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VirtuallyJesse
Profile Joined February 2011
United States398 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-18 18:41:48
June 18 2012 18:38 GMT
#59461
Why isn't this here? Time for some real music

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Purpl3
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1067 Posts
June 18 2012 18:45 GMT
#59462
On June 19 2012 03:31 Moonwrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 02:12 Nesserev wrote:
On June 19 2012 01:54 Synapze wrote:
Why is that paparazzi choreo good? The dancing looks good to me, but the choreo doesn't seem like anything special. ???

About which paparazzi are you talking ? Kan Mi Youn's I asssume:
The choreography is a mix of a lot of smart patterns with great transitions, big movements that have a smooth flow with subtle yet necessary details, plays on the song and impressive moments, yet while all of this is going on, it still manages to be clean and very entertaining for the viewer.

And that's where the problem in SNSD's papparazi's choreography lies:
It has a lot of patterns, but the transitions sometimes feel/look rather crappy, there are a bit too many dead moments. Moves don't flow that well or feel forced at times, I haven't noticed any plays on the song (which aren't necessary, but are mostly a good thing) and even though there are ample of impressive moments, there's also a lot of 'boring' moments.

Yes, it might be entertaining, but the difference between the ups and downs are very noticeable and big and due to the combinations of patterns, movements, etc. it sometimes becomes a clutter that is hard to follow for the viewer and can sometimes even be annoying.
When things are happening here and there, and she's doing that while she's doing that over there and then that, followed up by her doing that there and ... it's not really a good thing.
It comes down to what I stated in a post earlier (dat 'review'), it's a string of good ideas glued together.

On the contrary, Kan Miyoun's Paparazzi is boring choreography. That video you linked sucks. There's no variety and every single person is doing the exact same thing the entire time. Might as well be 1 person dancing.

That's why I find Jaewon and Rino's choreo so good. During the verses the members are split in parts doing separate moves, there's a lot of variety in pairings, and a ton of symmetry during solo parts. All of the separate moves come together in the chorus for a cohesive look, but it's not all nine doing the same thing for the entire song. The dance itself is also vastly more technically challenging than that horribly basic video you linked.

In the end, nobody's mind is getting changed so whatever. Either you like it or you don't, but seriously lol at you calling choreo by 2 of the best choreographers in the business bad.

Just cause you're one of the best in the business doesn't mean you're incapable of putting out shit material..
DEN1ED
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1087 Posts
June 18 2012 18:49 GMT
#59463
On June 19 2012 03:45 Purpl3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 03:31 Moonwrath wrote:
On June 19 2012 02:12 Nesserev wrote:
On June 19 2012 01:54 Synapze wrote:
Why is that paparazzi choreo good? The dancing looks good to me, but the choreo doesn't seem like anything special. ???

About which paparazzi are you talking ? Kan Mi Youn's I asssume:
The choreography is a mix of a lot of smart patterns with great transitions, big movements that have a smooth flow with subtle yet necessary details, plays on the song and impressive moments, yet while all of this is going on, it still manages to be clean and very entertaining for the viewer.

And that's where the problem in SNSD's papparazi's choreography lies:
It has a lot of patterns, but the transitions sometimes feel/look rather crappy, there are a bit too many dead moments. Moves don't flow that well or feel forced at times, I haven't noticed any plays on the song (which aren't necessary, but are mostly a good thing) and even though there are ample of impressive moments, there's also a lot of 'boring' moments.

Yes, it might be entertaining, but the difference between the ups and downs are very noticeable and big and due to the combinations of patterns, movements, etc. it sometimes becomes a clutter that is hard to follow for the viewer and can sometimes even be annoying.
When things are happening here and there, and she's doing that while she's doing that over there and then that, followed up by her doing that there and ... it's not really a good thing.
It comes down to what I stated in a post earlier (dat 'review'), it's a string of good ideas glued together.

On the contrary, Kan Miyoun's Paparazzi is boring choreography. That video you linked sucks. There's no variety and every single person is doing the exact same thing the entire time. Might as well be 1 person dancing.

