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On June 19 2012 03:31 Moonwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 02:12 Nesserev wrote:On June 19 2012 01:54 Synapze wrote:
Why is that paparazzi choreo good? The dancing looks good to me, but the choreo doesn't seem like anything special. ??? About which paparazzi are you talking ? Kan Mi Youn's I asssume: The choreography is a mix of a lot of smart patterns with great transitions, big movements that have a smooth flow with subtle yet necessary details, plays on the song and impressive moments, yet while all of this is going on, it still manages to be clean and very entertaining for the viewer. And that's where the problem in SNSD's papparazi's choreography lies: It has a lot of patterns, but the transitions sometimes feel/look rather crappy, there are a bit too many dead moments. Moves don't flow that well or feel forced at times, I haven't noticed any plays on the song (which aren't necessary, but are mostly a good thing) and even though there are ample of impressive moments, there's also a lot of 'boring' moments. Yes, it might be entertaining, but the difference between the ups and downs are very noticeable and big and due to the combinations of patterns, movements, etc. it sometimes becomes a clutter that is hard to follow for the viewer and can sometimes even be annoying. When things are happening here and there, and she's doing that while she's doing that over there and then that, followed up by her doing that there and ... it's not really a good thing. It comes down to what I stated in a post earlier (dat 'review'), it's a string of good ideas glued together. On the contrary, Kan Miyoun's Paparazzi is boring choreography. That video you linked sucks. There's no variety and every single person is doing the exact same thing the entire time. Might as well be 1 person dancing. That's why I find Jaewon and Rino's choreo so good. During the verses the members are split in parts doing separate moves, there's a lot of variety in pairings, and a ton of symmetry during solo parts. All of the separate moves come together in the chorus for a cohesive look, but it's not all nine doing the same thing for the entire song. The dance itself is also vastly more technically challenging than that horribly basic video you linked. In the end, nobody's mind is getting changed so whatever. Either you like it or you don't, but seriously lol at you calling choreo by 2 of the best choreographers in the business bad.
Just cause you're one of the best in the business doesn't mean you're incapable of putting out shit material..
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On June 19 2012 03:45 Purpl3 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 03:31 Moonwrath wrote:On June 19 2012 02:12 Nesserev wrote:On June 19 2012 01:54 Synapze wrote:
Why is that paparazzi choreo good? The dancing looks good to me, but the choreo doesn't seem like anything special. ??? About which paparazzi are you talking ? Kan Mi Youn's I asssume: The choreography is a mix of a lot of smart patterns with great transitions, big movements that have a smooth flow with subtle yet necessary details, plays on the song and impressive moments, yet while all of this is going on, it still manages to be clean and very entertaining for the viewer. And that's where the problem in SNSD's papparazi's choreography lies: It has a lot of patterns, but the transitions sometimes feel/look rather crappy, there are a bit too many dead moments. Moves don't flow that well or feel forced at times, I haven't noticed any plays on the song (which aren't necessary, but are mostly a good thing) and even though there are ample of impressive moments, there's also a lot of 'boring' moments. Yes, it might be entertaining, but the difference between the ups and downs are very noticeable and big and due to the combinations of patterns, movements, etc. it sometimes becomes a clutter that is hard to follow for the viewer and can sometimes even be annoying. When things are happening here and there, and she's doing that while she's doing that over there and then that, followed up by her doing that there and ... it's not really a good thing. It comes down to what I stated in a post earlier (dat 'review'), it's a string of good ideas glued together. On the contrary, Kan Miyoun's Paparazzi is boring choreography. That video you linked sucks. There's no variety and every single person is doing the exact same thing the entire time. Might as well be 1 person dancing. That's why I find Jaewon and Rino's choreo so good. During the verses the members are split in parts doing separate moves, there's a lot of variety in pairings, and a ton of symmetry during solo parts. All of the separate moves come together in the chorus for a cohesive look, but it's not all nine doing the same thing for the entire song. The dance itself is also vastly more technically challenging than that horribly basic video you linked. In the end, nobody's mind is getting changed so whatever. Either you like it or you don't, but seriously lol at you calling choreo by 2 of the best choreographers in the business bad. Just cause you're one of the best in the business doesn't mean you're incapable of putting out shit material..
Ya I think moonwrath went a little too far there. That's like saying the best groups can never have a bad performance or best athletes can't have a bad game. Just because you are the best doesn't mean you are perfect.
