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Maliris
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Northern Ireland2557 Posts
June 09 2011 15:40 GMT
#1421
MLG really needs to sort out their shit, pretty much everyone agrees that the disparity between being seeded and open bracket play is too large as far as number of games played and the risk of being eliminated... obviously you need some sort of protection/seeding for successful players but this is too much... people are discouraged from returning or debuting at MLG because of this (Naama didn't go back and Julyzerg doesn't intend to return since he isn't seeded, and now thorzain doesn't intend to return either if he isn't seeded)
"Religion is something left over from the infancy of our intelligence, it will fade away as we adopt reason and science as our guidelines."
Curu
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada2817 Posts
June 09 2011 15:50 GMT
#1422
On June 10 2011 00:36 Starcraftplaylist wrote:
Wow that's horrible. I understand they have scheduling problems with the unpredictable game lengths, but they need to schedule universal breaks so you can leave the area from time to time ..

And not providing chairs and food & beverage diversity? lol

Yeah, don't attend unless you get seeded or a written promise that things will be better catered.


Well Dr. Pepper sponsors MLG so it's kind of understandable that they only have that there. Although there's not really much excuse for not having any simple water.
wat
Nerdslayer
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark1130 Posts
June 09 2011 15:53 GMT
#1423
Well talk about unfair treatment the Koreans got everything free and handed to them. EU send some of there top players and has to go true something that seems like torture how in gods name you actually won a match in that state is amasing.

Is it a suprice that the koreans actually won mlg in these conditions?

Karakaxe
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden585 Posts
June 09 2011 16:19 GMT
#1424
I wonder how they thought people was going to, you know, play SC2 without permission to take breaks to get some real food/relax/sleep etc.

If it really is that bad I feel sorry for the open bracket players, as if the disadvantage of playing tons of bo3's and with a low chance of actually getting seeded in any MLG this year isn't enough.
Sword of Omens, give me sight beyond sight.
Benjef
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United Kingdom6921 Posts
June 09 2011 16:27 GMT
#1425
Go to Anahiem. All you need is another top 16 result and your set for the championship bracket and will most likely stay there till the grand finals. Even then you can learn from this experience and bring all the food and drink you want before hand :D.

Also send an Email to Sundance, he relishs in making things go smooth and happy, so I can imagine he would make some changes if you were to complain or something.
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Nerdslayer
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark1130 Posts
June 09 2011 16:31 GMT
#1426
What MLG needs todo is having an open bracket and then a pro open bracket as soon the open brack finish the winners have to play the pro open bracket.

This would make sence so that the pro players dont have to go true a million games vs bronze players
Aristodemus
Profile Joined January 2011
England2014 Posts
June 09 2011 17:19 GMT
#1427
Disappointing to hear you were treated this way, I dont blame you for not wanting to go back. The system is flawed imho and needs changing, not just the others issues you mentioned.
once more unto the breach, dear friends, once more
Yamulo
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States2096 Posts
June 09 2011 17:28 GMT
#1428
On June 10 2011 00:53 Nerdslayer wrote:
Well talk about unfair treatment the Koreans got everything free and handed to them. EU send some of there top players and has to go true something that seems like torture how in gods name you actually won a match in that state is amasing.

Is it a suprice that the koreans actually won mlg in these conditions?


Wait why are you complaining. You do under stand that the korean trade benefits both mlg and korea. Is there one for ESL and MLG? no, so why do you think they are treated better. Seriously not everything is going to be fair especially if they are business partners. Also these conditions aren't that bad.....
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HesitatioN
Profile Joined January 2011
United States148 Posts
June 09 2011 17:36 GMT
#1429
sign me up please
such spectacular control and decision making
She doesn't wear any wings
Whitewing
Profile Joined October 2010
United States7483 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-09 17:42:55
June 09 2011 17:42 GMT
#1430
You should still go ThorzaIN! I know if I were at Anaheim, I'd love to fetch you food and water when you need it, I'm sure someone will help you out :D.

