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Karalius
Profile Joined January 2008
Lithuania271 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-23 15:46:44
December 23 2011 15:45 GMT
#31781
On December 24 2011 00:06 Cosmology wrote:
I love IdrA so much but it's weird seeing how many pros in the LoL community get 10k viewers easy and 20k.

This guy, hotshotGG, gets around 15k viewers on a daily basis....others usually always get 5k+, I hate how this mediocre game is trying legitimize itself as an eSport by popularity.


you are kidding right?
http://www.google.com/trends?q=league of legends, starcraft 2&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0

please, league of legends is probably the most popular and most earning game in the world right now.
I mean what kind of an idiot you must be to write what you just wrote Cosmology?
Loki57
Profile Joined February 2011
United States292 Posts
December 23 2011 16:05 GMT
#31782
On December 24 2011 00:45 tragedy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2011 00:06 Cosmology wrote:
I love IdrA so much but it's weird seeing how many pros in the LoL community get 10k viewers easy and 20k.

This guy, hotshotGG, gets around 15k viewers on a daily basis....others usually always get 5k+, I hate how this mediocre game is trying legitimize itself as an eSport by popularity.


you are kidding right?
http://www.google.com/trends?q=league of legends, starcraft 2&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0

please, league of legends is probably the most popular and most earning game in the world right now.
I mean what kind of an idiot you must be to write what you just wrote Cosmology?

WoW probably STILL is far and away the most earning game right now. And you're just saying what every LoL player ever has said even though popularity != quality.
"Dedication without talent is a daydream. Talent without dedication is a nightmare."
Karalius
Profile Joined January 2008
Lithuania271 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-23 16:13:57
December 23 2011 16:11 GMT
#31783
On December 24 2011 01:05 Loki57 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2011 00:45 tragedy wrote:
On December 24 2011 00:06 Cosmology wrote:
I love IdrA so much but it's weird seeing how many pros in the LoL community get 10k viewers easy and 20k.

This guy, hotshotGG, gets around 15k viewers on a daily basis....others usually always get 5k+, I hate how this mediocre game is trying legitimize itself as an eSport by popularity.


you are kidding right?
http://www.google.com/trends?q=league of legends, starcraft 2&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0

please, league of legends is probably the most popular and most earning game in the world right now.
I mean what kind of an idiot you must be to write what you just wrote Cosmology?

WoW probably STILL is far and away the most earning game right now. And you're just saying what every LoL player ever has said even though popularity != quality.


lol passed wow already in trends a while back. Also has higher active player base, 13+ mil, when wow not reaching that anymore. Even tournaments i think sundance said lol has higher viewer count than starcraft. Pretty good for a "mediocre" game.

Comparing who made more, wow or lol. I am sorry but they are completely different in business department. One is pay to play monthly, another one is free.
One been around for decade, the other one for like 2 years.
And i remember riot was bought for like 430 million or something like that a year ago.
And about quality - its a matter of opinion. No need to write "mediocre game is trying" bullshit.
That game has quality flowing out of its ass, so many players wouldn't play a bad game.
Don't try to justify what Cosmology said, he is retarded.

So no, i am writing facts that are known to everyone with half a brain.
Not clueless insults to most popular games on the planet like some of u are.

Either way i am done, this thread doesn't deserve more attention to retards.
KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
December 23 2011 16:11 GMT
#31784
On December 24 2011 00:45 tragedy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2011 00:06 Cosmology wrote:
I love IdrA so much but it's weird seeing how many pros in the LoL community get 10k viewers easy and 20k.

This guy, hotshotGG, gets around 15k viewers on a daily basis....others usually always get 5k+, I hate how this mediocre game is trying legitimize itself as an eSport by popularity.


you are kidding right?
http://www.google.com/trends?q=league of legends, starcraft 2&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0

please, league of legends is probably the most popular and most earning game in the world right now.
I mean what kind of an idiot you must be to write what you just wrote Cosmology?

Am I the only one who finds it funny that Greece has like 75% LoL and 25% Starcraft 2 ?XD
Okay sorry, that was political incorrect. Sorry.

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schimmetje
Profile Joined August 2010
Netherlands1104 Posts
December 23 2011 16:15 GMT
#31785
On December 24 2011 01:11 tragedy wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2011 01:05 Loki57 wrote:
On December 24 2011 00:45 tragedy wrote:
On December 24 2011 00:06 Cosmology wrote:
I love IdrA so much but it's weird seeing how many pros in the LoL community get 10k viewers easy and 20k.

This guy, hotshotGG, gets around 15k viewers on a daily basis....others usually always get 5k+, I hate how this mediocre game is trying legitimize itself as an eSport by popularity.


you are kidding right?
http://www.google.com/trends?q=league of legends, starcraft 2&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0

please, league of legends is probably the most popular and most earning game in the world right now.
I mean what kind of an idiot you must be to write what you just wrote Cosmology?

