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On February 01 2012 18:16 Sub40APM wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 12:51 MrDudeMan wrote:On February 01 2012 11:49 ThePlayer33 wrote:
i actually see idra already improving from these gsl games... trust me he's even worst before, just got the wrong read pn his opponent. Its weird because while most foreigners seem to be judged on a foreigner scale, idra seems to be judged on a korean scale. IdrA loses first round of code A and he automatically sucks, yet when naniwa/thorzain were losing during the MLG invite phase everyone accepted it fine. More than ok bro, look at some of the threads "Naniwa is the foreigners only hope" "Naniwa only one who can beat Koreans" etc. etl. The delusion of European fans can be sometimes just staggering.
I think top foreigners in general have more pressure and more expectations on them because foreign fans in general (EU and NA both) really want to see a foreigner who can take it to the Koreans and consistently compete with them. When people see Naniwa and IdrA compete and win against top Koreans at MLG's, it puts more pressure on them because suddenly the hopes of the foreign communities are resting with these players. That's why when these players lose and get knocked out of Code A which is not even the top tier of GSL, it is a massive disappointment.
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On February 01 2012 21:40 Sated wrote:Show nested quote +On February 01 2012 21:31 msjakofsky wrote:On February 01 2012 19:15 purpose wrote:On February 01 2012 18:16 Sub40APM wrote:On February 01 2012 12:51 MrDudeMan wrote:On February 01 2012 11:49 ThePlayer33 wrote:
i actually see idra already improving from these gsl games... trust me he's even worst before, just got the wrong read pn his opponent. Its weird because while most foreigners seem to be judged on a foreigner scale, idra seems to be judged on a korean scale. IdrA loses first round of code A and he automatically sucks, yet when naniwa/thorzain were losing during the MLG invite phase everyone accepted it fine. More than ok bro, look at some of the threads "Naniwa is the foreigners only hope" "Naniwa only one who can beat Koreans" etc. etl. The delusion of European fans can be sometimes just staggering. Tbh though, the Idra fans is exactly the same as Naniwa fans, or the fans that say Stephano is the only foreign hope and that he would win Code S if he only went to korea and practiced.... and so on and so on. As for the video posted above. Is that really something for the OP? To me that video is more of a troll since it just show off to much bad stuff about Idra. But I guess if people think that is a good thing then it should be in the OP so. you can't generalize "ppl accepted it fine" "ppl are delusional" etc, too many stupid posters are around. even if you read such things 10 times that was only 10 people out of thousands. the other thing is that Thorzain and Stephano have much better manners than Idra, so it's only natural people will kick him when he's down (Thorzain is probably the nicest guy among all the pro gamers, i've never seen anyone bashing him. Stephano can seem bm at times but nowhere near idra). and the third thing is that Thorzain beat 8 koreans in a row a few weeks earlier, even if it wasn't the very top of korea. Stephano is very succesful recently as well. and Idra isn't. so considering all these your comparison is way off. you're sad that idra isn't doing well, i get that, but that has nothing to do with Thorzain or Stephano. Stephano forfeited a tournament after delaying it for nearly an hour because it was too late (Stephano was the one who made it late, irony much?) and he was tired - clearly a manner machine.
not sure if that's your best argument in an idra vs stephano debate, which wasn't intended anyway. stephano was playing for like 12 hours at that time and he sacrificed his own potential money. on the other hand, when idra quit the tournament after one loss from nerchio...
Stephano might be not perfectly mannered but he is an angel compared to idra.
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He played for so long because HE decided to. He signed up for 2 different things and paid for that.
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If you're the token white player in the GSL, on which all the foreign hope rests, then it can actually negatively affect your performance. I think they've done studies for "token women" in multinationals and they found that while such women could benefit from the extra attention, they would also be depersonalized and would be seen as somehow a representative of women in general, while any any men in that company was just a person. So while I suppose Idra is used to it by now, maybe there is extra pressure for him that can make him play worse. I also recall a study where minorities in universities seemed to study extra hard to combat the negative perception of their minority, but that turned out counter-productive, as they would focus too much on rote memorization skills, not on more applied knowledge, because the latter seemed less valuable for getting the best grades. So in Idra's case that would be feeling pressured to do a very conservative build and practice only that, so that at least people can say he tried his hardest or so?
