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dogmode
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Philippines491 Posts
July 27 2011 04:50 GMT
#1601
is MKP protoss now?? >.< i seem to be seeing a protoss icon beside his name in recent posts featuring him T_T thought this would be the best place to ask
"Back then teams that won were credited, now it's called throw. I think it's sad." - KuroKy
Kanil
Profile Joined April 2010
United States1713 Posts
July 27 2011 04:54 GMT
#1602
On July 27 2011 13:50 dogmode wrote:
is MKP protoss now?? >.< i seem to be seeing a protoss icon beside his name in recent posts featuring him T_T thought this would be the best place to ask

He played Protoss in BW. If you TLPDize him for BW and not SC2, then he gets the Protoss icon.
I used to have an Oz icon over here ---->
antas
Profile Joined August 2010
Indonesia300 Posts
July 27 2011 07:37 GMT
#1603
On July 27 2011 01:27 sunman1g wrote:
..

Being a MKP fan is really hard atm but I hope we all, his fans, can cheer him up even stronger now that he needs it.
I hope he practices hard and destroys everyone in Code A.

I want him to win it ! ( With nAni placing second :}} )

MKP i love you <3


True,

and for sure this really is the harder time for MKP himself.

And I agree with you that MKP needs to overcome himself, I mean he must really work on his mentality.

That being said, I still support you MKP, and I still love you

^^ HWAITING !!!
Entaro Adun!
Deleted User 137586
Profile Joined January 2011
7859 Posts
July 27 2011 07:42 GMT
#1604
Go MKP! He's beastly and just won several online competitions. Falling down to code A is just bad luck and he'll be back to claim his rightful GSL.
Cry 'havoc' and let slip the dogs of war
SxYSpAz
Profile Joined February 2011
United States1451 Posts
July 27 2011 12:33 GMT
#1605
Add me please. Imma stand by this guys side until he's back in code s. Rooting for ya buddy
MKP Fighting!
noddy
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom927 Posts
July 27 2011 12:43 GMT
#1606
On July 27 2011 10:28 Rylaji wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2011 01:37 drgonzhere wrote:
On July 27 2011 01:27 sunman1g wrote:
On July 27 2011 00:58 drgonzhere wrote:
On July 26 2011 22:41 TeeTS wrote:
A very sad day . But know he has to move on. It's obvious that his playstyle is a little outdated and that he needs to think over it.
In my opionion Jung Hoon (MKP) is the most talented SC2 player in terms of unit control, creative openings and generel mechanics. But at the moment he plays outdated strats in TvT mid and lategame, and so he loses every TvT that goes for longer than 10minutes. I really hope he can overcome his style and become a new marineking using his strengths, but leaving his weaknesses behind him. I wish him the very best for that.
GO marineking! Don't let this break you!


Hey you know maybe this is just me, but I don't see anything creative about going mass marine in every single match up.

While I may not be a fan of MKP he has certainly given us some very entertaining games, I just hope he takes this as an opportunity. He needs to work on his mechanics, he needs to work on different styles, and I just hope he adapts to a more solid and safe style. To me his old style has started to grow very boring.

I hope MKP takes this opportunity to practice ten times as hard, because he is being rapidly surpassed by other players when compared to his former stature.


While I agree that he needs to work on different styles I completely disagree about the mass marine thing.

When I see posts like yours I wonder if you watched all MKP matches (like I did) or you just talking based on GSL open season 2..
Because he went heavy rines in soooooo few games of the past 35+ that I really do not understand what this is all about.

Anyway I think his mechanics are actually much more solid than many other players, he also has a really good macro.
I think his weakness recently has been due to the decision making.