WoW probably STILL is far and away the most earning game right now. And you're just saying what every LoL player ever has said even though popularity != quality.


lol passed wow already in trends a while back. Also has higher active player base, 13+ mil, when wow not reaching that anymore. Even tournaments i think sundance said lol has higher viewer count than starcraft. Pretty good for a "mediocre" game.
And about quality - its a matter of opinion. No need to write "mediocre game is trying" bullshit.
That game has quality flowing out of its ass, so many players wouldn't play a bad game.
Don't try to justify what Cosmology said, he is retarded.


Lol. You represent your community well.

As for IdrA, I've been missing him due to timezone-work conflicts all week, but I've got a long weekend of vod watching ahead of me. It's not like you miss anything if you can't be in chat.

Just wish the next GSL'd come around already..

User was warned for this post
Change to MY nostalgia? UNACCEPTABLE! Monkey paaaw!
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
December 23 2011 16:18 GMT
#31786
That's what you get when a game is fucking free to play -.-' How many shows up to the actual live events, like MLG? If I remember correctly, the LoL crowd at MLG was lackluster at best.
Besides, Riot has this huuuuuge link to like every LoL tourny there is when they are live, right on the frontpage, no way for people to miss it. What does Blizzard have? A little tab that takes you to a news section where a couple of the biggest SC2 tournaments of the year is listed... That game wouldn't even have been half as successful if it wasn't free to play.

User was warned for this post
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
juicyjames *
Profile Joined August 2011
United States3815 Posts
December 23 2011 16:43 GMT
#31787
On December 24 2011 00:06 Cosmology wrote:
Even tournaments i think sundance said lol has higher viewer count than starcraft.

Source? I remember he said League of Legends has good numbers or a vague generalization like that, but I don't think he outright stated one has more than the other.
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MrDudeMan
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada973 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-23 16:50:16
December 23 2011 16:50 GMT
#31788
Why are you guys arguing about this here? Why are you arguing about it at all? Here is a link to a pic of idras feet to calm everyone down http://twitpic.com/7wzvdr.

KeksX
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Germany3634 Posts
December 23 2011 16:50 GMT
#31789
On December 24 2011 01:50 MrDudeMan wrote:
Why are you guys arguing about this here? Why are you arguing about it at all? Here is a link to a pic of idras feet to calm everyone down http://twitpic.com/7wzvdr.


That is the creepiest thing I'v ever seen. Why would somebody do that.
walklightwhat
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia752 Posts
December 23 2011 16:54 GMT
#31790
On December 24 2011 01:50 KeksX wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2011 01:50 MrDudeMan wrote:
Why are you guys arguing about this here? Why are you arguing about it at all? Here is a link to a pic of idras feet to calm everyone down http://twitpic.com/7wzvdr.


That is the creepiest thing I'v ever seen. Why would somebody do that.


Moletrap posted on reddit asking people what they wanted from Korea, someone asked if he could get a picture of IdrA's feet and because this is reddit we are talking about, it ended up upvoted (the highest comment in the thread) and so... there you go.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
December 23 2011 17:04 GMT
#31791
I don't even know which feet are idra's.
maru lover forever
Snettik
Profile Joined February 2011
Finland186 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-23 17:20:43
December 23 2011 17:20 GMT
#31792

That game has quality flowing out of its ass, so many players wouldn't play a bad game.

Farmville rapes lol in popularity. So farmville is a great game and an esport?

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MrDudeMan
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada973 Posts
December 23 2011 17:34 GMT
#31793
On December 24 2011 02:04 Incognoto wrote:
I don't even know which feet are idra's.


The ones on the right, I think.
Loki57
Profile Joined February 2011
United States292 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-23 17:38:25
December 23 2011 17:38 GMT
#31794
On December 24 2011 01:15 schimmetje wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2011 01:11 tragedy wrote:
On December 24 2011 01:05 Loki57 wrote:
On December 24 2011 00:45 tragedy wrote:
On December 24 2011 00:06 Cosmology wrote:
I love IdrA so much but it's weird seeing how many pros in the LoL community get 10k viewers easy and 20k.

This guy, hotshotGG, gets around 15k viewers on a daily basis....others usually always get 5k+, I hate how this mediocre game is trying legitimize itself as an eSport by popularity.


you are kidding right?
http://www.google.com/trends?q=league of legends, starcraft 2&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0

please, league of legends is probably the most popular and most earning game in the world right now.
I mean what kind of an idiot you must be to write what you just wrote Cosmology?

WoW probably STILL is far and away the most earning game right now. And you're just saying what every LoL player ever has said even though popularity != quality.


lol passed wow already in trends a while back. Also has higher active player base, 13+ mil, when wow not reaching that anymore. Even tournaments i think sundance said lol has higher viewer count than starcraft. Pretty good for a "mediocre" game.
And about quality - its a matter of opinion. No need to write "mediocre game is trying" bullshit.
That game has quality flowing out of its ass, so many players wouldn't play a bad game.
Don't try to justify what Cosmology said, he is retarded.


Lol. You represent your community well.

This, pretty much. Like I said, you sound like every LoL fan-boy ever.

