GMT
#2008
On December 12 2011 18:45 SnetteL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 18:34 msjakofsky wrote:
On December 12 2011 12:49 bittman wrote:
I think had MVP won MLG and the most recent GSL the fans would have a stronger bonjwa arguement since domination in starcraft translates to first place finishes in all the big tournaments, at least that's what I'm getting from BW fanboys.

Nevertheless, MVP is undeniably the best starcraft 2 player in the world currently. He'll have to finish below someone consistently for that to change, but no-one is consistently a higher finisher than him currently.

So regardless of Blizzard Cup results: congrats MVP. You are, in my eyes, the best player of 2011 in Starcraft 2 hands down.


i don't think really valid arguments exist at all in the bonjwa matter. MVP wins 50% or more of the tournaments he enters... i think that sufficed to make a bonjwa in bw (plus all the "succeeding during the dark times of a race, showing new ways blah blah might not all be fitting for him but he certainly is dominating and that's the main thing imo). by any standard he is undoubtedly the best player in sc2, by far. a tier above Nestea. if a sc2 bonjwa would exist, it's certainly him

but people love the bonjwa myth, they love bw history and lore and nostalgia, they love savior, the more competitive scene, etc. it's rather the unwillingness to use the word in terms of starcraft 2 since it's a fairly new game, in most of bw fans/players' mind it's not a worthy successor to brood war and even though i enjoy playing/watching sc2 i think it's a worse game too.

we should make up a funky sounding title for him. like the gjharhwahin of sc2;)


I think you should reread the savior article.


i remember it pretty well, i don't really see why you would tell that

iirc a bonjwa needs to win a few starleagues/consecutive etc, needs to dominate the scene, do so at the race's dark times etc etc. note that these actually aren't some kind of factual rules, the writer of the article had nice fantasy and wrote an article that is awesome to read but it's not some kind of knowledge carved into stone. people love this kind of shit

and MVP kinda qualifies as the most dominant/consecutive wins which is the most important about a bonjwa, doesn't he. terran won't have dark days ever anyway and i'm too lazy to look the other criteria up that was 50% guessed up by a random bw fan who wrote an article about savior. mvp just isn't a bonjwa cuz we don't use that word in sc2. remembering every single word that that guy wrote about being a bonjwa doesn't make you cool, and since it's not factual knowledge a linguist would just tell you that the word's meaning is what most people believe it is (language is that funky nowadays). i don't necessarily agree with that but guess what to 90% of people here bonjwa means the dominating player, which covers a part of it's meaning, and MVP is the dominating player.

but my point kinda was that he shouldn't be called bonjwa cuz ppl don't like to use that word in terms of sc2
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
December 12 2011 20:30 GMT
#2009
You are the best MVP!!! No big deal about the DRG game. You'll get him back later. You can win this tourney!!! Most Valuable Player 2011
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SnetteL
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Belgium473 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-12 21:24:36
December 12 2011 21:23 GMT
#2010
On December 13 2011 00:51 msjakofsky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 12 2011 18:45 SnetteL wrote:
On December 12 2011 18:34 msjakofsky wrote:
On December 12 2011 12:49 bittman wrote:
I think had MVP won MLG and the most recent GSL the fans would have a stronger bonjwa arguement since domination in starcraft translates to first place finishes in all the big tournaments, at least that's what I'm getting from BW fanboys.

Nevertheless, MVP is undeniably the best starcraft 2 player in the world currently. He'll have to finish below someone consistently for that to change, but no-one is consistently a higher finisher than him currently.

So regardless of Blizzard Cup results: congrats MVP. You are, in my eyes, the best player of 2011 in Starcraft 2 hands down.


i don't think really valid arguments exist at all in the bonjwa matter. MVP wins 50% or more of the tournaments he enters... i think that sufficed to make a bonjwa in bw (plus all the "succeeding during the dark times of a race, showing new ways blah blah might not all be fitting for him but he certainly is dominating and that's the main thing imo). by any standard he is undoubtedly the best player in sc2, by far. a tier above Nestea. if a sc2 bonjwa would exist, it's certainly him

but people love the bonjwa myth, they love bw history and lore and nostalgia, they love savior, the more competitive scene, etc. it's rather the unwillingness to use the word in terms of starcraft 2 since it's a fairly new game, in most of bw fans/players' mind it's not a worthy successor to brood war and even though i enjoy playing/watching sc2 i think it's a worse game too.

we should make up a funky sounding title for him. like the gjharhwahin of sc2;)


I think you should reread the savior article.


i remember it pretty well, i don't really see why you would tell that

iirc a bonjwa needs to win a few starleagues/consecutive etc, needs to dominate the scene, do so at the race's dark times etc etc. note that these actually aren't some kind of factual rules, the writer of the article had nice fantasy and wrote an article that is awesome to read but it's not some kind of knowledge carved into stone. people love this kind of shit

and MVP kinda qualifies as the most dominant/consecutive wins which is the most important about a bonjwa, doesn't he. terran won't have dark days ever anyway and i'm too lazy to look the other criteria up that was 50% guessed up by a random bw fan who wrote an article about savior. mvp just isn't a bonjwa cuz we don't use that word in sc2. remembering every single word that that guy wrote about being a bonjwa doesn't make you cool, and since it's not factual knowledge a linguist would just tell you that the word's meaning is what most people believe it is (language is that funky nowadays). i don't necessarily agree with that but guess what to 90% of people here bonjwa means the dominating player, which covers a part of it's meaning, and MVP is the dominating player.

