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NationInArms
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
United States1553 Posts
November 06 2011 22:19 GMT
#36801
Can someone tell me what MR means?
BW for life | Fantasy, MMA, SlayerS_Boxer | Taengoo! n_n | "Lelouch vi Britannia commands you! Obey me, subjects! OBEY ME, WORLD!" | <3 Emi
karpo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1998 Posts
November 06 2011 22:20 GMT
#36802
Could someone more familiar with korean culture tell me why two idols in their 20's dating turns into a huge scandal with antifans etc.? Seems like it happens from time to time and i find it so weird that it's considered such a big deal.
zyzq
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3123 Posts
November 06 2011 22:21 GMT
#36803
VIPs are no joke, only ELFs are more crazy.
Ym1r
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1164 Posts
November 06 2011 22:23 GMT
#36804
MR is music removed or something like that, where any background noises are minimized and bring out the full vocals of the singers. It isn't a great benchmark and most of the videos that are out there are cherry picked.
im ji geum - ellin - eunji - spica - a pink - naeun - sojinyura - HAERYUNG<3 - Red Velvet
zyzq
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3123 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-06 22:25:30
November 06 2011 22:24 GMT
#36805
On November 07 2011 07:20 karpo wrote:
Could someone more familiar with korean culture tell me why two idols in their 20's dating turns into a huge scandal with antifans etc.? Seems like it happens from time to time and i find it so weird that it's considered such a big deal.


fangirls get angry when their oppars are seen interacting with other females. doesn't help that kpop fans mostly consist of 12-18 year old girls.
Ym1r
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1164 Posts
November 06 2011 22:29 GMT
#36806
http://www.soompi.com/news/anti-fans-and-their-power-in-the-music-industry

If you haven't read it yet you should. Shit is pretty crazy, from girls using their blood from their period to write messages, to actually cutting themselves (wrist, neck). Creepy as hell man creepy as hell.
im ji geum - ellin - eunji - spica - a pink - naeun - sojinyura - HAERYUNG<3 - Red Velvet
chiwawa
Profile Joined April 2011
330 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-06 22:30:54
November 06 2011 22:30 GMT
#36807

So i'm kind of surprised that GD chose to speak in korean instead of english in his speech. But seriously any of the bigger Kpop groups would have won in that award because all of them got pretty dedicated fans that actually would bother to vote.
시카
Sableyeah
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands2119 Posts
November 06 2011 22:31 GMT
#36808
MR removed aren't always the good way to determine their skill, but people like it somehow. It's not really accurate, should use the album version but then that's recorded. Upbeat dance music should never be MR.

Sixsense rocked the MR tho :D


Anyways, I can stare at Hwang Mi Hee all day... http://www.tumblr.com/tagged/hwang mi hee yes, this is my homepage now.
BoA | Sunny | HyunA | ChoA | Hyemi // Preoccupied with a single leaf, you won't see the tree. Preoccupied with a single tree and you will miss the entire f0rest - Takuan Soho
Ym1r
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1164 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-06 22:34:13
November 06 2011 22:32 GMT
#36809
Kim Ha Yul > Hwang Mi Hee imo.

http://reallycuteasians.com/tag/kim-ha-yul/
im ji geum - ellin - eunji - spica - a pink - naeun - sojinyura - HAERYUNG<3 - Red Velvet
Spekulatius
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany2413 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-06 22:42:53
November 06 2011 22:37 GMT
#36810
On November 07 2011 07:20 karpo wrote:
Could someone more familiar with korean culture tell me why two idols in their 20's dating turns into a huge scandal with antifans etc.? Seems like it happens from time to time and i find it so weird that it's considered such a big deal.