I could give you lots of examples but sometimes I think it's more "him loosing the game" than the opponent outplaying him.
For instance, when he recently played against Alicia in the GSL ro32 after he broke the contain he dropped several times and did some good damage but.. upon scouting the gold base he went totally nuts and felt he had to kill him right away. While most of the times if your opponent has the gold you HAVE to do something this is not necessary true when it comes to Terrans. In fact, I recall the income tab showing marine king's minerals being much higher than Alicia (cause of Mules). I think if in that case he went with ALL his army to the gold and killed it, then pulled back and went from there it would have been a win for MKP, instead he split his army too many times, lost dropships and gave him the win. In the game vs Losira he went pure marines for "entertaining purposes" I guess - but he has to realize the hardcore fans (like me) want him to win using any strategy and not necessary the one that he got famous for.
Today game vs fruit dealer looked really strong. If he did that against Losira I'm sure the outcome would have been different and he would have not been placed in the up and down matches.

I also feel he is slumping more because of his psychological condition rather than mechanics or style. I feel players like DreamMVP are less skilled compared to him and the reason why he won today match is a combo of MKP being too greedy (tried to kill him too fast when he was sieged outside of his base the first time) and because it seems like this mech style does not really suit him well (yet).

Despite everything I think MKP is insanely good and still in the top3 terran.

I am sincerely annoyed by all these kids who listen to the "current-player-Artosis-is-hyping" and put Bomber above him.
What has Bomber done so far ? NOTHING.
He did not accomplish anything. Sure, he took games off MC here and there but that's about it.
Reading some posts on these boards really make me wanna root against that kid.

MKP has an insane GSL record and recently did really strong in online tournaments (NASL, July trophy award, etc.) which makes me even more sure his issues are more psychological than other.
I feel when he is playing at home whether it is ladder or online tournament he feels less stress and performs better.

Being a MKP fan is really hard atm but I hope we all, his fans, can cheer him up even stronger now that he needs it.
I hope he practices hard and destroys everyone in Code A.

I want him to win it ! ( With nAni placing second :}} )

MKP i love you <3


I think you missed the point of my post, but its okay. And yes, I have seen all of MKP's games and its just what the guy does. He loves bio, and I'm not saying thats a bad thing but its too predictable. During the super tournament he did the same openings in all 3 match ups with very few exceptions. Bashing Bomber has no place in any argument about MKP's skill and I think that you are very misinformed about him. Last time I checked mental toughness is an important part of a player's skill, especially in a game like SC2. This is why a player like Nestea dominates, he is mentally stronger than the bulk of his opponents. I think that MKP was at one time the best terran in the world, but now I don't even feel like he is in the top tier. I DO believe he is talented enough to be in that tier though, so please don't accuse me of misinformed player bashing.


Not top tier? Are you high? I dont see how so many people can bash on MKP these days but yet put Mvp on some fucking pidestal. Mvp slumped too, and still is imo, yet I still see him as the number one terran overall.

MKP is still in the top 10 along with Mvp, MMA, Bomber and such.


This is true. Sadly he's just not good at the most popular matchup atm and I really hope he improves it over the coming month. That said, he showed impressive TvT vs TheSTC and ScFou but he's just having a hard time with it transitioning to mech.

Especially since one mistake vs an opponent who goes blue flame hellions will cost you the same while they can do anything they want. He's still young though, he has the most amazing practice partners anyone could wish for and considering how many times he has reached the finals and gotten far into other tournaments(usually losing to people like mc/mvp/nestea) if someone can come back and take their rightful spot back, it's MarineKing.
adiga
Profile Joined July 2011
495 Posts
July 27 2011 14:50 GMT
#1607
I will always believe in you MKP!
will follow you to whatever end!
The best time to plant a tree was 20 years ago. The second best time is now.
drgonzhere
Profile Joined November 2010
United States447 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-27 15:46:07
July 27 2011 15:45 GMT
#1608
On July 27 2011 10:28 Rylaji wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 27 2011 01:37 drgonzhere wrote:
On July 27 2011 01:27 sunman1g wrote:
On July 27 2011 00:58 drgonzhere wrote:
On July 26 2011 22:41 TeeTS wrote:
A very sad day . But know he has to move on. It's obvious that his playstyle is a little outdated and that he needs to think over it.
In my opionion Jung Hoon (MKP) is the most talented SC2 player in terms of unit control, creative openings and generel mechanics. But at the moment he plays outdated strats in TvT mid and lategame, and so he loses every TvT that goes for longer than 10minutes. I really hope he can overcome his style and become a new marineking using his strengths, but leaving his weaknesses behind him. I wish him the very best for that.
GO marineking! Don't let this break you!