but my point kinda was that he shouldn't be called bonjwa cuz ppl don't like to use that word in terms of sc2


Well, I didn't play broodwar and wasn't involved in the scene. But each bonjwa has a distinct feel to him, not good results alone. Even if one sc2 player would have won every possible tournament up until now I'm afraid he still wouldn't be a real bonjwa...

MVP is one of the best players in the scene for sure (maybe the best, I'm not to judge) but I think he misses the feel the BW bonjwa's have.

edit: but we shouldn't make this a bonjwa discussion
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msjakofsky
Profile Joined June 2011
1169 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-12 22:09:46
December 12 2011 22:00 GMT
#2011
On December 13 2011 06:23 SnetteL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 00:51 msjakofsky wrote:
On December 12 2011 18:45 SnetteL wrote:
On December 12 2011 18:34 msjakofsky wrote:
On December 12 2011 12:49 bittman wrote:
I think had MVP won MLG and the most recent GSL the fans would have a stronger bonjwa arguement since domination in starcraft translates to first place finishes in all the big tournaments, at least that's what I'm getting from BW fanboys.

Nevertheless, MVP is undeniably the best starcraft 2 player in the world currently. He'll have to finish below someone consistently for that to change, but no-one is consistently a higher finisher than him currently.

So regardless of Blizzard Cup results: congrats MVP. You are, in my eyes, the best player of 2011 in Starcraft 2 hands down.


i don't think really valid arguments exist at all in the bonjwa matter. MVP wins 50% or more of the tournaments he enters... i think that sufficed to make a bonjwa in bw (plus all the "succeeding during the dark times of a race, showing new ways blah blah might not all be fitting for him but he certainly is dominating and that's the main thing imo). by any standard he is undoubtedly the best player in sc2, by far. a tier above Nestea. if a sc2 bonjwa would exist, it's certainly him

but people love the bonjwa myth, they love bw history and lore and nostalgia, they love savior, the more competitive scene, etc. it's rather the unwillingness to use the word in terms of starcraft 2 since it's a fairly new game, in most of bw fans/players' mind it's not a worthy successor to brood war and even though i enjoy playing/watching sc2 i think it's a worse game too.

we should make up a funky sounding title for him. like the gjharhwahin of sc2;)


I think you should reread the savior article.


i remember it pretty well, i don't really see why you would tell that

iirc a bonjwa needs to win a few starleagues/consecutive etc, needs to dominate the scene, do so at the race's dark times etc etc. note that these actually aren't some kind of factual rules, the writer of the article had nice fantasy and wrote an article that is awesome to read but it's not some kind of knowledge carved into stone. people love this kind of shit

and MVP kinda qualifies as the most dominant/consecutive wins which is the most important about a bonjwa, doesn't he. terran won't have dark days ever anyway and i'm too lazy to look the other criteria up that was 50% guessed up by a random bw fan who wrote an article about savior. mvp just isn't a bonjwa cuz we don't use that word in sc2. remembering every single word that that guy wrote about being a bonjwa doesn't make you cool, and since it's not factual knowledge a linguist would just tell you that the word's meaning is what most people believe it is (language is that funky nowadays). i don't necessarily agree with that but guess what to 90% of people here bonjwa means the dominating player, which covers a part of it's meaning, and MVP is the dominating player.

but my point kinda was that he shouldn't be called bonjwa cuz ppl don't like to use that word in terms of sc2


Well, I didn't play broodwar and wasn't involved in the scene. But each bonjwa has a distinct feel to him, not good results alone. Even if one sc2 player would have won every possible tournament up until now I'm afraid he still wouldn't be a real bonjwa...

MVP is one of the best players in the scene for sure (maybe the best, I'm not to judge) but I think he misses the feel the BW bonjwa's have.

edit: but we shouldn't make this a bonjwa discussion



hehe absolutely

anyways,ppl were going around calling mc, nestea bonjwa when they had 2 gsl wins.

MVP clearly surpassed that, and not just slightly.for a few months he's been such a dominating force in sc2 that it is absolutely unmatched. the whole game lacks something to have such a great story around one player/playstyle as saviors or oovs... but we have a player now who has 5x the wins as everyone else and is the clear favorite in every single tournament he enters. i'm not even a rabid fan of him, but i recognize true power;)
Cynthesis
Profile Joined April 2011
United States22 Posts
December 12 2011 22:27 GMT
#2012
Utterly dominant, what else can I say?
"Good game does not mean good play"
SeaSwift
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Scotland4486 Posts
December 12 2011 22:30 GMT
#2013
MVP is utterly dominant, but SC2 should come up with its own mythos and legends surrounding players instead of relying on tired old BW cliches.
Seeker *
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
Where dat snitch at?37064 Posts
December 12 2011 22:36 GMT
#2014
On December 13 2011 07:30 SeaSwift wrote:
MVP is utterly dominant, but SC2 should come up with its own mythos and legends surrounding players instead of relying on tired old BW cliches.


