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nanashin
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1584 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-16 23:49:20
January 16 2017 23:45 GMT
#111741
Well that's a + Show Spoiler [negative] +
On January 17 2017 06:42 Gfire wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 17 2017 04:35 nanashin wrote:
Not co-produced.
Production = lyrics, composition, and arrangement.
Hyuna's + Show Spoiler [contribution] +
Probably starts and ends with brown hair red dress. You can tell because she's trying to do Hyuna's shitty nagging delivery and Hyuna's idea of rhyming is
똑똑 자 나와봐라 (A)
한번 바라봐 (B)
안 넘어오나 봐 (B)
쟤는 나 몰랐나 봐 (B)
이젠 잘 찾아봐라 (A)

But, I do have to give her credit. She has actually grown as a rapper, she indicates that she has a deep understanding of rhyming by demonstrating the concept of adjusting the enunciation of syllables in order to create rhymes.
Much as one would find rhyming commonality with "waves" and "face" if one tinkers with sibilant sounds and focus more on the vowel,
in Hyuna's case she revolutionized the meta-game by taking this concept and shifting it out of its decrepit paradigm. ala
와락 안아줄게 너
자꾸 말 안 들어 너
날 좀 바라봐라 더는
센 척하지 마라
이따 후회하지 너
좀 더 놀아봐라 너
She presented the CLC rapper with four phrases ending with 너 and coached her to finesse the pronunciation of 너 into short and long vowels. So, what, for pleb rappers would be a simple
와락 안아줄게 너 (C)
자꾸 말 안 들어 너 (C)
날 좀 바라봐라 (A) 더는
센 척하지 마라 (A)
이따 후회하지 너 (C)
좀 더 놀아봐라(A) 너 (C)
A - B structure is now an astounding

와락 안아줄게 너 (C)
자꾸 말 안 들어 너 (D)
날 좀 바라봐라 (A) 더는
센 척하지 마라 (A)
이따 후회하지 너 (C)
좀 더 놀아봐라(A) 너 (D)
THIS SHIT IS OFF DA HOOK!
You see what she did there?
She coached that CLC to stress 너 into having both a short vowel sound and a long vowel sound.
너 (C) is normal nuh, while 너(D) is a complete game changing because it sounds like 나 while on paper it's 너.
So now 너 doesn't rhyme with 너 anymore, it needs another 너 to rhyme with and that other 너 needs its own 너 to rhyme with as well.
Oh and I have to apologize and adjust the (A) labeled rhymes, clearly those were self-rhyming syllables. SHE HAS WORDS THAT RHYME WITH THEIR OWNSELVES! It's like poetry! They rhyme! EVERY PHRASE IS SO DENSE!

A rap goddess has descended! All eyes must be averted for the glory of wordsmith heavens are shining upon this mud ball! Cover your children's ears! Pray that you stop having cognizance in words, for they are to pure to be touched. Your sinful selves will betray you.

HYUNA MADE A SYLLABLE NOT RHYME WITH ITSELF!
This is truly how you know that she's a 10 year seasoned rapper, OF TWO GROUPS MIND YOU!
Not only is she a 10 year veteran rapper, but you can see the fruits of also being a veteran main dancer has given her a deep understanding of choreography. Just look at those crotch drops, spanks, pelvic grinding, and minimalist usage of space. It's totally a post-modern deconstructed take on pop choreography.


You're describing writing, not producing. If she isn't credited as co-writer there shouldn't be any expectation that she contributed at all to lyrics, composition or possibly even arrangement. In a hip hop sort of context I might expect co-producing to involve working on the beat. It seems like she coached the rapping parts probably. From the sound it seems like "co-production" is the right term to describe her contribution. It's not a very specific term though. Producers wear a lot of hats.

I find the rap analysis interesting but how Hyuna-specific is it? I haven't payed enough attention.

I was simply a clarifying off of Ness's question about the degree to which she was involved in production.
To me, you've got to have a minor roll in at least two of the three positions that Melon.com lists for "this is the people that done shit for this song" Melon categorizes lyricist, composition, and arrangement, which to me is a very nice boil down of production.
As news had mentioned, she was only involved in writing...to a degree. Along with choreo and overseeing their style: http://www.vlive.tv/video/20914?channelCode=F2E189 31:25
Hyuna serves as lead advisor for CLC's fashion

socks worn over high heels

Brava Hyuna, brava.