Hey you know maybe this is just me, but I don't see anything creative about going mass marine in every single match up.

While I may not be a fan of MKP he has certainly given us some very entertaining games, I just hope he takes this as an opportunity. He needs to work on his mechanics, he needs to work on different styles, and I just hope he adapts to a more solid and safe style. To me his old style has started to grow very boring.

I hope MKP takes this opportunity to practice ten times as hard, because he is being rapidly surpassed by other players when compared to his former stature.


While I agree that he needs to work on different styles I completely disagree about the mass marine thing.

When I see posts like yours I wonder if you watched all MKP matches (like I did) or you just talking based on GSL open season 2..
Because he went heavy rines in soooooo few games of the past 35+ that I really do not understand what this is all about.

Anyway I think his mechanics are actually much more solid than many other players, he also has a really good macro.
I think his weakness recently has been due to the decision making.

I could give you lots of examples but sometimes I think it's more "him loosing the game" than the opponent outplaying him.
For instance, when he recently played against Alicia in the GSL ro32 after he broke the contain he dropped several times and did some good damage but.. upon scouting the gold base he went totally nuts and felt he had to kill him right away. While most of the times if your opponent has the gold you HAVE to do something this is not necessary true when it comes to Terrans. In fact, I recall the income tab showing marine king's minerals being much higher than Alicia (cause of Mules). I think if in that case he went with ALL his army to the gold and killed it, then pulled back and went from there it would have been a win for MKP, instead he split his army too many times, lost dropships and gave him the win. In the game vs Losira he went pure marines for "entertaining purposes" I guess - but he has to realize the hardcore fans (like me) want him to win using any strategy and not necessary the one that he got famous for.
Today game vs fruit dealer looked really strong. If he did that against Losira I'm sure the outcome would have been different and he would have not been placed in the up and down matches.

I also feel he is slumping more because of his psychological condition rather than mechanics or style. I feel players like DreamMVP are less skilled compared to him and the reason why he won today match is a combo of MKP being too greedy (tried to kill him too fast when he was sieged outside of his base the first time) and because it seems like this mech style does not really suit him well (yet).

Despite everything I think MKP is insanely good and still in the top3 terran.

I am sincerely annoyed by all these kids who listen to the "current-player-Artosis-is-hyping" and put Bomber above him.
What has Bomber done so far ? NOTHING.
He did not accomplish anything. Sure, he took games off MC here and there but that's about it.
Reading some posts on these boards really make me wanna root against that kid.

MKP has an insane GSL record and recently did really strong in online tournaments (NASL, July trophy award, etc.) which makes me even more sure his issues are more psychological than other.
I feel when he is playing at home whether it is ladder or online tournament he feels less stress and performs better.

Being a MKP fan is really hard atm but I hope we all, his fans, can cheer him up even stronger now that he needs it.
I hope he practices hard and destroys everyone in Code A.

I want him to win it ! ( With nAni placing second :}} )

MKP i love you <3


I think you missed the point of my post, but its okay. And yes, I have seen all of MKP's games and its just what the guy does. He loves bio, and I'm not saying thats a bad thing but its too predictable. During the super tournament he did the same openings in all 3 match ups with very few exceptions. Bashing Bomber has no place in any argument about MKP's skill and I think that you are very misinformed about him. Last time I checked mental toughness is an important part of a player's skill, especially in a game like SC2. This is why a player like Nestea dominates, he is mentally stronger than the bulk of his opponents. I think that MKP was at one time the best terran in the world, but now I don't even feel like he is in the top tier. I DO believe he is talented enough to be in that tier though, so please don't accuse me of misinformed player bashing.


