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On July 28 2011 03:13 noddy wrote:MVP has done just as bad, if not worse than MarineKing. Ryung is only good in TvT as you will see this Code S. MMA, lol? He's not even in GSL, doing awful in GSTL. Who the hell is JJaki? Scfou is doing bad as well by the way. I'm pretty sure Puma winning the NASL will be the last we hear of him. The only ones on that list doing better than MarineKing are Bomber, Nada and Top. He's still a top tier Terran, easily #2 or #3 on a good day. Can you please leave this fanclub now? You're obviously not a fan and I don't think anyone here is interested in arguing. We know MarineKing is in a slump, we also know he's still very good compared to others and he will get back on top in no time.
Are you a dumbass?(Ignoring last paragraph)
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On July 28 2011 08:44 grush57 wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 03:13 noddy wrote:MVP has done just as bad, if not worse than MarineKing. Ryung is only good in TvT as you will see this Code S. MMA, lol? He's not even in GSL, doing awful in GSTL. Who the hell is JJaki? Scfou is doing bad as well by the way. I'm pretty sure Puma winning the NASL will be the last we hear of him. The only ones on that list doing better than MarineKing are Bomber, Nada and Top. He's still a top tier Terran, easily #2 or #3 on a good day. Can you please leave this fanclub now? You're obviously not a fan and I don't think anyone here is interested in arguing. We know MarineKing is in a slump, we also know he's still very good compared to others and he will get back on top in no time. Are you a dumbass?(Ignoring last paragraph)
Elaborate? Perhaps you should read TeamLiquid's rules.
Everything I said in my post is factual.
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It's not factual. MVP has not fallen to code A twice. Ryung is a sick good player who slumped recently due to injury, but as we saw recently he can still dispense swift and stunning ownage. MMA was in the GSL super tournament final and won MLG Colombus a very short time ago, calling him bad would be hilarious folly. Even sick monsters like DRG can exist outside of GSL due to the nature of the competition. Sc is very overrated, I'll give you that. With EG signing Puma, there is basically zero chance of NASL being the last we've heard of him.
I want to call MKP one of the top Terrans right now, but even among the Prime team he has fallen behind Optimus. There seems to be a weird new crest in the talent trend where players like Byun are rapidly rising. The seas are changing. Top tier? Yes. #2 or #3? Hyperbole. Let's have realistic expectations of the King
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On July 28 2011 09:07 Airship wrote:
It's not factual. MVP has not fallen to code A twice. Ryung is a sick good player who slumped recently due to injury, but as we saw recently he can still dispense swift and stunning ownage. MMA was in the GSL super tournament final and won MLG Colombus a very short time ago, calling him bad would be hilarious folly. Even sick monsters like DRG can exist outside of GSL due to the nature of the competition. Sc is very overrated, I'll give you that. With EG signing Puma, there is basically zero chance of NASL being the last we've heard of him.
I want to call MKP one of the top Terrans right now, but even among the Prime team he has fallen behind Optimus. There seems to be a weird new crest in the talent trend where players like Byun are rapidly rising. The seas are changing. Top tier? Yes. #2 or #3? Hyperbole. Let's have realistic expectations of the King
You refer to the Super Tournament to back up MMA but seem to leave out that MarineKing managed to get to the ro4? Since then he has done better than MMA. All we saw from Ryung was TvT, which I mentioned in my post.
Please, if you refer to MLG/Super Tournament dont disregard MarineKing's results in that time period. He won the FXOpen at around the same time.. and considering the qualify of opponents he faced in comparison with the quality of opponents MMA faced at MLG it's definitely worth bringing up.
I said when he plays on top of his game he's still #2, #3. With that I mean his TvZ and TvP, not referring to the Marine only match vs Losira or the all-in vs Huk. I mean BoX's, which every good player should be judged on.
By the way, MarineKing has not fallen to Code A twice either. This is the first time.
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On July 28 2011 09:21 noddy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 09:07 Airship wrote:
It's not factual. MVP has not fallen to code A twice. Ryung is a sick good player who slumped recently due to injury, but as we saw recently he can still dispense swift and stunning ownage. MMA was in the GSL super tournament final and won MLG Colombus a very short time ago, calling him bad would be hilarious folly. Even sick monsters like DRG can exist outside of GSL due to the nature of the competition. Sc is very overrated, I'll give you that. With EG signing Puma, there is basically zero chance of NASL being the last we've heard of him.