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On June 19 2012 03:45 Purpl3 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 19 2012 03:31 Moonwrath wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 02:12 Nesserev wrote:On June 19 2012 01:54 Synapze wrote:
Why is that paparazzi choreo good? The dancing looks good to me, but the choreo doesn't seem like anything special. ??? About which paparazzi are you talking ? Kan Mi Youn's I asssume: The choreography is a mix of a lot of smart patterns with great transitions, big movements that have a smooth flow with subtle yet necessary details, plays on the song and impressive moments, yet while all of this is going on, it still manages to be clean and very entertaining for the viewer. And that's where the problem in SNSD's papparazi's choreography lies: It has a lot of patterns, but the transitions sometimes feel/look rather crappy, there are a bit too many dead moments. Moves don't flow that well or feel forced at times, I haven't noticed any plays on the song (which aren't necessary, but are mostly a good thing) and even though there are ample of impressive moments, there's also a lot of 'boring' moments. Yes, it might be entertaining, but the difference between the ups and downs are very noticeable and big and due to the combinations of patterns, movements, etc. it sometimes becomes a clutter that is hard to follow for the viewer and can sometimes even be annoying. When things are happening here and there, and she's doing that while she's doing that over there and then that, followed up by her doing that there and ... it's not really a good thing. It comes down to what I stated in a post earlier (dat 'review'), it's a string of good ideas glued together. On the contrary, Kan Miyoun's Paparazzi is boring choreography. That video you linked sucks. There's no variety and every single person is doing the exact same thing the entire time. Might as well be 1 person dancing. That's why I find Jaewon and Rino's choreo so good. During the verses the members are split in parts doing separate moves, there's a lot of variety in pairings, and a ton of symmetry during solo parts. All of the separate moves come together in the chorus for a cohesive look, but it's not all nine doing the same thing for the entire song. The dance itself is also vastly more technically challenging than that horribly basic video you linked. In the end, nobody's mind is getting changed so whatever. Either you like it or you don't, but seriously lol at you calling choreo by 2 of the best choreographers in the business bad. Just cause you're one of the best in the business doesn't mean you're incapable of putting out shit material..
Did you read a different paragraph or just ignore the point he was making?
Please quote the part where he claimed SM's choreography is perfect everytime lol ;s
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Really, the only problem the Paparazzi choreo has is not enough Taeyeon
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I sense tremendous bias supporting several people's opinions here... I'll quietly back out of here before things turn ugly :s
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On June 19 2012 03:55 Xenocide_Knight wrote:
Really, the only problem the Paparazzi choreo has is not enough Taeyeon
Your desktop does not have enough Taeyeon. That's all I know about this discussion.
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Edit:Who cares, this is why I should never open posts by people who I hide...
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Someone should teach me how to hide posts.
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On June 19 2012 02:01 Purpl3 wrote:
Epik High’s comeback is written on YG's stock market report for the second half of 2012! Prepare your butts.
highly doubt that
epik high is still under CJ ent
also itt: people who know nothing about choreo
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Him laughing at you implies you're not allowed to think something? That's a pretty big stretch with some absurd logic going on. Whatever floats your boat, I guess
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I like Kan Mi Yeon's Papparazzi. The hips shaking with figure hugging clothes gets me everytime
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On June 19 2012 04:02 Fawkes wrote:
Someone should teach me how to hide posts.
Maybe if you were in IRC you would have learned how.
