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Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17300 Posts
June 19 2014 21:52 GMT
#103721
Anyone who thinks they weren't all already dating is extremely naive.
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Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
June 19 2014 22:05 GMT
#103722
Yeah really. The members of SM generally know each other pretty well, they probably met some time ago, maybe even before he debuted.
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Taku
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada2036 Posts
June 19 2014 22:23 GMT
#103723
I don't doubt that all of them have dated amongst other things but the way it got out and the spectacle which is unfolding seems so amateurish for SM as an organization and the members themselves. They knew what they signed up for as idols and I'm pretty sure discretion and minding their public image is one of them. The other members of SNSD went public with no problem but the latest reveal is such a mess.
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wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-19 22:27:05
June 19 2014 22:25 GMT
#103724
On June 20 2014 06:49 Taku wrote:
I've kinda lost a bit of respect for Exo and SM as a whole. Seems kind of unprofessional for SM to let EXO members date after such a short time in the limelight, and also the couple were really, really bad at being discreet. Looks bad all around.

The fact that there was a no-dating policy in the first place is fucking stupid. How does it look bad? Saesangs can go suck a fat one.
On June 20 2014 07:23 Taku wrote:
I don't doubt that all of them have dated amongst other things but the way it got out and the spectacle which is unfolding seems so amateurish for SM as an organization and the members themselves. They knew what they signed up for as idols and I'm pretty sure discretion and minding their public image is one of them. The other members of SNSD went public with no problem but the latest reveal is such a mess.

I think I remember reading it has been going on for like 4months? that's a pretty long time to keep it hidden from limelight...
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Taku
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada2036 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-19 22:36:03
June 19 2014 22:34 GMT
#103725
On June 20 2014 07:25 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2014 06:49 Taku wrote:
I've kinda lost a bit of respect for Exo and SM as a whole. Seems kind of unprofessional for SM to let EXO members date after such a short time in the limelight, and also the couple were really, really bad at being discreet. Looks bad all around.

The fact that there was a no-dating policy in the first place is fucking stupid. How does it look bad? Saesangs can go suck a fat one.
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2014 07:23 Taku wrote:
I don't doubt that all of them have dated amongst other things but the way it got out and the spectacle which is unfolding seems so amateurish for SM as an organization and the members themselves. They knew what they signed up for as idols and I'm pretty sure discretion and minding their public image is one of them. The other members of SNSD went public with no problem but the latest reveal is such a mess.

I think I remember reading it has been going on for like 4months? that's a pretty long time to keep it hidden from limelight...


Well an idol is a full time job. When you start a career as demanding of your time and energy as working in the kpop industry why add an extra drain of time, energy, and focus? It's like any other job where smarter people tend to find their way and settle into a comfortable career path before branching into other things. If an EXO member thought that after less than a year of success after debut that they got the hang of things enough to start dating this way I'd question their mindset. I mean once you contrast that with Shinee it just looks worse.

Also from the coverage I've seen of the couple they went full retard in being discreet while out on dates and also mislead their fans. The expected outcome has arrived and now I wonder how they will each drag down their own groups. I thought the whole point of SM preferring dating within the agency was so that it would be easier to keep on the down-low.
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Nesserev
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Belgium2760 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-19 22:38:41
June 19 2014 22:36 GMT
#103726
--- Nuked ---
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 19 2014 22:37 GMT
#103727
On June 20 2014 07:34 Taku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2014 07:25 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 20 2014 06:49 Taku wrote:
I've kinda lost a bit of respect for Exo and SM as a whole. Seems kind of unprofessional for SM to let EXO members date after such a short time in the limelight, and also the couple were really, really bad at being discreet. Looks bad all around.

The fact that there was a no-dating policy in the first place is fucking stupid. How does it look bad? Saesangs can go suck a fat one.
On June 20 2014 07:23 Taku wrote:
I don't doubt that all of them have dated amongst other things but the way it got out and the spectacle which is unfolding seems so amateurish for SM as an organization and the members themselves. They knew what they signed up for as idols and I'm pretty sure discretion and minding their public image is one of them. The other members of SNSD went public with no problem but the latest reveal is such a mess.

I think I remember reading it has been going on for like 4months? that's a pretty long time to keep it hidden from limelight...