I want to call MKP one of the top Terrans right now, but even among the Prime team he has fallen behind Optimus. There seems to be a weird new crest in the talent trend where players like Byun are rapidly rising. The seas are changing. Top tier? Yes. #2 or #3? Hyperbole. Let's have realistic expectations of the King You refer to the Super Tournament to back up MMA but seem to leave out that MarineKing managed to get to the ro4? Since then he has done better than MMA. All we saw from Ryung was TvT, which I mentioned in my post. Please, if you refer to MLG/Super Tournament dont disregard MarineKing's results in that time period. He won the FXOpen at around the same time.. and considering the qualify of opponents he faced in comparison with the quality of opponents MMA faced at MLG it's definitely worth bringing up. I said when he plays on top of his game he's still #2, #3. With that I mean his TvZ and TvP, not referring to the Marine only match vs Losira or the all-in vs Huk. I mean BoX's, which every good player should be judged on. By the way, MarineKing has not fallen to Code A twice either. This is the first time.
In what?
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On July 28 2011 09:23 ItsMeDomLee wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 09:21 noddy wrote:On July 28 2011 09:07 Airship wrote:
It's not factual. MVP has not fallen to code A twice. Ryung is a sick good player who slumped recently due to injury, but as we saw recently he can still dispense swift and stunning ownage. MMA was in the GSL super tournament final and won MLG Colombus a very short time ago, calling him bad would be hilarious folly. Even sick monsters like DRG can exist outside of GSL due to the nature of the competition. Sc is very overrated, I'll give you that. With EG signing Puma, there is basically zero chance of NASL being the last we've heard of him.
I want to call MKP one of the top Terrans right now, but even among the Prime team he has fallen behind Optimus. There seems to be a weird new crest in the talent trend where players like Byun are rapidly rising. The seas are changing. Top tier? Yes. #2 or #3? Hyperbole. Let's have realistic expectations of the King You refer to the Super Tournament to back up MMA but seem to leave out that MarineKing managed to get to the ro4? Since then he has done better than MMA. All we saw from Ryung was TvT, which I mentioned in my post. Please, if you refer to MLG/Super Tournament dont disregard MarineKing's results in that time period. He won the FXOpen at around the same time.. and considering the qualify of opponents he faced in comparison with the quality of opponents MMA faced at MLG it's definitely worth bringing up. I said when he plays on top of his game he's still #2, #3. With that I mean his TvZ and TvP, not referring to the Marine only match vs Losira or the all-in vs Huk. I mean BoX's, which every good player should be judged on. By the way, MarineKing has not fallen to Code A twice either. This is the first time. In what?
Nasl qualifiers(MMA got knocked out) and he won the SK gaming trophy over quite a few good players. MMA on the other hand has only lost matches since the Super Tournament.
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illsick
United States1770 Posts
On July 28 2011 08:53 noddy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 08:44 grush57 wrote:On July 28 2011 03:13 noddy wrote:MVP has done just as bad, if not worse than MarineKing. Ryung is only good in TvT as you will see this Code S. MMA, lol? He's not even in GSL, doing awful in GSTL. Who the hell is JJaki? Scfou is doing bad as well by the way. I'm pretty sure Puma winning the NASL will be the last we hear of him. The only ones on that list doing better than MarineKing are Bomber, Nada and Top. He's still a top tier Terran, easily #2 or #3 on a good day. Can you please leave this fanclub now? You're obviously not a fan and I don't think anyone here is interested in arguing. We know MarineKing is in a slump, we also know he's still very good compared to others and he will get back on top in no time. Are you a dumbass?(Ignoring last paragraph) Elaborate? Perhaps you should read TeamLiquid's rules. Everything I said in my post is factual.
MVP beat MKP x2 in bo7 series and slumped to code A but got back to code S where as MKP slumped to code A as of now. MMA won the most recent MLG at columbus and how can you say he is doing awful in GSTL when he's been making a name for himself from the team league. He only played once this season where he lost to DRG. Not only that but he beat MKP really recently at the super tournament. MMA did drop out of code A but to the eventual code A champ.
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On July 28 2011 09:28 illsick wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 08:53 noddy wrote:On July 28 2011 08:44 grush57 wrote:On July 28 2011 03:13 noddy wrote:MVP has done just as bad, if not worse than MarineKing. Ryung is only good in TvT as you will see this Code S. MMA, lol? He's not even in GSL, doing awful in GSTL. Who the hell is JJaki? Scfou is doing bad as well by the way. I'm pretty sure Puma winning the NASL will be the last we hear of him. The only ones on that list doing better than MarineKing are Bomber, Nada and Top. He's still a top tier Terran, easily #2 or #3 on a good day. Can you please leave this fanclub now? You're obviously not a fan and I don't think anyone here is interested in arguing. We know MarineKing is in a slump, we also know he's still very good compared to others and he will get back on top in no time. Are you a dumbass?(Ignoring last paragraph) Elaborate? Perhaps you should read TeamLiquid's rules. Everything I said in my post is factual. MVP beat MKP x2 in bo7 series and slumped to code A but got back to code S where as MKP slumped to code A as of now. MMA won the most recent MLG at columbus and how can you say he is doing awful in GSTL when he's been making a name for himself from the team league. He only played once this season where he lost to DRG. Not only that but he beat MKP really recently at the super tournament. MMA did drop out of code A but to the eventual code A champ.
