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ThaZenith
Canada3116 Posts
On January 01 2012 16:44 lowkontrast wrote: I know someone who tore his scrotum because of an absolutely incorrect form on deadlifts. Lol, why would you say that? | ||
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LingBlingMuta
United States382 Posts
Read the last 2 pages, its a discussion within a discussion | ||
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LingBlingMuta
United States382 Posts
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damod
1106 Posts
On January 01 2012 21:44 LingBlingMuta wrote: Glad to know Polt is beating up on Stephano as well. That makes this Idra fanboi feel better :-) if stephano is doing better then idrA, we should not necessarily feel bad about it :/ idrA, as competitive as he is, will mark Stephano as a target he needs to surpass. imo its good for him to have targets because it will give him bigger motivations to get better  | ||
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SpaceFighting
New Zealand690 Posts
On January 01 2012 22:12 damod wrote: if stephano is doing better then idrA, we should not necessarily feel bad about it :/ idrA, as competitive as he is, will mark Stephano as a target he needs to surpass. imo its good for him to have targets because it will give him bigger motivations to get better haha its ur birthday? on new years day? awesome xD anyway yeah.. having a motivation like that is something really good... but the IdrA we know will just say "he's awful, im much more better" LOL... ily idra xD | ||
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LingBlingMuta
United States382 Posts
On January 01 2012 22:12 damod wrote: if stephano is doing better then idrA, we should not necessarily feel bad about it :/ idrA, as competitive as he is, will mark Stephano as a target he needs to surpass. imo its good for him to have targets because it will give him bigger motivations to get better I honestly don't think Idra thinks he (stephano) is better than he is. The only motivation Idra needed if any, was his GSL group. Idra wants to be the best he can be, and this gives him a chance to prove he is a world class zerg. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On January 01 2012 16:20 LingBlingMuta wrote: Just watched the Polt v Idra game. My god Idra just got outplayed. He was up 80 fucking supply and just sat back. T.T http://www.own3d.tv/TSLPolt#/watch/364105 Outplayed? Shakuras Plateau is Terran favored map and it's really hard to dislodge a Terran on a map like that, especially when they play the "gay" defensive style like in the game. Idra didn't get outplayed; Idra didn't outplay Polt hard enough to win the game, because that's Shakuras Plateau. There's a difference. ^^ And I kind of agree with Idra in that Polt isn't that great a player. Not saying he's BAD, but compared to other Koreans he's really nothing special and he didn't play that well in the game in that VOD. | ||
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damod
1106 Posts
On January 01 2012 23:36 Incognoto wrote: Outplayed? Shakuras Plateau is Terran favored map and it's really hard to dislodge a Terran on a map like that, especially when they play the "gay" defensive style like in the game. Idra didn't get outplayed; Idra didn't outplay Polt hard enough to win the game, because that's Shakuras Plateau. There's a difference. ^^ And I kind of agree with Idra in that Polt isn't that great a player. Not saying he's BAD, but compared to other Koreans he's really nothing special and he didn't play that well in the game in that VOD. nah, no need to say such things ^^ polt is a very good player and he will abuse every mistake his opponent will make! i guess idrA's comment was because of frustration, cant blame him though. basically, with 80 supply ahead it was idrA's game to lose, but even though he lost it dosnt have to be a bad thing! i am glad that he lost that game on ladder, because now he can learn from any silly mistakes he made in that game so those mistakes will not happen in tourny's + Show Spoiler + On January 01 2012 22:39 SpaceFighting wrote: On January 01 2012 22:12 damod wrote: if stephano is doing better then idrA, we should not necessarily feel bad about it :/ idrA, as competitive as he is, will mark Stephano as a target he needs to surpass. imo its good for him to have targets because it will give him bigger motivations to get better haha its ur birthday? on new years day? awesome xD anyway yeah.. having a motivation like that is something really good... but the IdrA we know will just say "he's awful, im much more better" LOL... ily idra xD thx :D + Show Spoiler + On January 01 2012 22:42 LingBlingMuta wrote: On January 01 2012 22:12 damod wrote: if stephano is doing better then idrA, we should not necessarily feel bad about it :/ idrA, as competitive as he is, will mark Stephano as a target he needs to surpass. imo its good for him to have targets because it will give him bigger motivations to get better I honestly don't think Idra thinks he (stephano) is better than he is. The only motivation Idra needed if any, was his GSL group. Idra wants to be the best he can be, and this gives him a chance to prove he is a world class zerg. thats also a good point. | ||