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if even MVP drops down to code A, then idra can have a bad season too, especially after just coming back to Korea.
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On February 01 2012 22:39 Incze wrote:
He played for so long because HE decided to. He signed up for 2 different things and paid for that.
and your point is? viewers didn't get a few terrible games, and he sacrificed a lot of money for himself. he paid the price for it.
Idra decided to leave the tournament after he got beaten in the 1st game by nerchio. that's why it wasn't clever to bring the stephano thing up.
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Anyone else that's watching Idra's stream scared by Korean PvZ? It looks ridiculously strong O_O gonna need a Stephano-esque revolution because it doesn't seem like 3base roach into roach/infestor is gonna cut it anymore =/
And jesus christ forcefield is a good spell. I wonder what happens in 6months when protoss get even better at using it lol
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As a protoss player, i must say times are good. Our metagame holds the advantage for once!
as an idrA fan, X_X. I hope he doesnt get discouraged
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On February 01 2012 23:45 Jehct wrote:
Anyone else that's watching Idra's stream scared by Korean PvZ? It looks ridiculously strong O_O gonna need a Stephano-esque revolution because it doesn't seem like 3base roach into roach/infestor is gonna cut it anymore =/
And jesus christ forcefield is a good spell. I wonder what happens in 6months when protoss get even better at using it lol
Ya actually FF is so sick for isolation of armies or expansions (ramps)
I play terran, but I am better with protoss against zerg.
I really hope that IdrA improves quickly in Korea, in time for the MLG Winter Arena
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Idra said at the end of his stream tonight he will be streaming more often now. So at least some good news. He has so many viewers too, I bet he makes more money streaming than he would if he made it deep into GSL
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Idra vs Stephano match lol someone should set it up.
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I wonder if participating in the GSL was too much stress for him and falling out of it made it easier to just relax and pratice without worries.
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On February 02 2012 00:27 Jinsho wrote:
I wonder if participating in the GSL was too much stress for him and falling out of it made it easier to just relax and pratice without worries.
Perhaps, it must be very stressful when there is a huge group of people wanting you to succeed as well as a huge group of people wanting you to fail. Im glad to hear he is streaming more though.
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Didn't he also say that he went there mainly for the practice and that GSL was just a bonus?
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This Idra vs Thorzain vs Stephano vs foreigners discussion is ridiculous..
As for Idra's performance... well I was watching his stream and thinking about how Korean metagame vs tournament settings. I also took into account some Koreans tweet about Idra's practice not being practical (I can't remember who tweeted that unfortunately, no disrespect obviously) and also how Idra said that you can't just "outplay" your opponents in Korea like you do in the foreigner scene. I remember Idra saying that a lot of players on the NA ladder are just doing whatever the fuck they want and aren't playing the game properly (which makes them hard to predict).
My point? Idra's been in Korea for like one or two months now. It's hard to catch up on the metagame. Idra himself also said that GSL is especially about preparation. Preparation means studying your opponent and it also means mind games. It means knowing the ins and outs of what's popular and what could be a threat to X and what counters Y and how to play against Z and should does alpha player prefer beta style or gamma all ins. Basically Idra needs to catch up on Korean metagame really badly and in one or two months it's really hard to do such a thing.
My 2 cents. I might be off on a few details but I hope I got the fundamental part of my thought across. ^^
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On February 02 2012 01:09 Incognoto wrote:
This Idra vs Thorzain vs Stephano vs foreigners discussion is ridiculous..
Exactly. Especially in a fan club thread. So please everyone stop it and discuss this elsewhere if you must.
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Coca tweeted that I think.
I wonder if IdrA should just stay in Korea full-time and only come to MLG/DH. Cause right now JYP, HuK, Puma are in Korea anyways, and in the US house there's only iNcontroL and DeMusliM, and obv Korea is the best practice environment.
But I guess that depends on whether he changed his mind about being in Korea now that he actually has teammates and is in a practice house.
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Idra lost to illusion? When was it played and how was the game?
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idra is weak stephano is the boss
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