Well an idol is a full time job. When you start a career as demanding of your time and energy as working in the kpop industry why add an extra drain of time, energy, and focus? It's like any other job where smarter people tend to find their way and settle into a comfortable career path before branching into other things. If an EXO member thought that after less than a year of success after debut that they got the hang of things enough to start dating this way I'd question their mindset. I mean once you contrast that with Shinee it just looks worse.

Also from the coverage I've seen of the couple they went full retard in being discreet while out on dates. The expected outcome has arrived and now I wonder how they will each drag down their own groups. I thought the whole point of SM preferring dating within the agency was so that it would be easier to keep on the down-low.

There are plenty of people with time consuming jobs that have kids and wives. Dating is hardly near that magnitude, such a dumb cop out.

now there's an argument to be made that it'll hurt fan base, but seriously fuck that fan base that takes this kind of shit seriously.
liftlift > tsm
Taku
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada2036 Posts
June 19 2014 22:40 GMT
#103728
On June 20 2014 07:37 wei2coolman wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2014 07:34 Taku wrote:
On June 20 2014 07:25 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 20 2014 06:49 Taku wrote:
I've kinda lost a bit of respect for Exo and SM as a whole. Seems kind of unprofessional for SM to let EXO members date after such a short time in the limelight, and also the couple were really, really bad at being discreet. Looks bad all around.

The fact that there was a no-dating policy in the first place is fucking stupid. How does it look bad? Saesangs can go suck a fat one.
On June 20 2014 07:23 Taku wrote:
I don't doubt that all of them have dated amongst other things but the way it got out and the spectacle which is unfolding seems so amateurish for SM as an organization and the members themselves. They knew what they signed up for as idols and I'm pretty sure discretion and minding their public image is one of them. The other members of SNSD went public with no problem but the latest reveal is such a mess.

I think I remember reading it has been going on for like 4months? that's a pretty long time to keep it hidden from limelight...


Well an idol is a full time job. When you start a career as demanding of your time and energy as working in the kpop industry why add an extra drain of time, energy, and focus? It's like any other job where smarter people tend to find their way and settle into a comfortable career path before branching into other things. If an EXO member thought that after less than a year of success after debut that they got the hang of things enough to start dating this way I'd question their mindset. I mean once you contrast that with Shinee it just looks worse.

Also from the coverage I've seen of the couple they went full retard in being discreet while out on dates. The expected outcome has arrived and now I wonder how they will each drag down their own groups. I thought the whole point of SM preferring dating within the agency was so that it would be easier to keep on the down-low.

There are plenty of people with time consuming jobs that have kids and wives. Dating is hardly near that magnitude, such a dumb cop out.

now there's an argument to be made that it'll hurt fan base, but seriously fuck that fan base that takes this kind of shit seriously.


Well my main point is that to me SM is slipping, they've always run a tighter ship than the other companies in my eyes but the last 6 months or so they've had so many messy situations come up. I agree and don't care if idols are dating or banging behind the scenes because obviously they have their own personal lives but for their managers to allow it to affect their professional image, the product which they are selling, seems weird. Anyways I'll just leave it at that.
When SC2 came for BW, I cried. Now LoL/Dota2 comes for SC2, and I laugh. \o/
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 19 2014 22:47 GMT
#103729
On June 20 2014 07:40 Taku wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2014 07:37 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 20 2014 07:34 Taku wrote:
On June 20 2014 07:25 wei2coolman wrote:
On June 20 2014 06:49 Taku wrote:
I've kinda lost a bit of respect for Exo and SM as a whole. Seems kind of unprofessional for SM to let EXO members date after such a short time in the limelight, and also the couple were really, really bad at being discreet. Looks bad all around.

The fact that there was a no-dating policy in the first place is fucking stupid. How does it look bad? Saesangs can go suck a fat one.
On June 20 2014 07:23 Taku wrote:
I don't doubt that all of them have dated amongst other things but the way it got out and the spectacle which is unfolding seems so amateurish for SM as an organization and the members themselves. They knew what they signed up for as idols and I'm pretty sure discretion and minding their public image is one of them. The other members of SNSD went public with no problem but the latest reveal is such a mess.

I think I remember reading it has been going on for like 4months? that's a pretty long time to keep it hidden from limelight...