That's why I find Jaewon and Rino's choreo so good. During the verses the members are split in parts doing separate moves, there's a lot of variety in pairings, and a ton of symmetry during solo parts. All of the separate moves come together in the chorus for a cohesive look, but it's not all nine doing the same thing for the entire song. The dance itself is also vastly more technically challenging than that horribly basic video you linked.

In the end, nobody's mind is getting changed so whatever. Either you like it or you don't, but seriously lol at you calling choreo by 2 of the best choreographers in the business bad.

Just cause you're one of the best in the business doesn't mean you're incapable of putting out shit material..


Ya I think moonwrath went a little too far there. That's like saying the best groups can never have a bad performance or best athletes can't have a bad game. Just because you are the best doesn't mean you are perfect.
Huggerz
Profile Joined May 2011
Great Britain919 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-18 18:52:18
June 18 2012 18:51 GMT
#59464
On June 19 2012 03:45 Purpl3 wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On June 19 2012 03:31 Moonwrath wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 02:12 Nesserev wrote:
On June 19 2012 01:54 Synapze wrote:
Why is that paparazzi choreo good? The dancing looks good to me, but the choreo doesn't seem like anything special. ???

About which paparazzi are you talking ? Kan Mi Youn's I asssume:
The choreography is a mix of a lot of smart patterns with great transitions, big movements that have a smooth flow with subtle yet necessary details, plays on the song and impressive moments, yet while all of this is going on, it still manages to be clean and very entertaining for the viewer.

And that's where the problem in SNSD's papparazi's choreography lies:
It has a lot of patterns, but the transitions sometimes feel/look rather crappy, there are a bit too many dead moments. Moves don't flow that well or feel forced at times, I haven't noticed any plays on the song (which aren't necessary, but are mostly a good thing) and even though there are ample of impressive moments, there's also a lot of 'boring' moments.

Yes, it might be entertaining, but the difference between the ups and downs are very noticeable and big and due to the combinations of patterns, movements, etc. it sometimes becomes a clutter that is hard to follow for the viewer and can sometimes even be annoying.
When things are happening here and there, and she's doing that while she's doing that over there and then that, followed up by her doing that there and ... it's not really a good thing.
It comes down to what I stated in a post earlier (dat 'review'), it's a string of good ideas glued together.

On the contrary, Kan Miyoun's Paparazzi is boring choreography. That video you linked sucks. There's no variety and every single person is doing the exact same thing the entire time. Might as well be 1 person dancing.

That's why I find Jaewon and Rino's choreo so good. During the verses the members are split in parts doing separate moves, there's a lot of variety in pairings, and a ton of symmetry during solo parts. All of the separate moves come together in the chorus for a cohesive look, but it's not all nine doing the same thing for the entire song. The dance itself is also vastly more technically challenging than that horribly basic video you linked.

In the end, nobody's mind is getting changed so whatever. Either you like it or you don't, but seriously lol at you calling choreo by 2 of the best choreographers in the business bad.

Just cause you're one of the best in the business doesn't mean you're incapable of putting out shit material..


Did you read a different paragraph or just ignore the point he was making?

Please quote the part where he claimed SM's choreography is perfect everytime lol ;s
“It's like poker. You can play your best, but you've got to know when to fold your cards and take a rest, and know when to hold your cards, hold your breath and hope that nobody else is stacking the deck."
Xenocide_Knight
Profile Blog Joined January 2008
Korea (South)2625 Posts
June 18 2012 18:55 GMT
#59465
Really, the only problem the Paparazzi choreo has is not enough Taeyeon
Shine[Kal] #1 fan
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
June 18 2012 18:55 GMT
#59466
I sense tremendous bias supporting several people's opinions here... I'll quietly back out of here before things turn ugly :s
Fawkes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada1935 Posts
June 18 2012 18:56 GMT
#59467
On June 19 2012 03:55 Xenocide_Knight wrote:
Really, the only problem the Paparazzi choreo has is not enough Taeyeon

