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On January 02 2012 15:04 vthree wrote:lol, so when Koreans play aggressive, it is cheese. If they play macro and defensive, they are 'gay'?
I think it is said with reference to how easily the map is split in half. Obviously, terrans are not to blame for playing a map in the way that gives them the highest odds of winning. From a zerg perspective, however, it's extremely frustrating knowing that much of the map terrain is working against you.
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On January 02 2012 18:02 buldermar wrote:
You're making allegations again.
Firstly, I'm not a part of the Idra fanclub. However, I do think he's a good player, so I guess I'm guilty of that.
My points were not excuses meant to deflect some sort of undoubtable conclusion. Rather, I showed that you have a lot of flaws in your statements that could be questioned. For instance, a sentence like "instead of admitting he got manhandled" isn't actually anything but an allegation. You provide no proof of such. Rather, you consider the statement itself sufficient. However, I don't share that point of view.
check the end of the vod. the "idra left the game" "you are victorious part".
You somehow seem to turn the lack of ghosts and vikings into an argument in Polts favor? I'm not the one arguing one player is significantly better than the other - YOU, however, does exactly that. As such, per definition, you are the fanboy making extreme and absurd conclusions.
i didn't say anything like polt is much better (he actually is imo, but i didn't say it;) )- but he is definitely better in this game. try to counter brood lords without the proper counters, you'll see that you need to be good to do so. your counterargument is implying that to do such a thing is not in the player's favor, lol. that's like in his favor the most, that he countered without the proper counter.
Stating that Idra would leave a game being 80 supply behind is perhaps true but that's not comparable at all. Zerg dynamics are much unlike those of terran. Being behind 80 supply with zerg is a much bigger disadvantage in almost every situation.
yeah we all know that. it's a significant disadvantage. again you're implying something discrediting to polt, like 80 supply deficit is not that bad for terran (one that just had all his rax destroyed).
I guess your final comment sums it up. In your eyes, this is not complicated. This is just reflecting some preset state of mind. Idra doesn't try hard, Polt does. Idra judges people, Polt doesn't. From that you jump to the conclusion that Polt>Idra.
he got outplayed badly in this game, so at least in this game polt>idra
I am actually judging this as objectively as I can, taking into consideration that you're making absurd claims about one player being manhandled, one player having a better mindset, one player have stronger controls... without providing me with any proof hereof. I merely wanted to question this, but your prejudice is preventing you from see it because this debate is taking place in the Idra fanclub.
lol you're not objective. and those statements couldn't be more far away from absurd. also i'm not really motivated to prove stuff to a random idra fan who thinks he played like a genius when he got beaten after a very favored situation. you keep asking for proof when all the proof is in the vod...
anyways, this seems pointless. i recognize if a player i like gets outplayed, you don't. i'm not a fan of any player btw
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Discussing a random ladder game is fricking pointless. How many progamers actually utilizez it for skill measurement? None. The reason idra didnt switch to mutas might be because he was practicing something else, like durp ultras or some shit, it makes no differance, 'cos its a fricking ladder game.
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someone should get an interview of idra starting gsl jan with nestea and mvp in his group ~_~
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I think he'll just say he's happy that he gets to start off with such a great group. It will be hard and all that, but why go to the best tournament if you don't want to hit the best players?
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why are you discussing a ladder game, its a ladder game get over it -.-'
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On January 02 2012 19:00 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 18:26 GiMMiK wrote:
Grobyc and T.O.P- Why do you think they stopped caring about posting so much? I'm really quite curious. Is it the new members? The new atmosphere? people are obnoxious imbeciles
On January 02 2012 19:36 IdrA wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 19:29 bgx wrote:
Nani/Idra dont care that much about derailing the thread, they are trollers after all, but what Top says is kinda more important that many top figures, including even Idra were more inclined to help community in strategy forums etc, but now its rare or non-existant. Seems like nowadays creating an image seems more important. no it actually is that people are imbeciles. any time a known player posts they risk someone picking an argument with them for the hell of it, or just having some random person go "lolol you got raped by x last week how can you post" or "why are you posting instead of practicing you're terrible"
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=299814¤tpage=2#22
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=299814¤tpage=2#35
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On January 02 2012 18:58 Replice wrote:
Discussing a random ladder game is fricking pointless. How many progamers actually utilizez it for skill measurement? None. The reason idra didnt switch to mutas might be because he was practicing something else, like durp ultras or some shit, it makes no differance, 'cos its a fricking ladder game.
but if idra crushed polt on ladder you'd happily jump all over that and say how he crushed him, you wouldnt say "oh, it was just a ladder game, I doubt polt cared, he was probably trying something" ladder becomes important when idra wins but when he loses it isn't, that seems like your mentality
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Do people not read the huge note at the top this is the IdrA fan club, not the "diss IdrA" thread.. if you're here to attack/diss IdrA gtfo.