Not top tier? Are you high? I dont see how so many people can bash on MKP these days but yet put Mvp on some fucking pidestal. Mvp slumped too, and still is imo, yet I still see him as the number one terran overall.

MKP is still in the top 10 along with Mvp, MMA, Bomber and such.


I think you missed the point of my post entirely. I never raised MVP on a pedestal, although I think he is certainly a better terran than MKP. My point was that MKP was a heavily stylistic player, a style that is now mostly defunct. Although he has the necessary skills to compete I can currently name at least ten terrans who are now more solid and consistent than MKP, where as a couple months ago it was only MVP.

I hope he can pick it up though, because he has given us some of the most entertaining games in GSL history.

So, please don't accuse me of being high, and stop raging at me when i try to make a point.
Dictator for Life of the PuMa Fanclub/ DRG, PuMA, Sage, Puzzle, MMA Fighting!
noddy
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom927 Posts
July 27 2011 17:43 GMT
#1609
Please name those 10 Terrans and don't say PuMa, lol.
drgonzhere
Profile Joined November 2010
United States447 Posts
July 27 2011 18:07 GMT
#1610
On July 28 2011 02:43 noddy wrote:
Please name those 10 Terrans and don't say PuMa, lol.


I will say Puma, but I don't have to. Don't understand the point of not mentioning him.

(T)MVP
(T)Bomber
(T)Byun
(T)Polt
(T)MMA
(T)Ryung
(T)Jjakji
(T)NaDa
(T)PuMa
(T)TOP

and then i could even list

(T)sC

and

(T)Clide

before (P)MarineKing.
Dictator for Life of the PuMa Fanclub/ DRG, PuMA, Sage, Puzzle, MMA Fighting!
Poopi
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
France12907 Posts
July 27 2011 18:08 GMT
#1611
On July 28 2011 02:43 noddy wrote:
Please name those 10 Terrans and don't say PuMa, lol.

Yeah because honestly except in TvT MKP is still a top tier terran, I don't see 10 terrans that have as good vP and vZ as MKP. (in TvP Polt is better or as good and Bomber is maybe as good as him, and TvZ it's hard to say because we don't see that often TvZ and a lot of terrans struggles in it).
WriterMaru
noddy
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom927 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-27 18:14:08
July 27 2011 18:13 GMT
#1612
On July 28 2011 03:07 drgonzhere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2011 02:43 noddy wrote:
Please name those 10 Terrans and don't say PuMa, lol.


I will say Puma, but I don't have to. Don't understand the point of not mentioning him.

(T)MVP
(T)Bomber
(T)Byun
(T)Polt
(T)MMA
(T)Ryung
(T)Jjakji
(T)NaDa
(T)PuMa
(T)TOP

and then i could even list

(T)sC

and

(T)Clide

before (P)MarineKing.


MVP has done just as bad, if not worse than MarineKing. Ryung is only good in TvT as you will see this Code S. MMA, lol? He's not even in GSL, doing awful in GSTL. Who the hell is JJaki? Scfou is doing bad as well by the way.

I'm pretty sure Puma winning the NASL will be the last we hear of him.

The only ones on that list doing better than MarineKing are Bomber, Nada and Top. He's still a top tier Terran, easily #2 or #3 on a good day.

Can you please leave this fanclub now? You're obviously not a fan and I don't think anyone here is interested in arguing. We know MarineKing is in a slump, we also know he's still very good compared to others and he will get back on top in no time.
drgonzhere
Profile Joined November 2010
United States447 Posts
July 27 2011 18:21 GMT
#1613
On July 28 2011 03:13 noddy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2011 03:07 drgonzhere wrote:
On July 28 2011 02:43 noddy wrote:
Please name those 10 Terrans and don't say PuMa, lol.


I will say Puma, but I don't have to. Don't understand the point of not mentioning him.