Your desktop does not have enough Taeyeon. That's all I know about this discussion.
Taeyeon ~ Jennie ~ Seulgi ~ Irene @Fawkes711
Purpl3
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1067 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-18 19:02:32
June 18 2012 18:58 GMT
#59468
Edit:Who cares, this is why I should never open posts by people who I hide...
Fawkes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada1935 Posts
June 18 2012 19:02 GMT
#59469
Someone should teach me how to hide posts.
Taeyeon ~ Jennie ~ Seulgi ~ Irene @Fawkes711
andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-18 19:06:55
June 18 2012 19:04 GMT
#59470
On June 19 2012 02:01 Purpl3 wrote:
Epik High’s comeback is written on YG's stock market report for the second half of 2012! Prepare your butts.

highly doubt that
epik high is still under CJ ent

also itt: people who know nothing about choreo
"Zai is legitimately not as good as bulba." | kaipi ti3 champions
Huggerz
Profile Joined May 2011
Great Britain919 Posts
June 18 2012 19:04 GMT
#59471
Him laughing at you implies you're not allowed to think something? That's a pretty big stretch with some absurd logic going on. Whatever floats your boat, I guess
“It's like poker. You can play your best, but you've got to know when to fold your cards and take a rest, and know when to hold your cards, hold your breath and hope that nobody else is stacking the deck."
Hyaach
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1737 Posts
June 18 2012 19:05 GMT
#59472
I like Kan Mi Yeon's Papparazzi. The hips shaking with figure hugging clothes gets me everytime
Thailand is my new obsession
Purpl3
Profile Joined January 2011
United States1067 Posts
June 18 2012 19:06 GMT
#59473
On June 19 2012 04:02 Fawkes wrote:
Someone should teach me how to hide posts.

Maybe if you were in IRC you would have learned how.
Moonwrath
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
United States9568 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-18 19:09:04
June 18 2012 19:07 GMT
#59474
On June 19 2012 03:49 DEN1ED wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 03:45 Purpl3 wrote:
On June 19 2012 03:31 Moonwrath wrote:
On June 19 2012 02:12 Nesserev wrote:
On June 19 2012 01:54 Synapze wrote:
Why is that paparazzi choreo good? The dancing looks good to me, but the choreo doesn't seem like anything special. ???

About which paparazzi are you talking ? Kan Mi Youn's I asssume:
The choreography is a mix of a lot of smart patterns with great transitions, big movements that have a smooth flow with subtle yet necessary details, plays on the song and impressive moments, yet while all of this is going on, it still manages to be clean and very entertaining for the viewer.

And that's where the problem in SNSD's papparazi's choreography lies:
It has a lot of patterns, but the transitions sometimes feel/look rather crappy, there are a bit too many dead moments. Moves don't flow that well or feel forced at times, I haven't noticed any plays on the song (which aren't necessary, but are mostly a good thing) and even though there are ample of impressive moments, there's also a lot of 'boring' moments.

Yes, it might be entertaining, but the difference between the ups and downs are very noticeable and big and due to the combinations of patterns, movements, etc. it sometimes becomes a clutter that is hard to follow for the viewer and can sometimes even be annoying.
When things are happening here and there, and she's doing that while she's doing that over there and then that, followed up by her doing that there and ... it's not really a good thing.
It comes down to what I stated in a post earlier (dat 'review'), it's a string of good ideas glued together.

On the contrary, Kan Miyoun's Paparazzi is boring choreography. That video you linked sucks. There's no variety and every single person is doing the exact same thing the entire time. Might as well be 1 person dancing.

That's why I find Jaewon and Rino's choreo so good. During the verses the members are split in parts doing separate moves, there's a lot of variety in pairings, and a ton of symmetry during solo parts. All of the separate moves come together in the chorus for a cohesive look, but it's not all nine doing the same thing for the entire song. The dance itself is also vastly more technically challenging than that horribly basic video you linked.

In the end, nobody's mind is getting changed so whatever. Either you like it or you don't, but seriously lol at you calling choreo by 2 of the best choreographers in the business bad.