Well an idol is a full time job. When you start a career as demanding of your time and energy as working in the kpop industry why add an extra drain of time, energy, and focus? It's like any other job where smarter people tend to find their way and settle into a comfortable career path before branching into other things. If an EXO member thought that after less than a year of success after debut that they got the hang of things enough to start dating this way I'd question their mindset. I mean once you contrast that with Shinee it just looks worse.

Also from the coverage I've seen of the couple they went full retard in being discreet while out on dates. The expected outcome has arrived and now I wonder how they will each drag down their own groups. I thought the whole point of SM preferring dating within the agency was so that it would be easier to keep on the down-low.

There are plenty of people with time consuming jobs that have kids and wives. Dating is hardly near that magnitude, such a dumb cop out.

now there's an argument to be made that it'll hurt fan base, but seriously fuck that fan base that takes this kind of shit seriously.


Well my main point is that to me SM is slipping, they've always run a tighter ship than the other companies in my eyes but the last 6 months or so they've had so many messy situations come up. I agree and don't care if idols are dating or banging behind the scenes because obviously they have their own personal lives but for their managers to allow it to affect their professional image, the product which they are selling, seems weird. Anyways I'll just leave it at that.

Dating a person now affects a professional image? SNSD quit their cute concept quite a few years ago.
liftlift > tsm
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17300 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-19 22:49:11
June 19 2014 22:48 GMT
#103730
Idols pretty much live on the image of the attainable boy/girl next store. Dating (knowingly) hurts their marketability.
twitch.tv/cratonz
dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
June 19 2014 22:51 GMT
#103731
On June 20 2014 07:48 Craton wrote:
Idols pretty much live on the image of the attainable boy/girl next store. Dating (knowingly) hurts their marketability.

people actually think they are attainable? lol.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17300 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-19 22:58:29
June 19 2014 22:58 GMT
#103732
It's about the illusion of it. They portray that image because it's more relatable and appealing to the viewer and it's proven to be extremely effective.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Taku
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada2036 Posts
June 19 2014 23:02 GMT
#103733
It's funny because arguably EXO has the most to lose out of any kpop group if the suspension of disbelief is shattered. SNSD is already in a position to fade into the sunset but it's really EXO that is going to take the hit for this imo since their current structure is built around the image. Poor SM, hope their next batch of rookies works out.
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dAPhREAk
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Nauru12397 Posts
June 19 2014 23:04 GMT
#103734
On June 20 2014 07:58 Craton wrote:
It's about the illusion of it. They portray that image because it's more relatable and appealing to the viewer and it's proven to be extremely effective.

proven where?
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17300 Posts
Last Edited: 2014-06-19 23:07:11
June 19 2014 23:06 GMT
#103735
I don't expect much of an effect, if any.

On June 20 2014 08:04 dAPhREAk wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 20 2014 07:58 Craton wrote:
It's about the illusion of it. They portray that image because it's more relatable and appealing to the viewer and it's proven to be extremely effective.

proven where?

Proven by example.
twitch.tv/cratonz
andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
June 19 2014 23:23 GMT
#103736
calling it 'dehumanizing' is kind of retarded
idols are called idols for a reason - for many people, they're the ideal type of person you want to emulate/date, and the principle doubles for fans of the opposite gender
if your idol is taken, then you move on, and it inherently hurts the image of the group in the long run.

there's a major male celebrity in hong kong that secretly dated the same woman for over two decades before finally marrying in secret. ofc his story is somewhat of a hyperbole, but if you're committed to becoming a celebrity/idol, you have to just accept that your personal life is either nonexistant or extremely constricted.

that's why I've never really understood why people bash an idol/celeb for getting plastic surgery
it's their job to be in the limelight and hold up under the scrutiny of the public.
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kidleaderr
Profile Joined April 2013
368 Posts
June 19 2014 23:43 GMT
#103737
Looks like Suzy is taking the #1 spot now
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17300 Posts
June 19 2014 23:44 GMT
#103738
I just like how offended people get over idols dating.
twitch.tv/cratonz
wei2coolman
Profile Joined November 2010
United States60033 Posts
June 19 2014 23:47 GMT
#103739
On June 20 2014 08:44 Craton wrote:
I just like how offended people get over idols dating.

I find it hilarious, and oddly disturbing.
liftlift > tsm
andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
June 19 2014 23:49 GMT
#103740
muh oppuhz tho
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