And my analysis is simply based on the fact that, Hyuna isn't exactly a vocalist, her wheelhouse is "rapping" and/or main dancer-ing.
When a vocalist writes a song, you can pretty much assume they're going to be writing lyrics that will be sung.
When a rapper writes a song, you can pretty much assume they're going to be writing lyrics that will be sung, rapped, or sung and rapped.
When Hyuna co-writes a song, you can pretty much assume they're going to be shitty, shitty, shitty, shitty rap lines.
Why?
Because no one has gone to her for writing throughout most of her career of..."rapping"
They only call her up because they feel her barking out lyrics is a suitable way of adding layers of texture and contrast to a, which before her insertion was likely a decent, song.
When Hyuna did get put in charge of co-writing or more,

only instance of "or more".
I don't listen to a lot of hip hop...like at all, nor do I have a sense of rhythm.
But 02:07 of that track. I think if one were to simplify rap down to little more than rhyming and putting words in sequence to music, one can easily see that isn't exactly what she's doing there.
And if one looks at Blacklist with LE. A layman, such as myself, can probably loosely understand "tightness" of flow by seeing the contrast of what LE is doing and what Hyuna is doing when she goes
Words words, words, words
words, words
words words words, rhyming jump off point A.
Words words words words, words
words words, words words
words, words, words rhyming jump off point B.
words words, words rhyming landing point A
words rhyming landing point B
when the song not engage in a change of tempo at any point.

Hyuna isn't gifted, is what it boils down to.
So, if someone says a song has been co-written by Hyuna with a bunch of other names and you find song has some functional enough singing, and then some awkward as shit and/or simplistic, and likely very + Show Spoiler [grating] +

rapping.
It's probably safe to assume she wrote that rapping.
way to start a page.
Engage Nancy winku modu!
Now you must build the lies you have told. - Looking for Boram JP single trading card, have Jiyeon.
polgas
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1791 Posts
January 17 2017 02:02 GMT
#111742
lol, I enjoyed your rant on Hyuna.
Leee Jaee Doong
WinterWoes
Profile Joined July 2012
Australia450 Posts
January 17 2017 16:13 GMT
#111743
I.O.I's final single. Nice to see all 11 members be a part of it. YMC sure made people confused about the song's release though...


+ Show Spoiler [more new releases] +



HaSeul and YeoJin version of the duet song.


Didn't see this one posted previously

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DwD
Profile Joined January 2010
Sweden8621 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-17 19:31:52
January 17 2017 17:44 GMT
#111744
I.O.I !!! <3
Really nice memory lane, song could be better I guess but w/e.. Damn Im so sad T_T PLS DONT ENDDDDDDDDD!!!


Dance version. This song is so freaking awesome and so are the members! Minx aww yisss

~ T-ARA ~ DREAMCATCHER ~ EVERGLOW ~ OH MY GIRL ~ DIA ~ BOL4 ~ CHUNGHA ~
EmKey
Profile Joined December 2002
Korea (South)631 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-17 20:30:27
January 17 2017 20:12 GMT
#111745
Dat dreamcatcher. Brown bathrobes in an abandoned garage - talk about low budget. Nice choreo tho, cant wait for 2x.

Is that IOI vid an official one? Quality of some of used clips is subpar. Its like they used youtube 480p as a source.
불놀이야
polgas
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1791 Posts
January 17 2017 20:21 GMT
#111746
I have some secondhand news about G.na.

I was talking to a Korean friend yesterday about entertainment news and he casually mentioned it.

"Oh hey, my friend bumped into G.na in some restaurant locally!"
"Whaaaat??"
"Yup, she even took a picture with her and showed it to me".
"Really?"
"Yup, where else would she go right? So she's here".
"I guess you're right".
"I told my friend about the scandal and she's like 'Nooo! Really??'"
"Hey I'm the one who told you about that!"
"And now my friend knows."

