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LostFaction
Profile Joined December 2010
Portugal80 Posts
October 16 2011 01:50 GMT
#25641
Oh i am sorry
BENFICA
MrDudeMan
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada973 Posts
October 16 2011 01:51 GMT
#25642
On October 16 2011 10:41 Punti wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2011 10:34 Refund wrote:
Idra had that game completely won, MKP didn't even have a single reactor, and practically no siege tanks. Idra should've pulled back his mutas but he was too frustrated, sometimes the absurdity of upgraded marines catches you like a deer in headlights.


I don't think he had won that completely. MKP still had his medivacs, 3 working bases, 3/3 and a ton of barracks. IdrA didn't catch up with his upgrades. To be honest, IdrA had a huge timing for some good attacks. I mean, MKP spend a ton of gas and minerals for his upgrades, giving IdrA the chance to burst the front with banelings and roll over with zerglings. But it's as always, IdrA is just sitting in his base, playing too passively when he should be aggressive. I am pretty sure this build by MKP would have never worked against Julyzerg.


Passively? I disagree and think that idra played somewhat too offensively. The problem was that mutas aren't the right unit against this mass marine style to begin with. It is almost impossible to harass with them as the opponent can simply split their marines, and shakuras is a great map for turtle terran play. That being said, idra made it work by harassing over and over again with his lings/muta's. If it weren't for those he would have been in awful condition. However somewhere along the line idra committed too much to harassment and could not get up an appropriate amount of zerglings/banelings in order to deal with the 3-3 marines. He also engaged in a poor position (by the watch tower where you can only attack for 2 directions), and did not have control great enough to justify the mutas (he crashed some of the banelings into thors/tanks, he attacked with the mutas when he really shouldn't have, etc). He played great that game, but that specific build does extremely well against idra's style of play (mass muta). If he were playing a lesser terran, he probably would have won that game with the harass, as his opponents macro would diminish (even MKP's micro was shotty). However, MKP had the apm to deal with the two pronged attacks, and he also had the apm to split his marines and minimize baneling damage. Whether infestors are a better choice or not is debatable, they are great for fungal, but good split will minimize fungal damage, and infestors take up a lot of gas. Either way, idra played great, he definitely could have played better and won, but his performance this MLG (and at IEM, IPL) is terrific.
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
October 16 2011 01:51 GMT
#25643
On October 16 2011 10:50 LostFaction wrote:
Oh i am sorry

Liar
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
Jaxtyk
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States600 Posts
October 16 2011 01:53 GMT
#25644
I don't get it, according to http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Orlando

Doesn't this mean that IdrA still has a chance at the championship?!!?
To tell the truth....I could beat anyone in the world.
Thrax
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada1755 Posts
October 16 2011 01:53 GMT
#25645
On October 16 2011 10:53 Jaxtyk wrote:
I don't get it, according to http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Orlando

Doesn't this mean that IdrA still has a chance at the championship?!!?

IdrA can still win the whole thing, but finishing 2nd vs 1st in the group makes a huge difference.
ThaZenith
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3116 Posts
October 16 2011 01:53 GMT
#25646
On October 16 2011 10:46 Pooman wrote:
Looking at the brackets, it looks like it will probably be Idra vs Stephano.

Based on current form, Stephano will probably roll him.

Lol, why would you say that?

Stephano has to win 4-5 more sets to even reach idra, going through players like boxer and sase (who just beat bomber). Plus, why would you think he's better than IdrA anyway? I've seen nothing from stephano to indicate that at all.
MrDudeMan
Profile Joined April 2011
Canada973 Posts
October 16 2011 01:54 GMT
#25647
On October 16 2011 10:53 Jaxtyk wrote:
I don't get it, according to http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Orlando

Doesn't this mean that IdrA still has a chance at the championship?!!?


Yes he does, but if he had won that game he was guaranteed a top 6 spot. Now he is only guaranteed a top 12 spot, but either way he will probably get a code a offer. Seeing as how 6/12 are already illegible, and there's a good chance that another 2/12 will also be illegible.
PandaMonk
Profile Joined June 2011
United States300 Posts
October 16 2011 01:54 GMT
#25648
Guys... i have bad news, EVEN if IdrA beats Sase/Stephano, if the other foreign hope (HuK) wins, which we should hope for, since he is a foreigner, he will have to play MKP with extended series...please idra, please take this shit DOWN. <3 <3
Pooman
Profile Joined October 2010
148 Posts
October 16 2011 01:57 GMT
#25649
Any true Idra fan would never cheer for huk ever.
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-16 01:59:51
October 16 2011 01:57 GMT
#25650
On October 16 2011 10:57 Pooman wrote:
Any true Idra fan would never cheer for huk ever.

... That's retarded

Edit: I suppose I'll have to explain just why that is retarded.
http://i.imgur.com/QdLAY.jpg
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
PHILtheTANK
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1834 Posts
October 16 2011 01:58 GMT
#25651
On October 16 2011 10:57 Pooman wrote:
Any true Idra fan would never cheer for huk ever.


