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LostFaction
Portugal80 Posts
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MrDudeMan
Canada973 Posts
On October 16 2011 10:41 Punti wrote: I don't think he had won that completely. MKP still had his medivacs, 3 working bases, 3/3 and a ton of barracks. IdrA didn't catch up with his upgrades. To be honest, IdrA had a huge timing for some good attacks. I mean, MKP spend a ton of gas and minerals for his upgrades, giving IdrA the chance to burst the front with banelings and roll over with zerglings. But it's as always, IdrA is just sitting in his base, playing too passively when he should be aggressive. I am pretty sure this build by MKP would have never worked against Julyzerg. Passively? I disagree and think that idra played somewhat too offensively. The problem was that mutas aren't the right unit against this mass marine style to begin with. It is almost impossible to harass with them as the opponent can simply split their marines, and shakuras is a great map for turtle terran play. That being said, idra made it work by harassing over and over again with his lings/muta's. If it weren't for those he would have been in awful condition. However somewhere along the line idra committed too much to harassment and could not get up an appropriate amount of zerglings/banelings in order to deal with the 3-3 marines. He also engaged in a poor position (by the watch tower where you can only attack for 2 directions), and did not have control great enough to justify the mutas (he crashed some of the banelings into thors/tanks, he attacked with the mutas when he really shouldn't have, etc). He played great that game, but that specific build does extremely well against idra's style of play (mass muta). If he were playing a lesser terran, he probably would have won that game with the harass, as his opponents macro would diminish (even MKP's micro was shotty). However, MKP had the apm to deal with the two pronged attacks, and he also had the apm to split his marines and minimize baneling damage. Whether infestors are a better choice or not is debatable, they are great for fungal, but good split will minimize fungal damage, and infestors take up a lot of gas. Either way, idra played great, he definitely could have played better and won, but his performance this MLG (and at IEM, IPL) is terrific. | ||
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
On October 16 2011 10:50 LostFaction wrote: Oh i am sorry Liar | ||
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Jaxtyk
United States600 Posts
Doesn't this mean that IdrA still has a chance at the championship?!!? | ||
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Thrax
Canada1755 Posts
On October 16 2011 10:53 Jaxtyk wrote: I don't get it, according to http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Orlando Doesn't this mean that IdrA still has a chance at the championship?!!? IdrA can still win the whole thing, but finishing 2nd vs 1st in the group makes a huge difference. | ||
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ThaZenith
Canada3116 Posts
On October 16 2011 10:46 Pooman wrote: Looking at the brackets, it looks like it will probably be Idra vs Stephano. Based on current form, Stephano will probably roll him. Lol, why would you say that? Stephano has to win 4-5 more sets to even reach idra, going through players like boxer and sase (who just beat bomber). Plus, why would you think he's better than IdrA anyway? I've seen nothing from stephano to indicate that at all. | ||
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MrDudeMan
Canada973 Posts
On October 16 2011 10:53 Jaxtyk wrote: I don't get it, according to http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_MLG_Pro_Circuit/Orlando Doesn't this mean that IdrA still has a chance at the championship?!!? Yes he does, but if he had won that game he was guaranteed a top 6 spot. Now he is only guaranteed a top 12 spot, but either way he will probably get a code a offer. Seeing as how 6/12 are already illegible, and there's a good chance that another 2/12 will also be illegible. | ||
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PandaMonk
United States300 Posts
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Pooman
148 Posts
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
On October 16 2011 10:57 Pooman wrote: Any true Idra fan would never cheer for huk ever. ... That's retarded Edit: I suppose I'll have to explain just why that is retarded. http://i.imgur.com/QdLAY.jpg | ||
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PHILtheTANK
United States1834 Posts
On October 16 2011 10:57 Pooman wrote: Any true Idra fan would never cheer for huk ever. I can be a huge Idra fan and still be a huge Huk fan.... Especially considering theyre teammates now?! | ||
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SgtMuffins
United States37 Posts
On October 16 2011 10:54 PandaMonk wrote: Guys... i have bad news, EVEN if IdrA beats Sase/Stephano, if the other foreign hope (HuK) wins, which we should hope for, since he is a foreigner, he will have to play MKP with extended series...please idra, please take this shit DOWN. <3 <3 No, he won't, actually. The loser of MKP / HuK goes into the slot labled "A/D" on Liqupedia.(MKP was pool A, HuK was pool D) | ||
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PirateEd
United States61 Posts
On October 16 2011 10:54 PandaMonk wrote: Guys... i have bad news, EVEN if IdrA beats Sase/Stephano, if the other foreign hope (HuK) wins, which we should hope for, since he is a foreigner, he will have to play MKP with extended series...please idra, please take this shit DOWN. <3 <3 No because even if Idra wins 2 sets, he'd play loser of Bomber/StC not Huk/MKP | ||
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Hnnngg
United States1101 Posts
On October 16 2011 10:54 PandaMonk wrote: Guys... i have bad news, EVEN if IdrA beats Sase/Stephano, if the other foreign hope (HuK) wins, which we should hope for, since he is a foreigner, he will have to play MKP with extended series...please idra, please take this shit DOWN. <3 <3 Uh, not until like 3rd place. If Idra wins twice (probably a ZvZ against Stephano or ZvP against SaSe) and a ZvZ against July), he'll have to play the loser of Bomber/STC first, and if MarineKing loses to Huk, MarineKing will have to win a game after that. Then they will have an extended series. | ||
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-Some1.
Portugal168 Posts
That said and with the amount of medivacs there is no way infestors would have worked. Besides Idra was in desperate need for gas and mkp only needed minerals. He was floating arround 1.5k minerals at the end of the game and he had 2 bases on wich he was getting minerals. The fact is that Idra underestimated Marines, and we see this with many players. They think: "Oh its just marines, no need to tech up or mass the counter" (in this case it would be banes or ultras, witch he did not have). No other unit would been good expect for broodlords, but 20 3/3 marines under broodlords are enought to tear them apart. So would also be risky. And don't forget that scv's also benefit from armor upgrades...so bringing in 3 armor scv's and let them sit under medivacs to act like meatshields was pretty good tought. It was a fair game on wich mkp knew what he was aiming for the whole game dispite the fight that Idra put up a huge fight. But the maths are quite simple: if you only need minerals and good micro vs a opponent that desperatly needs gas and time(to make banes) and good micro as well, its easy to realise that there was a pretty huge handicap. Not saying marines are OP. Just saying that they're pretty good and if you underestimate them, you'll be caught off guard. | ||
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Pooman
148 Posts
On October 16 2011 10:57 Aocowns wrote: ... That's retarded Edit: I suppose I'll have to explain just why that is retarded. http://i.imgur.com/QdLAY.jpg (it was a joke) | ||
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Aocowns
Norway6070 Posts
Oh, really now. | ||
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Jaxtyk
United States600 Posts
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PirateEd
United States61 Posts
This is all hypothetical but I see that scenario as the worst possible realistic placement for Idra. Although, I'm not quite sure how the consolation matches work. | ||
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ThaZenith
Canada3116 Posts
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