I'm glad that she's back and she can still go about taking pictures with people. One of these days I'll have one if I'm lucky!
Leee Jaee Doong
Nesserev
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium2760 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-17 20:44:51
January 17 2017 20:43 GMT
#111747
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polgas
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada1791 Posts
January 17 2017 20:58 GMT
#111748
Yes, in BC, Canada.
Leee Jaee Doong
EmKey
Profile Joined December 2002
Korea (South)631 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-17 21:28:38
January 17 2017 21:27 GMT
#111749
I dont want to determine their budget nor do i care how much money their company has. I want it to look good. This looks like some failed attempt at high fashion. Standard practice room with mirrors + workout clothes works much better for me.
불놀이야
Nesserev
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium2760 Posts
January 17 2017 21:56 GMT
#111750
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EmKey
Profile Joined December 2002
Korea (South)631 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-17 22:13:53
January 17 2017 22:08 GMT
#111751
lmao and i tought funerals are boring

good thing there was 50 of em... surely 12 wouldnt be enough
불놀이야
nanashin
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1584 Posts
January 18 2017 10:40 GMT
#111752
Nothing will really fill the void left by NS Yoonji.

But, got to admit that this Yoonji is quite fantastic in her own right.
Seriously, Korean needs to put them both on a stage.
Now you must build the lies you have told. - Looking for Boram JP single trading card, have Jiyeon.
DwD
Profile Joined January 2010
Sweden8621 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-18 19:56:17
January 18 2017 18:47 GMT
#111753
They are trying to sell her as the new BoA and imo she has a loooooong way to go for that. I didn't really feel it, saw her performance from a couple of shows now and it's kinda meh to be honest.

This is a thing:


Nothing compared to this HYPE tho

http://www.vlive.tv/video/21148/PLEDIS-DEBUT-PROJECT-PRISTIN프리스틴---너무너무너무Very-Very-Very


Can't wait for this debut.
~ T-ARA ~ DREAMCATCHER ~ EVERGLOW ~ OH MY GIRL ~ DIA ~ BOL4 ~ CHUNGHA ~
EmKey
Profile Joined December 2002
Korea (South)631 Posts
January 18 2017 22:38 GMT
#111754
Very Very Very without Somi ? Is this even a thing ? What do they think is going to happen to this song ? Do they really expect it to work ? Its like LAL without Kobe. Sure you can do that, but whats the point ?
불놀이야
Nesserev
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium2760 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-18 23:37:05
January 18 2017 23:30 GMT
#111755
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Rocket-Bear
Profile Joined July 2014
3070 Posts
January 19 2017 10:41 GMT
#111756
Recently listened to the full Lim Chang Jung 13th album and wow it's so good. If you want to have something in the background when you're studying or working I recommend it.
Favorite players: Gh and Zai
DwD
Profile Joined January 2010
Sweden8621 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-19 22:04:44
January 19 2017 20:37 GMT
#111757
I.O.I with another rookies of the year award. Baby we can't be stopped!
At least not until our contract with YMC Ent runs out... T_T

Yoojung


Somi+Doyeon


Hyeri+Sira+Sohee (All Produce101 girls now in I.B.I, Hyeri came in 12:th...Holy shit she looks good.)



Also check out the other stuff from EP6, all good stuff same channel!
~ T-ARA ~ DREAMCATCHER ~ EVERGLOW ~ OH MY GIRL ~ DIA ~ BOL4 ~ CHUNGHA ~
EmKey
Profile Joined December 2002
Korea (South)631 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-20 02:09:46
January 20 2017 02:04 GMT
#111758
I wish the was more Ailee in this song


Some Choa goodie
불놀이야
nanashin
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1584 Posts
January 20 2017 02:27 GMT
#111759
Make way, best Hyuna coming through.
Now you must build the lies you have told. - Looking for Boram JP single trading card, have Jiyeon.
TheEmulator
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
28104 Posts
January 20 2017 07:08 GMT
#111760
On January 16 2017 12:47 LosingID8 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 14 2017 20:36 Ilikestarcraft wrote:
On January 10 2017 00:38 EmKey wrote:
On January 09 2017 22:48 Sableyeah wrote:
INA looks so much like Sunny lol, especially here

S.E.S comeback and no1 posted it ?

+ Show Spoiler +


+ Show Spoiler +

I actually wonder how many people here actually listened to them while they were active. They disbanded before I even got into kpop.

I've been listening to kpop since 1998

You're a real OG. I feel like I've been listening longer than most people and I only started around 2009-2010.
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