Besides, we all love you, must have more games to watch.
Strategy"You know I fucking hate the way you play, right?" ~SC2John
Qaatar
Profile Joined January 2011
1409 Posts
June 09 2011 18:01 GMT
#1431
On June 10 2011 02:28 Yamulo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2011 00:53 Nerdslayer wrote:
Well talk about unfair treatment the Koreans got everything free and handed to them. EU send some of there top players and has to go true something that seems like torture how in gods name you actually won a match in that state is amasing.

Is it a suprice that the koreans actually won mlg in these conditions?


Wait why are you complaining. You do under stand that the korean trade benefits both mlg and korea. Is there one for ESL and MLG? no, so why do you think they are treated better. Seriously not everything is going to be fair especially if they are business partners. Also these conditions aren't that bad.....


The conditions were actually even more unfair for some the NA guys who have shown up to MLG after MLG, and some actually got DQ'd. I find it funny how he only mentions the EU guys. Btw, at least the EU guys,especially the Western Euros like the Swedish, get to play in time conditions that are equivalent to their evenings/midnights, while the Koreans are essentially pulling all-nighters in order to play at MLG. That's called REAL jetlag.
Nerdslayer
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark1130 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-06-09 18:27:03
June 09 2011 18:26 GMT
#1432
On June 10 2011 03:01 Qaatar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2011 02:28 Yamulo wrote:
On June 10 2011 00:53 Nerdslayer wrote:
Well talk about unfair treatment the Koreans got everything free and handed to them. EU send some of there top players and has to go true something that seems like torture how in gods name you actually won a match in that state is amasing.

Is it a suprice that the koreans actually won mlg in these conditions?


Wait why are you complaining. You do under stand that the korean trade benefits both mlg and korea. Is there one for ESL and MLG? no, so why do you think they are treated better. Seriously not everything is going to be fair especially if they are business partners. Also these conditions aren't that bad.....


The conditions were actually even more unfair for some the NA guys who have shown up to MLG after MLG, and some actually got DQ'd. I find it funny how he only mentions the EU guys. Btw, at least the EU guys,especially the Western Euros like the Swedish, get to play in time conditions that are equivalent to their evenings/midnights, while the Koreans are essentially pulling all-nighters in order to play at MLG. That's called REAL jetlag.


Well I just Mention the EU guys becuase they have to travel just as fare as the koreans and its abit discusting seeing how they got treated compared to the koreans. Partnership or not. But you right its toally unfair to all the open bracket players and combine that with the extended rule I got no idea why some1 would actually enter the open bracket.

I also read about Rootcats gettting DQ for being late and I hard several of the korean players was like 30min l8t to some of there matches.

Yea MLG have to treat the korean players well but this just stinks.

And the problem is why would the EU top players go to another MLG in the open bracket? unless ofc MLG gives 4 free spots to the pool play. And thats my huge concern becuase I would love to see Morrow, Thorzain, Kas, Happy, strelok, White-ra goto the next MLG however in this state and the low price money i dont think they will..
Nerdslayer
Profile Joined April 2011
Denmark1130 Posts
June 09 2011 18:29 GMT
#1433
On June 10 2011 03:01 Qaatar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 10 2011 02:28 Yamulo wrote:
On June 10 2011 00:53 Nerdslayer wrote:
Well talk about unfair treatment the Koreans got everything free and handed to them. EU send some of there top players and has to go true something that seems like torture how in gods name you actually won a match in that state is amasing.

Is it a suprice that the koreans actually won mlg in these conditions?


Wait why are you complaining. You do under stand that the korean trade benefits both mlg and korea. Is there one for ESL and MLG? no, so why do you think they are treated better. Seriously not everything is going to be fair especially if they are business partners. Also these conditions aren't that bad.....


The conditions were actually even more unfair for some the NA guys who have shown up to MLG after MLG, and some actually got DQ'd. I find it funny how he only mentions the EU guys. Btw, at least the EU guys,especially the Western Euros like the Swedish, get to play in time conditions that are equivalent to their evenings/midnights, while the Koreans are essentially pulling all-nighters in order to play at MLG. That's called REAL jetlag.


and lol you saying the EU players dont got jetlag you do know we around 6-9 hours timezone difference right just as the koreans?
sambo400
Profile Joined March 2011
United States378 Posts
June 09 2011 18:39 GMT
#1434
I hope he goes back, he has the talent to place in the money even from open. He would have too if he didn't get in group death and meet MC twice
KiLL_ORdeR
Profile Blog Joined June 2009
United States1518 Posts
June 09 2011 20:34 GMT
#1435
On June 09 2011 23:42 Thorzain wrote:
Well on the first day we played until 3 AM and had to be at the venue again at 9-10 the next day, so we could only sleep for around 5 hours.