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LingBlingMuta
United States382 Posts
On January 01 2012 23:36 Incognoto wrote: Outplayed? Shakuras Plateau is Terran favored map and it's really hard to dislodge a Terran on a map like that, especially when they play the "gay" defensive style like in the game. Idra didn't get outplayed; Idra didn't outplay Polt hard enough to win the game, because that's Shakuras Plateau. There's a difference. ^^ And I kind of agree with Idra in that Polt isn't that great a player. Not saying he's BAD, but compared to other Koreans he's really nothing special and he didn't play that well in the game in that VOD. Yes that map is very Terran favored in the late game. The fact still stands that Polt multi dropped and killed Idra's late game economy. Idra didnt even send lings with his ultras and simply got outplayed. Im as biased as they come when it comes to Idra, and you sir need to open your eyes. | ||
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ThePlayer33
Australia2378 Posts
On January 01 2012 23:59 LingBlingMuta wrote: Yes that map is very Terran favored in the late game. The fact still stands that Polt multi dropped and killed Idra's late game economy. Idra didnt even send lings with his ultras and simply got outplayed. Im as biased as they come when it comes to Idra, and you sir need to open your eyes. I'm pretty sure IdrA is very capable with dealing with drops etc., according to the information i read above, he was most likely in a bad mood or is tired or something. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
On January 01 2012 23:59 LingBlingMuta wrote: Yes that map is very Terran favored in the late game. The fact still stands that Polt multi dropped and killed Idra's late game economy. Idra didnt even send lings with his ultras and simply got outplayed. Im as biased as they come when it comes to Idra, and you sir need to open your eyes. You said yourself it's Terran favored late game. So for the Z to win he needs to outplay his T opponent, whereas the T opponent doesn't need to play as "well". Hence me saying that Idra didn't outplay Polt hard enough to win the game. The way I saw it, Idra trashed Polt for at least the first half of the game and then didn't put the nail in the coffin, partly thanks to the map. Then Polt started during drops and killing bases and Idra didn't react well enough, probably (though mostly speculation on my part here) Idra was annoyed at how hard it is to kill a Terran on Shakuras. I guess he sort of meh'd it and stopped playing optimally (so yeah at that point he got "outplayed"). Feel free to disagree, either way I don't think either of us have a fine enough understanding of the game and/or Idra's mentality to be completely wrong or right on this one. ^^ | ||
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LingBlingMuta
United States382 Posts
On January 02 2012 00:16 Incognoto wrote: You said yourself it's Terran favored late game. So for the Z to win he needs to outplay his T opponent, whereas the T opponent doesn't need to play as "well". Hence me saying that Idra didn't outplay Polt hard enough to win the game. The way I saw it, Idra trashed Polt for at least the first half of the game and then didn't put the nail in the coffin, partly thanks to the map. Then Polt started during drops and killing bases and Idra didn't react well enough, probably (though mostly speculation on my part here) Idra was annoyed at how hard it is to kill a Terran on Shakuras. I guess he sort of meh'd it and stopped playing optimally (so yeah at that point he got "outplayed"). Feel free to disagree, either way I don't think either of us have a fine enough understanding of the game and/or Idra's mentality to be completely wrong or right on this one. ^^ I agree for the most part. Shakuras isnt so heavy Terran favored that its auto-lose if you don't kill them by a certain point. Once you (as zerg) mine out 4 bases and your only eco is the 2 middle bases its pretty much GG if your even with a Terran. BUT Idra was up 80 supply and still had a full base going at his 4th. If Idra goes back to ling/bling/muta (ya read the name) after his brood/infestor army got wiped out he wins. Or if he instantly remaxed with a few ultras / lings, which Im not sure because I dont even know if he had the ultra cavern watching from Polts POV. He basically did HUGE dmg with his brood/infestors and then proceeded to wait and remax on another brood/infestor mix without already having the majority of the gas banked. This allowed Polt to remacro, re build ALL of his production and take another 2 bases. Idra made very poor choices and it cost him the game. On January 02 2012 00:00 ThePlayer33 wrote: I'm pretty sure IdrA is very capable with dealing with drops etc., according to the information i read above, he was most likely in a bad mood or is tired or something. No that is no excuse. You can't just jump to that assumption. I understand being a huge fan of someone/something and supporting them no matter what, but making ignorant comments like this is just that, ignorant. | ||