Have you even read any of the posts you've been quoting? Jesus christ. He was trying to say those Terrans are much better than MarineKing because of their recent results.. when they have been just as bad if not worse than MarineKing.
If you want to argue that's fine but please actually read before bringing up anything.
Results wise MarineKing is still easily a top tier Terran and better than most of the people he listed. But yes, he's in a slump as I said.
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On July 28 2011 09:28 illsick wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 08:53 noddy wrote:On July 28 2011 08:44 grush57 wrote:On July 28 2011 03:13 noddy wrote:MVP has done just as bad, if not worse than MarineKing. Ryung is only good in TvT as you will see this Code S. MMA, lol? He's not even in GSL, doing awful in GSTL. Who the hell is JJaki? Scfou is doing bad as well by the way. I'm pretty sure Puma winning the NASL will be the last we hear of him. The only ones on that list doing better than MarineKing are Bomber, Nada and Top. He's still a top tier Terran, easily #2 or #3 on a good day. Can you please leave this fanclub now? You're obviously not a fan and I don't think anyone here is interested in arguing. We know MarineKing is in a slump, we also know he's still very good compared to others and he will get back on top in no time. Are you a dumbass?(Ignoring last paragraph) Elaborate? Perhaps you should read TeamLiquid's rules. Everything I said in my post is factual. MVP beat MKP x2 in bo7 series and slumped to code A but got back to code S where as MKP slumped to code A as of now. MMA won the most recent MLG at columbus and how can you say he is doing awful in GSTL when he's been making a name for himself from the team league. He only played once this season where he lost to DRG. Not only that but he beat MKP really recently at the super tournament. MMA did drop out of code A but to the eventual code A champ.
Dude just give up, you can't come in a fanclub and convince them their player is not as good as they think.
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illsick
United States1770 Posts
On July 28 2011 09:30 noddy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 09:28 illsick wrote:On July 28 2011 08:53 noddy wrote:On July 28 2011 08:44 grush57 wrote:On July 28 2011 03:13 noddy wrote:MVP has done just as bad, if not worse than MarineKing. Ryung is only good in TvT as you will see this Code S. MMA, lol? He's not even in GSL, doing awful in GSTL. Who the hell is JJaki? Scfou is doing bad as well by the way. I'm pretty sure Puma winning the NASL will be the last we hear of him. The only ones on that list doing better than MarineKing are Bomber, Nada and Top. He's still a top tier Terran, easily #2 or #3 on a good day. Can you please leave this fanclub now? You're obviously not a fan and I don't think anyone here is interested in arguing. We know MarineKing is in a slump, we also know he's still very good compared to others and he will get back on top in no time. Are you a dumbass?(Ignoring last paragraph) Elaborate? Perhaps you should read TeamLiquid's rules. Everything I said in my post is factual. MVP beat MKP x2 in bo7 series and slumped to code A but got back to code S where as MKP slumped to code A as of now. MMA won the most recent MLG at columbus and how can you say he is doing awful in GSTL when he's been making a name for himself from the team league. He only played once this season where he lost to DRG. Not only that but he beat MKP really recently at the super tournament. MMA did drop out of code A but to the eventual code A champ. Have you even read any of the posts you've been quoting? Jesus christ. He was trying to say those Terrans are much better than MarineKing because of their recent results.. when they have been just as bad if not worse than MarineKing. If you want to argue that's fine but please actually read before bringing up anything. Results wise MarineKing is still easily a top tier Terran and better than most of the people he listed. But yes, he's in a slump as I said.