(T)MVP
(T)Bomber
(T)Byun
(T)Polt
(T)MMA
(T)Ryung
(T)Jjakji
(T)NaDa
(T)PuMa
(T)TOP

and then i could even list

(T)sC

and

(T)Clide

before (P)MarineKing.


MVP has done just as bad, if not worse than MarineKing. Ryung is only good in TvT as you will see this Code S. MMA, lol? He's not even in GSL, doing awful in GSTL. Who the hell is JJaki? Scfou is doing bad as well by the way.

I'm pretty sure Puma winning the NASL will be the last we hear of him.

The only ones on that list doing better than MarineKing are Bomber, Nada and Top. He's still a top tier Terran, easily #2 or #3 on a good day.

Can you please leave this fanclub now? You're obviously not a fan and I don't think anyone here is interested in arguing. We know MarineKing is in a slump, we also know he's still very good compared to others and he will get back on top in no time.


My intention was to leave this fanclub but people like you attacking my posts without understanding they are only expressing my desire for marineking to change his style and succeed have made it impossible. I will defend my viewpoints when they are unfairly attacked. Your post shows a lack of knowledge and even ignorance about the Korean scene as a whole. You ignore the arguments that are convenient for you to ignore, and then make ridiculous statements about things you clearly are ignorant about. I honestly do hope marineking does well. Right now, however, these are the terrans that I feel have surpassed him when once no one could really touch him.
Dictator for Life of the PuMa Fanclub/ DRG, PuMA, Sage, Puzzle, MMA Fighting!
noddy
Profile Joined July 2011
United Kingdom927 Posts
July 27 2011 18:26 GMT
#1614
I'm not ignoring anything? Those Terrans have just as bad if not worse results than MarineKing, lol. People don't judge someone by one matchup. If that was the case there would be no top player besides Nestea.

His TvZ/TvP are still among the very best. He was unlucky he was paired with 3 terrans in a bo1 setting and he didn't play well.

Gonna stand by what I said, he's still easily better than every person you listed on that list besides Bomber/MVP(who also is slumping).
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6660 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-27 18:33:13
July 27 2011 18:31 GMT
#1615
On July 28 2011 03:21 drgonzhere wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 28 2011 03:13 noddy wrote:
On July 28 2011 03:07 drgonzhere wrote:
On July 28 2011 02:43 noddy wrote:
Please name those 10 Terrans and don't say PuMa, lol.


I will say Puma, but I don't have to. Don't understand the point of not mentioning him.

(T)MVP
(T)Bomber
(T)Byun
(T)Polt
(T)MMA
(T)Ryung
(T)Jjakji
(T)NaDa
(T)PuMa
(T)TOP

and then i could even list

(T)sC

and

(T)Clide

before (P)MarineKing.


MVP has done just as bad, if not worse than MarineKing. Ryung is only good in TvT as you will see this Code S. MMA, lol? He's not even in GSL, doing awful in GSTL. Who the hell is JJaki? Scfou is doing bad as well by the way.

I'm pretty sure Puma winning the NASL will be the last we hear of him.

The only ones on that list doing better than MarineKing are Bomber, Nada and Top. He's still a top tier Terran, easily #2 or #3 on a good day.

Can you please leave this fanclub now? You're obviously not a fan and I don't think anyone here is interested in arguing. We know MarineKing is in a slump, we also know he's still very good compared to others and he will get back on top in no time.


My intention was to leave this fanclub but people like you attacking my posts without understanding they are only expressing my desire for marineking to change his style and succeed have made it impossible. I will defend my viewpoints when they are unfairly attacked. Your post shows a lack of knowledge and even ignorance about the Korean scene as a whole. You ignore the arguments that are convenient for you to ignore, and then make ridiculous statements about things you clearly are ignorant about. I honestly do hope marineking does well. Right now, however, these are the terrans that I feel have surpassed him when once no one could really touch him.