Their schedule wasn't followed at all. It could say that you would play in 5 minutes when you in fact would play in 55 minutes. It could also say that you had to play in 1 hour but you could have to play in 5 minutes. That lead to the constant fear of leaving the venue because even if it said that it was an hour until the next match i risked being DQd every time i left.

Also we werent very well respected by the admins. For example when i was gonna play vs qxc in the open bracket I had just finished another bo3 and was called to go play vs him. I went to the station and just said that I had to go to the bathroom and get something to drink because I was dehydrated (There was only dr.pepper in the venue and since it was unsafe to leave that's all i drank that day), but they told me I wasn't allowed to and had to play immediately, even though the game wasn't showed anywhere. There were no time to warm up before any of the games, we only had time to do our settings and then jump right in the game, even at those times we were ahead of schedule.

The only break we had was on the first day, friday, for around 1 hour. There were no breaks on Saturday or Sunday so I couldn't even eat. All i had on Sunday was french fries which i bought right after one of my games at the food court just outside the hall, and even then I was told that I was late when i returned.

At the last day, Sunday, i bought a lot of water and had in my backpack so that made it a lot easier, and made me actually able to play good on that day.

Some guys that have been at other MLGs told me that it was the worst MLG so far, organization-wise.

The seeded players had it better, they had computers to play on, places to sit and water and food inside the venue. Of course it's understandable that they can't do that for everyone in the open bracket, so I'm not complaining about that.

That's why I probably won't go to MLG Anaheim unless I'm seeded.


Well Raleigh was very similar, but obviously there was no "open" bracket, the whole thing was open. It was an organizational nightmare, it felt like they were running the tournament for the very first time (oh wait...)

But yeah, I would have just gotten a fangirl to grab you some water and food. You seem like way to nice a guy to ask someone for that, but I know there were a lot of people at the venue who would have been more than happy to get you some food.
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jlim
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Spain943 Posts
June 09 2011 21:53 GMT
#1436
thozain is AWESOME

and i'm not really into fanboyism

BUT THORZAIN IS THE EFFING SHIT

he came out of nowhere, young as himself, and destroyed his way onto the throne of the world's sc2 scene (except korea)

mad respect
Burn2Memory
Profile Joined August 2010
United States574 Posts
June 10 2011 01:40 GMT
#1437
Really sad to hear about your troubles thorzain and it really sucks that MLG has terrible orginization and is making top players like yourself hesitate to come. Although as others have said if you do ever go back, get somone to help you! I believe when naniwa won he had somone from dignitas(coach/manager?) fetching him w/e he needed.
K_Dilkington
Profile Joined June 2011
Sweden449 Posts
June 10 2011 10:00 GMT
#1438
Thorzain, you should let sundance know about these problems. You should also ask mouz if they can send a manager with you guys to the tournament to handle the food/drink stuff and any other problem that might arise. I think it would be a misstake not to attend anaheim.
Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by the age of 18
Euronyme
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden3804 Posts
June 10 2011 11:56 GMT
#1439
Haha promise a fan he'll get a 1 hour exclusive starcraft lesson, and let him bring you food and water. You could probably even get him to pay for it all ^^
Hope you go to the next event, but I totally understand if you don't.
MLG's have always been disappointing with their organization.
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AxionSteel
Profile Joined January 2011
United States7754 Posts
June 10 2011 12:22 GMT
#1440
ThorZaiN, If I were in Anaheim I'd be honoured to be your assistant and get food and drink whenever you want I'm sure some other fanboy would do the same!

Although I do think you should contact the MLG people (sundance or whoever), not being allowed to go to the toilet in between series is pretty stupid.

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