Just cause you're one of the best in the business doesn't mean you're incapable of putting out shit material..


Ya I think moonwrath went a little too far there. That's like saying the best groups can never have a bad performance or best athletes can't have a bad game. Just because you are the best doesn't mean you are perfect.

Yeah probably. I guess the point I was trying to make was that they are the best precisely because they do not put out bad material. They are consistently good with a proven track record of amazing choreography, so to say that all of a sudden one of their dances is 'horrendously bad' is pretty damn silly and just reeks of haterade/lack of understanding.
화이탱!! @moonsoshi9
Fawkes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Canada1935 Posts
June 18 2012 19:16 GMT
#59475
On June 19 2012 04:06 Purpl3 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 04:02 Fawkes wrote:
Someone should teach me how to hide posts.

Maybe if you were in IRC you would have learned how.

I have lost count the number of times I have asked this in IRC.
Taeyeon ~ Jennie ~ Seulgi ~ Irene @Fawkes711
Hyaach
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1737 Posts
June 18 2012 19:16 GMT
#59476
Did i also mention high heels, tight jeans best combo?
Thailand is my new obsession
Requizen
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States33802 Posts
June 18 2012 19:17 GMT
#59477
I think the issue here is that people have different ideas about what the word "choreography" means. On one hand, it can be used to talk about the individual moves and how they flow together, in which case KMY's is really great choreography. On the other, when talking about a group, it can also mean how the group works together to use different moves separately to make something greater than the sum of it's parts, which is something I think SNSD's videos generally do well, and the KMY one that was linked lacks because they're essentially just all doing the same dance.

Semantics and opinions, of course, but that's my $0.02
It's your boy Guzma!
nalho
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States351 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-18 19:24:38
June 18 2012 19:20 GMT
#59478
On June 19 2012 04:17 Requizen wrote:
I think the issue here is that people have different ideas about what the word "choreography" means. On one hand, it can be used to talk about the individual moves and how they flow together, in which case KMY's is really great choreography. On the other, when talking about a group, it can also mean how the group works together to use different moves separately to make something greater than the sum of it's parts, which is something I think SNSD's videos generally do well, and the KMY one that was linked lacks because they're essentially just all doing the same dance.

Semantics and opinions, of course, but that's my $0.02


and it only took 2 page for someone to finally nail it.

edit: park jung hyun released her 8th album. from the review so far seems great.
i'm jung/i translate bw sometimes
HaXXspetten
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
Sweden15718 Posts
June 18 2012 19:22 GMT
#59479
On June 19 2012 04:20 nalho wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 04:17 Requizen wrote:
I think the issue here is that people have different ideas about what the word "choreography" means. On one hand, it can be used to talk about the individual moves and how they flow together, in which case KMY's is really great choreography. On the other, when talking about a group, it can also mean how the group works together to use different moves separately to make something greater than the sum of it's parts, which is something I think SNSD's videos generally do well, and the KMY one that was linked lacks because they're essentially just all doing the same dance.

Semantics and opinions, of course, but that's my $0.02


and it only took 2 page for someone to finally nail it.

Pretty much
DEN1ED
Profile Joined December 2009
United States1087 Posts
June 18 2012 19:27 GMT
#59480
On June 19 2012 04:22 HaXXspetten wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 19 2012 04:20 nalho wrote:
On June 19 2012 04:17 Requizen wrote:
I think the issue here is that people have different ideas about what the word "choreography" means. On one hand, it can be used to talk about the individual moves and how they flow together, in which case KMY's is really great choreography. On the other, when talking about a group, it can also mean how the group works together to use different moves separately to make something greater than the sum of it's parts, which is something I think SNSD's videos generally do well, and the KMY one that was linked lacks because they're essentially just all doing the same dance.

Semantics and opinions, of course, but that's my $0.02


and it only took 2 page for someone to finally nail it.

Pretty much


Only 2 pages is pretty good for this thread lol. Usually it takes at least 10.
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