User was warned for this post
"Dedication without talent is a daydream. Talent without dedication is a nightmare."
VashTS
Profile Joined September 2010
United States1675 Posts
December 23 2011 17:47 GMT
#31795
This is so off topic.
VashTS; 330; Random -- Ranked #9 Pokemon Video Game Player in the World in 2009
tsuxiit
Profile Joined July 2010
1305 Posts
December 23 2011 18:06 GMT
#31796
The ones on the left are clearly IdrA's. You can tell by the toe hair.
Karalius
Profile Joined January 2008
Lithuania271 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-12-23 18:22:19
December 23 2011 18:18 GMT
#31797
On December 24 2011 02:38 Loki57 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2011 01:15 schimmetje wrote:
On December 24 2011 01:11 tragedy wrote:
On December 24 2011 01:05 Loki57 wrote:
On December 24 2011 00:45 tragedy wrote:
On December 24 2011 00:06 Cosmology wrote:
I love IdrA so much but it's weird seeing how many pros in the LoL community get 10k viewers easy and 20k.

This guy, hotshotGG, gets around 15k viewers on a daily basis....others usually always get 5k+, I hate how this mediocre game is trying legitimize itself as an eSport by popularity.


you are kidding right?
http://www.google.com/trends?q=league of legends, starcraft 2&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0

please, league of legends is probably the most popular and most earning game in the world right now.
I mean what kind of an idiot you must be to write what you just wrote Cosmology?

WoW probably STILL is far and away the most earning game right now. And you're just saying what every LoL player ever has said even though popularity != quality.


lol passed wow already in trends a while back. Also has higher active player base, 13+ mil, when wow not reaching that anymore. Even tournaments i think sundance said lol has higher viewer count than starcraft. Pretty good for a "mediocre" game.
And about quality - its a matter of opinion. No need to write "mediocre game is trying" bullshit.
That game has quality flowing out of its ass, so many players wouldn't play a bad game.
Don't try to justify what Cosmology said, he is retarded.


Lol. You represent your community well.

This, pretty much. Like I said, you sound like every LoL fan-boy ever.


"My community" ?
"every fan-boy ever" ?

You really have no clue about anything, don't you scrubs?

On December 24 2011 02:20 Snettik wrote:
Show nested quote +

That game has quality flowing out of its ass, so many players wouldn't play a bad game.

Farmville rapes lol in popularity. So farmville is a great game and an esport?

So now lets compare a facebook game with a tournament that has 5mil tournaments and hundreds of thousand stream viewers.
Your logic sure wins.
also just for amusement:
http://www.google.com/trends?q=league of legends, farmville&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0


On December 24 2011 01:43 juicyjames wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 24 2011 00:06 Cosmology wrote:
Even tournaments i think sundance said lol has higher viewer count than starcraft.

Source? I remember he said League of Legends has good numbers or a vague generalization like that, but I don't think he outright stated one has more than the other.

not gonna look, it was a interview of him when he was sitting on a chair or couch with white background. he said lol had 80k viewers the moment they turned the stream on.


edit:
Anyway its pretty funny, how people start insulting a game that is one of the most popular games in the world just for the sake of insulting.

Then when they start reading facts, they start throwing in arguments like "you sound like every fan boy ever". Sorry we "fanboys" are aware of facts and use them to defend our statements. But i guess your way is easier. Blur out random shit and insult everyone in every other game.

Then you start comparing said game to farmville and WoW, then saying lol is mediocre or lacks quality.

Seriously, no wonder you are all bronze/silver in sc2. You actually have to have a brain to be any good at anything.
And most of you wish they accomplished even half in any game as i did in multiple games.

User was temp banned for this post.
I_Love_Bacon
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
United States5765 Posts
December 23 2011 18:33 GMT
#31798
Stop with the LoL esports debate. Holy fuck.

But I will say, the reason HSGG can pull in so many stream viewers is because many of the big name LoL players, HSGG included, stream everyday, consistently for like 10 hours.
" i havent been playin sc2 but i woke up w/ a boner and i really had to pee... and my crisis management and micro was really something to behold. it inspired me to play some games today" -Liquid'Tyler
Mr Showtime
Profile Joined April 2011
United States1353 Posts
December 23 2011 18:36 GMT
#31799
On December 22 2011 08:16 integrity wrote:
so i watch idra vods of his stream...

he is rage quitting so much. i thought he work that out.....



They aren't rage quits. When he quits kinda early with or without a "gg" it usually means the same thing. He hasn't lost the game, but he knows he is behind and finishing the game would be a major waste of his time. The ladder is for practice, and it would be an inefficient use of his time to play out some of the games where he needs to play flawlessly AND have his opponent screw something up to have a chance to win; when, instead, he could just quit, start anew, and not make the same mistakes that put him in the position he was in, in the last game.
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
December 23 2011 18:38 GMT
#31800
Just shut the fuck up. Make a thread if you want to fanboy over LoL

''Seriously, no wonder you are all bronze/silver in sc2. You actually have to have a brain to be any good at anything.
And most of you wish they accomplished even half in any game as i did in multiple games.''

If you had left out that part you wouldn't have sounded like a complete fucktard
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
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