The Ironic part of you're post is you have actually conveniently ignored every argument he made against your point. Dismissing an alternate opinion as ignorant or claiming some one has a lack of knowledge Without saying why or proving it... is well, ignorant. Though MMA and Ryung are both good players, they are not at MKP's level just yet, I believe MMA will surpass him one day it just hasn't happened yet. Same with Jijaki. Bottom line MKP is still a top tier Terran you can't argue with his results(Even if he is in a bit of a slump at the moment) I could argue that MVP is in a bigger slump then MKP right now and yet he is at the top of your list? Clearly you lack knowledge of the Korean scene at the moment....(Notice how I actually but some evidence for lack of a better term, before claiming you have no knowledge?)

In short calling some one stupid and claiming they have a lack of knowledge on a subject, without saying why is retarded.. don't do it! That's not how a debate or a discussion works and it shows a lack of respect for the forum and for the people.
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
quRax
Profile Joined January 2011
Korea (South)264 Posts
July 27 2011 19:00 GMT
#1616
God didn't know that the fanclubs were made to argue about the players skill ? In my eyes they should be made to support and back up player like MKP. He hasn't shown great results lately, but really? Support him instead of arguing if he's top tier or not. Why ? Because he is a top tier player who deserves to be supported in times like these.

And dropping down to Code A isn't necessarily a bad thing. If he really wants that Code S spot back he will probably work even harder than before. This may result in great results in the future.
Marineking Fighting
Polt, Polt and Polt.
drgonzhere
Profile Joined November 2010
United States447 Posts
July 27 2011 22:26 GMT
#1617
On July 28 2011 04:00 quRax wrote:
God didn't know that the fanclubs were made to argue about the players skill ? In my eyes they should be made to support and back up player like MKP. He hasn't shown great results lately, but really? Support him instead of arguing if he's top tier or not. Why ? Because he is a top tier player who deserves to be supported in times like these.

And dropping down to Code A isn't necessarily a bad thing. If he really wants that Code S spot back he will probably work even harder than before. This may result in great results in the future.
Marineking Fighting


I agree 100% with this and that is why I will be withdrawing from this thread. Most people did not understand that the tone of what I was saying was meant to be hopeful for MKP's future play. Instead many chose to call me retarded, or some other such nonsense. I didn't post my full arguments behind my statements because I did not wish to be inflammatory. I will close as I have always, but with more clarity.

ALTHOUGH I may THINK that MarineKing has fallen from top tier play as of now, it is my earnest HOPE that he ELEVATES his level of play. I wish him all the SUCCESS in the world, because I am a FAN and I hate to see him LOSE. This is why I am critical of his play, because I am a fan.

If you really want to know my reasons for thinking what I do PM me, a fanclub is not the place for this shit.

GOGO MKP!
Dictator for Life of the PuMa Fanclub/ DRG, PuMA, Sage, Puzzle, MMA Fighting!
Isaac
Profile Joined August 2010
United States810 Posts
July 27 2011 22:35 GMT
#1618
It seems that he doesn't want to adapt to the current metagame, he has been setting trends all his starcraft 2 career, and is not comfortable following and refining the current trends.
anyways, i am hoping for a good CODE A season.
number one fan of marineking
skrzmark
Profile Joined November 2010
United States1528 Posts
July 27 2011 22:49 GMT
#1619
It's ok Marineking when you win Code A instead of OptimusPrime they will call you MetroidPrime.
We got them GOM TvT's and them mlGG's
iYiYi
Profile Joined March 2011
United States489 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-27 23:20:45
July 27 2011 23:19 GMT
#1620
People don't seem to realize how volatile TvT is. It is like its own game and it takes a ton of practice to master compared to the other two mirror match ups. In my opinion MarineKing, Sc, and MVP are all more well rounded Terrans then most others. But a lot of the time they get stuck vs opponents who are simply better TvTers. So in certain tournaments they make it far like MKP's super tournament run and others they appear to "slump". When in fact he is still an amazing player just hasn't caught up with the harsh world of TvT....
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