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On January 02 2012 20:11 mememolly wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 18:58 Replice wrote:
Discussing a random ladder game is fricking pointless. How many progamers actually utilizez it for skill measurement? None. The reason idra didnt switch to mutas might be because he was practicing something else, like durp ultras or some shit, it makes no differance, 'cos its a fricking ladder game. but if idra crushed polt on ladder you'd happily jump all over that and say how he crushed him, you wouldnt say "oh, it was just a ladder game, I doubt polt cared, he was probably trying something" ladder becomes important when idra wins but when he loses it isn't, that seems like your mentality
I dont know where you get all this info on me from, but i can tell you that i dont read into ladder games unless its a briliant performance by both players.
Also when did this thread become a place for personal attacks instead of what it actually is?
So please stop derailing.
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On January 02 2012 20:11 mememolly wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 18:58 Replice wrote:
Discussing a random ladder game is fricking pointless. How many progamers actually utilizez it for skill measurement? None. The reason idra didnt switch to mutas might be because he was practicing something else, like durp ultras or some shit, it makes no differance, 'cos its a fricking ladder game. but if idra crushed polt on ladder you'd happily jump all over that and say how he crushed him, you wouldnt say "oh, it was just a ladder game, I doubt polt cared, he was probably trying something" ladder becomes important when idra wins but when he loses it isn't, that seems like your mentality
look, if idrA is doing well on ladder ofcourse we will praise him for it, thats what we do as fans, and if he is doing bad, usually we have a friednly discussion about the game he lost, or just drop it and hope he will learn from his mistakes.
coming here and say that he got "Outplayed" among the defensive idrA fans will just stimulate an endless debate of opinions that will make idrA and us look bad T_T
thats why i said a page ago that we should drop this pointsless discussion since nothing good will come out of it.
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On January 02 2012 20:11 mememolly wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 18:58 Replice wrote:
Discussing a random ladder game is fricking pointless. How many progamers actually utilizez it for skill measurement? None. The reason idra didnt switch to mutas might be because he was practicing something else, like durp ultras or some shit, it makes no differance, 'cos its a fricking ladder game. but if idra crushed polt on ladder you'd happily jump all over that and say how he crushed him, you wouldnt say "oh, it was just a ladder game, I doubt polt cared, he was probably trying something" ladder becomes important when idra wins but when he loses it isn't, that seems like your mentality
I've rarely seen people discuss idra's ladder games , only good ones like the one from earlier this year idra vs mvp long macro game on shakuras plateau and that's only because MVP was such a beast macro terran around that time.
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Gl in GSL IdrA, I have faith in your ZvT! Just make sure to get those anti- cheese walls of yours up!!
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Guys. guys. GUYS. GSL Code S coming up soooooooooooooooooooooooon.
I´m pumped, are you?
Here´s to idra killing mvp and nestea and dancing on their corpses!
Release the Gracken!!
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On January 02 2012 20:11 mememolly wrote:Show nested quote +On January 02 2012 18:58 Replice wrote:
Discussing a random ladder game is fricking pointless. How many progamers actually utilizez it for skill measurement? None. The reason idra didnt switch to mutas might be because he was practicing something else, like durp ultras or some shit, it makes no differance, 'cos its a fricking ladder game. but if idra crushed polt on ladder you'd happily jump all over that and say how he crushed him, you wouldnt say "oh, it was just a ladder game, I doubt polt cared, he was probably trying something" ladder becomes important when idra wins but when he loses it isn't, that seems like your mentality
We wouldn't be talking about it over this many pages, and it is more similar to us just appreciating the good games than shitting on Polt. It is the IdrA fanclub; we should be happy when he wins even if it doesn't matter. But discussing an insignificant loss to this extent is pointless and annoying.
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I won't be able to watch the games, FML. Anyway Idra's good enough to get out of the group. Won't be easy but he's got a shot. So let's hope he pulls through! :D
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What time does IdrA play in code S?
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On January 02 2012 22:22 zodde wrote:
What time does IdrA play in code S?
11th Jan. GSL Code S Ro 32 Group C 18:10 KST
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$50 ESPORTS that when IdrA beats MVP and NesTea 2-0 he won't smile.
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