I can be a huge Idra fan and still be a huge Huk fan.... Especially considering theyre teammates now?!
Jieun <3
SgtMuffins
Profile Joined June 2010
United States37 Posts
October 16 2011 01:58 GMT
#25652
On October 16 2011 10:54 PandaMonk wrote:
Guys... i have bad news, EVEN if IdrA beats Sase/Stephano, if the other foreign hope (HuK) wins, which we should hope for, since he is a foreigner, he will have to play MKP with extended series...please idra, please take this shit DOWN. <3 <3


No, he won't, actually. The loser of MKP / HuK goes into the slot labled "A/D" on Liqupedia.(MKP was pool A, HuK was pool D)
PirateEd
Profile Joined June 2011
United States61 Posts
October 16 2011 01:59 GMT
#25653
On October 16 2011 10:54 PandaMonk wrote:
Guys... i have bad news, EVEN if IdrA beats Sase/Stephano, if the other foreign hope (HuK) wins, which we should hope for, since he is a foreigner, he will have to play MKP with extended series...please idra, please take this shit DOWN. <3 <3


No because even if Idra wins 2 sets, he'd play loser of Bomber/StC not Huk/MKP
Hnnngg
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1101 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-16 02:01:45
October 16 2011 01:59 GMT
#25654
On October 16 2011 10:54 PandaMonk wrote:
Guys... i have bad news, EVEN if IdrA beats Sase/Stephano, if the other foreign hope (HuK) wins, which we should hope for, since he is a foreigner, he will have to play MKP with extended series...please idra, please take this shit DOWN. <3 <3


Uh, not until like 3rd place. If Idra wins twice (probably a ZvZ against Stephano or ZvP against SaSe) and a ZvZ against July), he'll have to play the loser of Bomber/STC first, and if MarineKing loses to Huk, MarineKing will have to win a game after that.

Then they will have an extended series.
-Some1.
Profile Joined September 2011
Portugal168 Posts
October 16 2011 01:59 GMT
#25655
The simple truth is that 3/3 marines are probably the best cost/efficient unit in the game. And Idra did not upgraded past 2-0. That's a huge handicap.
That said and with the amount of medivacs there is no way infestors would have worked.
Besides Idra was in desperate need for gas and mkp only needed minerals. He was floating arround 1.5k minerals at the end of the game and he had 2 bases on wich he was getting minerals.

The fact is that Idra underestimated Marines, and we see this with many players. They think: "Oh its just marines, no need to tech up or mass the counter" (in this case it would be banes or ultras, witch he did not have). No other unit would been good expect for broodlords, but 20 3/3 marines under broodlords are enought to tear them apart. So would also be risky.

And don't forget that scv's also benefit from armor upgrades...so bringing in 3 armor scv's and let them sit under medivacs to act like meatshields was pretty good tought.

It was a fair game on wich mkp knew what he was aiming for the whole game dispite the fight that Idra put up a huge fight. But the maths are quite simple: if you only need minerals and good micro vs a opponent that desperatly needs gas and time(to make banes) and good micro as well, its easy to realise that there was a pretty huge handicap.

Not saying marines are OP. Just saying that they're pretty good and if you underestimate them, you'll be caught off guard.
I don't hate those who think different. I Hate those who think wrong.
Pooman
Profile Joined October 2010
148 Posts
October 16 2011 02:00 GMT
#25656
On October 16 2011 10:57 Aocowns wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2011 10:57 Pooman wrote:
Any true Idra fan would never cheer for huk ever.

... That's retarded

Edit: I suppose I'll have to explain just why that is retarded.
http://i.imgur.com/QdLAY.jpg

(it was a joke)
Aocowns
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway6070 Posts
October 16 2011 02:03 GMT
#25657
On October 16 2011 11:00 Pooman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 16 2011 10:57 Aocowns wrote:
On October 16 2011 10:57 Pooman wrote:
Any true Idra fan would never cheer for huk ever.

... That's retarded

Edit: I suppose I'll have to explain just why that is retarded.
http://i.imgur.com/QdLAY.jpg

(it was a joke)

Oh, really now.
I'm a salt-lord and hater of mech and ForGG, don't take me seriously, it's just my salt-humour speaking i swear. |KadaverBB best TL gaoler| |~IdrA's #1 fan~| SetGuitarsToKill and Duckk are my martyr heroes |
Jaxtyk
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States600 Posts
October 16 2011 02:04 GMT
#25658
So assuming IdrA beats the winner between sase and whoever, he will move on to play the winner of July against whoever, then he will play against either Bomber or STC. sigh....
To tell the truth....I could beat anyone in the world.
PirateEd
Profile Joined June 2011
United States61 Posts
October 16 2011 02:13 GMT
#25659
I think Idra pretty much has a guarenteed Code A spot. Correct me if I'm wrong but since 3 foreigners get Code A, 4 if a korean gets the Code S spot or no one gets Code S, then that would leave Idra, Ret, Stephano/Kiwikaki/Drewbie/Sase, Ddoro/Slush, Tyler/Gowser/KawaiiRice/Machine, and Haypro/Sheth/TLO/InControl as the foreigners, not including Huk who already has Code S. I know that looks like a lot of names but Tyler/Gowser/KawaiiRice/Machine has to beat Hero and Hongun in order to even place near Idra. Ddoro/Slush has to beat Rain and MC in order to advance. And assuming Sheth comes out of the Haypro/Sheth/TLO/Incontrol group, I don't think he's gonna accept the invite. So basically, among the foreigners, that leaves Idra, probably Stephano/Kiwikaki (if they can overcome Boxer), and Ret. Which is 3 spots.

This is all hypothetical but I see that scenario as the worst possible realistic placement for Idra. Although, I'm not quite sure how the consolation matches work.
ThaZenith
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada3116 Posts
October 16 2011 02:16 GMT
#25660
Ya I agree. IdrA is pretty much guaranteed a Code A slot. Although he's definitely gonna take the code S one anyway so there's no point figuring all that out.
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