I did read, how is MVP not better than MKP? I just listed the reasons why
And recently, MMA beat MKP. Then you say MMA is doing awful in the GSTL when he just played one game against DRG; not justifiable as doing awful especially when in comparison to MKP in the GSTL (on my fantasy team too)
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On July 28 2011 09:34 illsick wrote:Show nested quote +On July 28 2011 09:30 noddy wrote:On July 28 2011 09:28 illsick wrote:On July 28 2011 08:53 noddy wrote:On July 28 2011 08:44 grush57 wrote:On July 28 2011 03:13 noddy wrote:MVP has done just as bad, if not worse than MarineKing. Ryung is only good in TvT as you will see this Code S. MMA, lol? He's not even in GSL, doing awful in GSTL. Who the hell is JJaki? Scfou is doing bad as well by the way. I'm pretty sure Puma winning the NASL will be the last we hear of him. The only ones on that list doing better than MarineKing are Bomber, Nada and Top. He's still a top tier Terran, easily #2 or #3 on a good day. Can you please leave this fanclub now? You're obviously not a fan and I don't think anyone here is interested in arguing. We know MarineKing is in a slump, we also know he's still very good compared to others and he will get back on top in no time. Are you a dumbass?(Ignoring last paragraph) Elaborate? Perhaps you should read TeamLiquid's rules. Everything I said in my post is factual. MVP beat MKP x2 in bo7 series and slumped to code A but got back to code S where as MKP slumped to code A as of now. MMA won the most recent MLG at columbus and how can you say he is doing awful in GSTL when he's been making a name for himself from the team league. He only played once this season where he lost to DRG. Not only that but he beat MKP really recently at the super tournament. MMA did drop out of code A but to the eventual code A champ. Have you even read any of the posts you've been quoting? Jesus christ. He was trying to say those Terrans are much better than MarineKing because of their recent results.. when they have been just as bad if not worse than MarineKing. If you want to argue that's fine but please actually read before bringing up anything. Results wise MarineKing is still easily a top tier Terran and better than most of the people he listed. But yes, he's in a slump as I said. I did read, how is MVP not better than MKP? I just listed the reasons why And recently, MMA beat MKP. Then you say MMA is doing awful in the GSTL when he just played one game against DRG; not justifiable as doing awful especially when in comparison to MKP in the GSTL (on my fantasy team too)
I said he's doing bad in GSL and GSTL. He is in Code B. If MarineKing is not good because he fell down to Code A, someone who fell down to Code B is definitely not good.
MVP when he beat MarineKing was in a period of being unbeatable. No one could stop him. Not Nestea, not MarineKing.
He has fallen a long time ago.
Honestly I'm not interested in filling this fanclub with arguments. Mvp is my second favourite Terran but he has been doing much worse than MarineKing has. I don't think it's fair to call people better than MarineKing and say he's not a top tier Terran and then list their results when MarineKing's results are better in that time period.
But I'll be happy when all of you get to shut up because MarineKing will demolish everyone in Code A since it's not a dumb bo1 format.
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illsick
United States1770 Posts
On July 28 2011 09:35 noddy wrote:
But I'll be happy when all of you get to shut up because MarineKing will demolish everyone in Code A since it's not a dumb bo1 format.
relax man
I hope he does do well in code A and get back to code S; just pointing out that you are in denial of MKP falling behind a lot of korean terrans. He's my favorite terran but recently it just makes me a bit mad he's playing so bad lately. He needs to step it up because this coming season of code A looks to be very stacked.
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While I agree, he could just as easily get drawn against dongraegu in the first round of code A and be eliminated. Code A is seriously intense, I really hate how easy it is for the cream to fall from the top
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Watching MarineKing's current play is so depressing because I know he's so much better than the results that he posts. He loves to play his own game too much. He opens a little gimmicky to try and secure an advantage. If he doesn't manage to, he most likely fell behind. After this happens, MarineKing goes into MKP-mode and overrelies on his micro to come back. There's a time and place for his creative play, but not every game.
He has the creativity to become a great player. The control that he displays is something to not be taken lightly. I just wish the risks that he takes weren't so big. I love to watch all of MarineKing's plays because he shows so much creativity and entertaining play.
Please come back from Code A, MarineKing!
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France13009 Posts
To those who worries for his code A games : remember MKP vs Squirtle Or Ace interview?
He practiced over 200 games for this one match against a code B player  .
He won't underestimate anyone and I'm sorry for those who will have to play him in ro32/ro16 that they won't go to up&down.
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Has Marineking ever been asked why he cheeses so much on ladder? From what I have seen every game he plays on ladder is just cheese. WHYYYY? I mean it is only ladder practice but still, don't completely waste your time. =(
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France13009 Posts
On July 29 2011 03:28 Hall0wed wrote:
Has Marineking ever been asked why he cheeses so much on ladder? From what I have seen every game he plays on ladder is just cheese. WHYYYY? I mean it is only ladder practice but still, don't completely waste your time. =(
Because ladder maps are bad and it's pointless to practice "macro" games on maps that you won't play on for GSL?
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On July 29 2011 04:08 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On July 29 2011 03:28 Hall0wed wrote:
Has Marineking ever been asked why he cheeses so much on ladder? From what I have seen every game he plays on ladder is just cheese. WHYYYY? I mean it is only ladder practice but still, don't completely waste your time. =( Because ladder maps are bad and it's pointless to practice "macro" games on maps that you won't play on for GSL?
PRoblem is...practicing ur mechanics, especially when your in a slump is more important than trying to pick the correct map out of a random pool.
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I'm sure he practices his mechanics in custom games
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Why do stubborn people think they can convince other stubborn people their opinion is 'better'? Surely they should understand their own kind...
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