There's a tradition of giving and receiving in asian culture. As a hardcore fan, you're supposed to support your group by buying albums, going to concerts, cheering for your idols, wishing them to do well and in general, suffer with them in bad times and enjoy their success with them in good times. In return for that emotional involvement fans can expect some quid pro quo from their idols. Basically that means they have to behave in a way the fans want them to: put in the effort to look good, act nice toward their fans, perform without showing they're tired or bored, report on their daily lifes by twitters and appearing on shows etc. That idea seems to contain the principle that the idols belong to noone but their fans. And having a relationship is taking attention away from the fans as it is a complete engagement towards a third person. Fans don't like that and act accordingly.

edit: I just saw you referred to antifans. I'm kinda clueless in that regard, I don't know what their deal is anyway. Maybe the article linked above can clarify that although having read it, I see they don't have an explanation either.

On November 07 2011 07:29 Ym1r wrote:
http://www.soompi.com/news/anti-fans-and-their-power-in-the-music-industry

If you haven't read it yet you should. Shit is pretty crazy, from girls using their blood from their period to write messages, to actually cutting themselves (wrist, neck). Creepy as hell man creepy as hell.
Always smile~
gokai
Profile Blog Joined August 2004
United States812 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-06 22:40:02
November 06 2011 22:38 GMT
#36811
Isn't Block B one of the more unpopular rookie boy band in Korea? They seem to be overshadowed by b1a4 and Boyfriend. So it makes sense they weren't nominated for the MAMA.

And haha, Woohyun is pretty weak as a standalone vocalist. I'm a fan of Infinite and I gotta admit I can't stand to listen to him most of the time on IS2. But as part of Infinite he does his job well though.
zyzq
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3123 Posts
November 06 2011 22:40 GMT
#36812
The more I see of Leeteuk in WGM, the more I think he's one of the biggest douchebags in KPop.
karpo
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden1998 Posts
November 06 2011 22:46 GMT
#36813
On November 07 2011 07:37 Spekulatius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2011 07:20 karpo wrote:
Could someone more familiar with korean culture tell me why two idols in their 20's dating turns into a huge scandal with antifans etc.? Seems like it happens from time to time and i find it so weird that it's considered such a big deal.

There's a tradition of giving and receiving in asian culture. As a hardcore fan, you're supposed to support your group by buying albums, going to concerts, cheering for your idols, wishing them to do well and in general, suffer with them in bad times and enjoy their success with them in good times. In return for that emotional involvement fans can expect some quid pro quo from their idols. Basically that means they have to behave in a way the fans want them to: put in the effort to look good, act nice toward their fans, perform without showing they're tired or bored, report on their daily lifes by twitters and appearing on shows etc. That idea seems to contain the principle that the idols belong to noone but their fans. And having a relationship is taking attention away from the fans as it is a complete engagement towards a third person. Fans don't like that and act accordingly.

edit: I just saw you referred to antifans. I'm kinda clueless in that regard, I don't know what their deal is anyway. Maybe the article linked above can clarify that although having read it, I see they don't have an explanation either.

Show nested quote +
On November 07 2011 07:29 Ym1r wrote:
http://www.soompi.com/news/anti-fans-and-their-power-in-the-music-industry

If you haven't read it yet you should. Shit is pretty crazy, from girls using their blood from their period to write messages, to actually cutting themselves (wrist, neck). Creepy as hell man creepy as hell.


Sound messed up overall. Seems like idols don't really live real lives at all then, just fake ones where they play their role? Even big hollywood stars aren't treated like that...
Spekulatius
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany2413 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-06 22:53:57
November 06 2011 22:49 GMT
#36814
On November 07 2011 07:46 karpo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2011 07:37 Spekulatius wrote:
On November 07 2011 07:20 karpo wrote:
Could someone more familiar with korean culture tell me why two idols in their 20's dating turns into a huge scandal with antifans etc.? Seems like it happens from time to time and i find it so weird that it's considered such a big deal.