I just googled this. Bonjwa's not even a legit Korean word -_-;;

Which means it is up to TL to create a label for dominating players like Mvp.
ModeratorPeople ask me, "Seeker, what are you seeking?" My answer? "Sleep, damn it! Always sleep!"
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rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
December 12 2011 23:03 GMT
#2015
On December 13 2011 07:36 Seeker wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 07:30 SeaSwift wrote:
MVP is utterly dominant, but SC2 should come up with its own mythos and legends surrounding players instead of relying on tired old BW cliches.


I just googled this. Bonjwa's not even a legit Korean word -_-;;

Which means it is up to TL to create a label for dominating players like Mvp.


Banjo's. Done.
The Notorious Winkles
bittman
Profile Joined February 2011
Australia8759 Posts
December 13 2011 01:01 GMT
#2016
On December 13 2011 08:03 rysecake wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 07:36 Seeker wrote:
On December 13 2011 07:30 SeaSwift wrote:
MVP is utterly dominant, but SC2 should come up with its own mythos and legends surrounding players instead of relying on tired old BW cliches.


I just googled this. Bonjwa's not even a legit Korean word -_-;;

Which means it is up to TL to create a label for dominating players like Mvp.


Banjo's. Done.


I like his nickname of "The Final Boss". That's my personal "bestplayerintheworld" status since I'm a game dev and I only think in game terms haha.

So until I see someone who is more of a final boss, MVP is the final boss.

Besides, I prefer to think of MVP as Magikarp / Gyarados thanks to his opened mouth, whereas final boss can become another player at some point...maybe...
Mvp - Leenock - Dongraegu - MC - Gumiho - Keen - Polt - Squirtle - Jjakji - Genius - Seed - Life - sC - Dream || LG-IM - MVP - FXO
bkrow
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Australia8532 Posts
December 13 2011 01:03 GMT
#2017
On December 13 2011 10:01 bittman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 08:03 rysecake wrote:
On December 13 2011 07:36 Seeker wrote:
On December 13 2011 07:30 SeaSwift wrote:
MVP is utterly dominant, but SC2 should come up with its own mythos and legends surrounding players instead of relying on tired old BW cliches.


I just googled this. Bonjwa's not even a legit Korean word -_-;;

Which means it is up to TL to create a label for dominating players like Mvp.


Banjo's. Done.


I like his nickname of "The Final Boss". That's my personal "bestplayerintheworld" status since I'm a game dev and I only think in game terms haha.

So until I see someone who is more of a final boss, MVP is the final boss.

Besides, I prefer to think of MVP as Magikarp / Gyarados thanks to his opened mouth, whereas final boss can become another player at some point...maybe...

I think some BW peeps will have some issues with calling MVP the final boss..
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blade55555
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
United States17423 Posts
December 13 2011 01:07 GMT
#2018
On December 13 2011 05:30 Shellshock1122 wrote:
You are the best MVP!!! No big deal about the DRG game. You'll get him back later. You can win this tourney!!! Most Valuable Player 2011


IMO he should get most valuable player 2011 no matter what. Nobody has been as dominant as him but I am rooting for MVP to win this blizzcup because its just so nice to see dominant players
When I think of something else, something will go here
rysecake
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2632 Posts
December 13 2011 01:13 GMT
#2019
On December 13 2011 10:01 bittman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 13 2011 08:03 rysecake wrote:
On December 13 2011 07:36 Seeker wrote:
On December 13 2011 07:30 SeaSwift wrote:
MVP is utterly dominant, but SC2 should come up with its own mythos and legends surrounding players instead of relying on tired old BW cliches.


I just googled this. Bonjwa's not even a legit Korean word -_-;;

Which means it is up to TL to create a label for dominating players like Mvp.


Banjo's. Done.


I like his nickname of "The Final Boss". That's my personal "bestplayerintheworld" status since I'm a game dev and I only think in game terms haha.

So until I see someone who is more of a final boss, MVP is the final boss.

Besides, I prefer to think of MVP as Magikarp / Gyarados thanks to his opened mouth, whereas final boss can become another player at some point...maybe...


Hmm yea...if you think sc1 players have an issue with bonjwa, think again before using the final boss haha.
The Notorious Winkles
kineticSYN
Profile Joined May 2011
United States909 Posts
December 13 2011 01:34 GMT
#2020
imo, all these terms are silly

people are overlooking the most important one...

MVP

he lives up to the name, day in and day out. and because of that, i feel the term is twice as strong than just being called mvp for whatever reason

people have played off of it as well, such as:

the mvp of protoss
the mvp of zerg
the fuckin mvp

bonjwa, final boss, magikarp, etc. cool names, but seriously guys! mvp needs no other term, he's established with his own in every way
IMMvp #1 :)
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