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On June 19 2012 03:49 DEN1ED wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 03:45 Purpl3 wrote:On June 19 2012 03:31 Moonwrath wrote:On June 19 2012 02:12 Nesserev wrote:On June 19 2012 01:54 Synapze wrote:
Why is that paparazzi choreo good? The dancing looks good to me, but the choreo doesn't seem like anything special. ??? About which paparazzi are you talking ? Kan Mi Youn's I asssume: The choreography is a mix of a lot of smart patterns with great transitions, big movements that have a smooth flow with subtle yet necessary details, plays on the song and impressive moments, yet while all of this is going on, it still manages to be clean and very entertaining for the viewer. And that's where the problem in SNSD's papparazi's choreography lies: It has a lot of patterns, but the transitions sometimes feel/look rather crappy, there are a bit too many dead moments. Moves don't flow that well or feel forced at times, I haven't noticed any plays on the song (which aren't necessary, but are mostly a good thing) and even though there are ample of impressive moments, there's also a lot of 'boring' moments. Yes, it might be entertaining, but the difference between the ups and downs are very noticeable and big and due to the combinations of patterns, movements, etc. it sometimes becomes a clutter that is hard to follow for the viewer and can sometimes even be annoying. When things are happening here and there, and she's doing that while she's doing that over there and then that, followed up by her doing that there and ... it's not really a good thing. It comes down to what I stated in a post earlier (dat 'review'), it's a string of good ideas glued together. On the contrary, Kan Miyoun's Paparazzi is boring choreography. That video you linked sucks. There's no variety and every single person is doing the exact same thing the entire time. Might as well be 1 person dancing. That's why I find Jaewon and Rino's choreo so good. During the verses the members are split in parts doing separate moves, there's a lot of variety in pairings, and a ton of symmetry during solo parts. All of the separate moves come together in the chorus for a cohesive look, but it's not all nine doing the same thing for the entire song. The dance itself is also vastly more technically challenging than that horribly basic video you linked. In the end, nobody's mind is getting changed so whatever. Either you like it or you don't, but seriously lol at you calling choreo by 2 of the best choreographers in the business bad. Just cause you're one of the best in the business doesn't mean you're incapable of putting out shit material.. Ya I think moonwrath went a little too far there. That's like saying the best groups can never have a bad performance or best athletes can't have a bad game. Just because you are the best doesn't mean you are perfect.
Yeah probably. I guess the point I was trying to make was that they are the best precisely because they do not put out bad material. They are consistently good with a proven track record of amazing choreography, so to say that all of a sudden one of their dances is 'horrendously bad' is pretty damn silly and just reeks of haterade/lack of understanding.
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On June 19 2012 04:06 Purpl3 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 04:02 Fawkes wrote:
Someone should teach me how to hide posts. Maybe if you were in IRC you would have learned how.
I have lost count the number of times I have asked this in IRC.
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Did i also mention high heels, tight jeans best combo?
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I think the issue here is that people have different ideas about what the word "choreography" means. On one hand, it can be used to talk about the individual moves and how they flow together, in which case KMY's is really great choreography. On the other, when talking about a group, it can also mean how the group works together to use different moves separately to make something greater than the sum of it's parts, which is something I think SNSD's videos generally do well, and the KMY one that was linked lacks because they're essentially just all doing the same dance.
Semantics and opinions, of course, but that's my $0.02
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On June 19 2012 04:17 Requizen wrote:
I think the issue here is that people have different ideas about what the word "choreography" means. On one hand, it can be used to talk about the individual moves and how they flow together, in which case KMY's is really great choreography. On the other, when talking about a group, it can also mean how the group works together to use different moves separately to make something greater than the sum of it's parts, which is something I think SNSD's videos generally do well, and the KMY one that was linked lacks because they're essentially just all doing the same dance.
Semantics and opinions, of course, but that's my $0.02
and it only took 2 page for someone to finally nail it.
edit: park jung hyun released her 8th album. from the review so far seems great.
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On June 19 2012 04:20 nalho wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 04:17 Requizen wrote:
I think the issue here is that people have different ideas about what the word "choreography" means. On one hand, it can be used to talk about the individual moves and how they flow together, in which case KMY's is really great choreography. On the other, when talking about a group, it can also mean how the group works together to use different moves separately to make something greater than the sum of it's parts, which is something I think SNSD's videos generally do well, and the KMY one that was linked lacks because they're essentially just all doing the same dance.
Semantics and opinions, of course, but that's my $0.02 and it only took 2 page for someone to finally nail it.
Pretty much
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On June 19 2012 04:22 HaXXspetten wrote:Show nested quote +On June 19 2012 04:20 nalho wrote:On June 19 2012 04:17 Requizen wrote:
I think the issue here is that people have different ideas about what the word "choreography" means. On one hand, it can be used to talk about the individual moves and how they flow together, in which case KMY's is really great choreography. On the other, when talking about a group, it can also mean how the group works together to use different moves separately to make something greater than the sum of it's parts, which is something I think SNSD's videos generally do well, and the KMY one that was linked lacks because they're essentially just all doing the same dance.
Semantics and opinions, of course, but that's my $0.02 and it only took 2 page for someone to finally nail it. Pretty much
Only 2 pages is pretty good for this thread lol. Usually it takes at least 10.
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