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obsKura
Ireland1061 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/YGUXD.png) I'll leave this here :o | ||
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damod
1106 Posts
nearly died from Laughing xD | ||
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
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tredogz
Canada170 Posts
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VashTS
United States1675 Posts
On January 01 2012 07:42 Shikyo wrote: Well you see I'd love to see Idra beat MVP but it's MVP and I rate his TvZ the best in the world... in fact, I rate his XvZ the best in the world. Even with the crazy practice, well, you know, Slayers team has other Zergs too and I wouldn't pick them to beat MVP either. MVP practices vs Nestea regularly etc. I also agree that Idras best bet is to beat Lucky and Nestea, I guess he MIGHT be able to take a game off MVP but two? That's really unlikely in my opinion though I'd be delighted if that happened. Well, he surprisingly beat Bomber when he was considered one of, if not THE, best Terran(s), so I wouldn't be surprised if he beat MVP, or at least made him work for it. | ||
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Qaatar
1409 Posts
On January 02 2012 04:13 VashTS wrote: Well, he surprisingly beat Bomber when he was considered one of, if not THE, best Terran(s), so I wouldn't be surprised if he beat MVP, or at least made him work for it. The Bomber that he beat was a shadow of his former self. It was at the time when Bomber attended the Red Bull LAN around late September that he started showing noticeable signs of slippage, and that was a few weeks before Orlando. I'd be surprised if Idra could have beaten the Bomber of 5 months ago. Either way, the SC2 metagame moves so fast that a player's results from just two months ago probably aren't relevant to the player's form of today. So, who knows. Hell, if MVP beats Lucky, and NesTea beats Idra, they won't even play each other. Edit: well, that's not exactly true. I suppose MVP could lose to NesTea in the winner's match, but the chances of that happening are slim to none.  | ||
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Makura
United States317 Posts
On January 02 2012 07:53 Qaatar wrote: The Bomber that he beat was a shadow of his former self. It was at the time when Bomber attended the Red Bull LAN around late September that he started showing noticeable signs of slippage, and that was a few weeks before Orlando. I'd be surprised if Idra could have beaten the Bomber of 5 months ago. Either way, the SC2 metagame moves so fast that a player's results from just two months ago probably aren't relevant to the player's form of today. So, who knows. Hell, if MVP beats Lucky, and NesTea beats Idra, they won't even play each other. Edit: well, that's not exactly true. I suppose MVP could lose to NesTea in the winner's match, but the chances of that happening are slim to none. I dont know how you deterimined that he was slipping in the redbull lan, whitera had said in interview the he felt that only Bomber was using the time efficiently to practice and bomber has been showing results like having just beat Nestea in the IM vs Startale.... Also on stream bomber has been doing fantastic (although I've seen quite a few games vs idra and idra seems to be taking majority, probably cause bomber plays relatively straight up macro) | ||
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Denzil
United Kingdom4193 Posts
On January 02 2012 07:53 Qaatar wrote: The Bomber that he beat was a shadow of his former self. It was at the time when Bomber attended the Red Bull LAN around late September that he started showing noticeable signs of slippage, and that was a few weeks before Orlando. I'd be surprised if Idra could have beaten the Bomber of 5 months ago. Either way, the SC2 metagame moves so fast that a player's results from just two months ago probably aren't relevant to the player's form of today. So, who knows. Hell, if MVP beats Lucky, and NesTea beats Idra, they won't even play each other. Edit: well, that's not exactly true. I suppose MVP could lose to NesTea in the winner's match, but the chances of that happening are slim to none. Bomber was slumping in there, but I don't know how you can make the conclusion of "a shadow of his former self" Bomber macro'd like a beast and pushed repeatedly he tried to drop and so on. I'm not sure what an inform Bomber would of done differently | ||
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