There's a tradition of giving and receiving in asian culture. As a hardcore fan, you're supposed to support your group by buying albums, going to concerts, cheering for your idols, wishing them to do well and in general, suffer with them in bad times and enjoy their success with them in good times. In return for that emotional involvement fans can expect some quid pro quo from their idols. Basically that means they have to behave in a way the fans want them to: put in the effort to look good, act nice toward their fans, perform without showing they're tired or bored, report on their daily lifes by twitters and appearing on shows etc. That idea seems to contain the principle that the idols belong to noone but their fans. And having a relationship is taking attention away from the fans as it is a complete engagement towards a third person. Fans don't like that and act accordingly.

edit: I just saw you referred to antifans. I'm kinda clueless in that regard, I don't know what their deal is anyway. Maybe the article linked above can clarify that although having read it, I see they don't have an explanation either.

On November 07 2011 07:29 Ym1r wrote:
http://www.soompi.com/news/anti-fans-and-their-power-in-the-music-industry

If you haven't read it yet you should. Shit is pretty crazy, from girls using their blood from their period to write messages, to actually cutting themselves (wrist, neck). Creepy as hell man creepy as hell.


Sound messed up overall. Seems like idols don't really live real lives at all then, just fake ones where they play their role? Even big hollywood stars aren't treated like that...


Sad but true. They have to fulfill a certain image and they work their asses off for it. Without their image, they're nothing. That's where a lot of taboos come from: promiscuity, drugs, lazyness, or disrespectful behavior are looked down upon. And newspapers (or AKP) don't hesitate to post anything that could cause a scandal.

And yea, Pete Doherty would laugh at that.
Always smile~
andyrau
Profile Joined December 2010
13015 Posts
November 06 2011 22:56 GMT
#36815
On November 07 2011 05:33 zyzq wrote:
It was pretty well-known that T-ara was one of the least talented groups in KPOP.


LOL you're kidding right? or did you spell "most" wrong?
"Zai is legitimately not as good as bulba." | kaipi ti3 champions
koreasilver
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
9109 Posts
November 06 2011 22:59 GMT
#36816
On November 07 2011 07:20 karpo wrote:
Could someone more familiar with korean culture tell me why two idols in their 20's dating turns into a huge scandal with antifans etc.? Seems like it happens from time to time and i find it so weird that it's considered such a big deal.

Because people are fucking crazy.

I honestly don't know how else to talk about contemporary Korean culture.
Ym1r
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1164 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-11-06 23:01:24
November 06 2011 23:00 GMT
#36817
Korean media has always been a great way to establish a bond with our idols, people feel like they personally know each and every one in the industry because they partake in shows that bring out their personalities (or just personas). In turn people believe they are tied to them. This is especially in girls who are fans, most of them will believe they are the only ones who are right for their "oppa." When they are seen with other girls (particularly celebrities) they go pretty crazy. Two things could happen to them, become an anti-fan of the person they are dating, or just hate your idol for making a bad choice. While some can be reasonable, sadly the majority is not. For a small example Leetuek's We Got Married with Kang Sora. The first episode showed the fans unable to accept his marriage, even though it is virtual.

As for their images, they have to be maintained, slight issues such as manners are looked at and nitpicked pretty hard. e.g. Tiffany's American manners, or T-aras stage manners. They are even criticized for their facial expressions. (Yoona and Taeyeon at MTV interview)
im ji geum - ellin - eunji - spica - a pink - naeun - sojinyura - HAERYUNG<3 - Red Velvet
TuElite
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Canada2123 Posts
November 06 2011 23:00 GMT
#36818
That article is sickening. Damn.
Always Smile - Jung Nicole - Follow Nicole on Twitter @_911007 and me @TuElite
Ym1r
Profile Joined May 2009
United States1164 Posts
November 06 2011 23:01 GMT
#36819
Yeah those girls that were cutting themselves gave me the creeps.
im ji geum - ellin - eunji - spica - a pink - naeun - sojinyura - HAERYUNG<3 - Red Velvet
zyzq
Profile Joined February 2011
United States3123 Posts
November 06 2011 23:04 GMT
#36820
On November 07 2011 07:56 andyrau wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 07 2011 05:33 zyzq wrote:
It was pretty well-known that T-ara was one of the least talented groups in KPOP.


LOL you're kidding right? or did you spell "most" wrong?


I'm sorry, but T-ara is never gonna amaze anyone with their dancing or vocals.
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