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On March 01 2011 20:40 frodoguy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2011 20:23 Hyaach wrote:
Leon got fined the most and SME's amount wasn't stated? Allkpop is biased to SME. Pretty obvious why. They are huge fans of SM artists and that is something i noticed over the years reading their articles.
It has nothing to do with fanboyism and has to do with the article itself. You realize that allkpop doesn't write these articles, right? All they do is translate the Korean ones.
As for why they are "huge fans" of SM artists, when SM has the most popular as well as the most idols in the scene, they're bound to have more exposure obviously.
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On March 01 2011 23:23 DarkOptik wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2011 20:40 frodoguy wrote:On March 01 2011 20:23 Hyaach wrote:
Leon got fined the most and SME's amount wasn't stated? Allkpop is biased to SME. Pretty obvious why. They are huge fans of SM artists and that is something i noticed over the years reading their articles. It has nothing to do with fanboyism and has to do with the article itself. You realize that allkpop doesn't write these articles, right? All they do is translate the Korean ones. As for why they are "huge fans" of SM artists, when SM has the most popular as well as the most idols in the scene, they're bound to have more exposure obviously.
They translate it and tamper with the translated articles to their likings every now and then (i.e a certain type of emotion that they want to evoke). Korean media is very neutral. Its hardly misleading, also disregards groundless rumours (unless a lot of people are talking about it). Now compare that with akp ; tends to put up articles that evoke unwarranted emotions and this is done through rumours that according to them have "surfaced on the net".
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Hrm? and the way allkpop choose to translate/express the articles has anything to do with favoritism towards SM.
Probably more for their ads revenue.
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In this case, as far as I can tell sm's amount fined wasn't listed in the original as well so it's not bias on their part.
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On March 01 2011 20:40 frodoguy wrote:
Allkpop is biased to SME. Pretty obvious why. They are huge fans of SM artists and that is something i noticed over the years reading their articles.
I find this comment fairly funny since there are exactly two (2) SM fans amongst the senior writing staff. Demographically speaking, the biggest slice of fandom among the staff would probably be the T-ara and Secret fans, closely followed by fans of various JYP groups; miss A and 2PM come to mind.
The landscape may have shifted with regard to the new influx of writers from the recent batch of hiring, but the senior staff remains fairly static.
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On March 02 2011 02:30 silverfire wrote:Show nested quote +On March 01 2011 20:40 frodoguy wrote:
Allkpop is biased to SME. Pretty obvious why. They are huge fans of SM artists and that is something i noticed over the years reading their articles. I find this comment fairly funny since there are exactly two (2) SM fans amongst the senior writing staff. Demographically speaking, the biggest slice of fandom among the staff would probably be the T-ara and Secret fans, closely followed by fans of various JYP groups; miss A and 2PM come to mind. The landscape may have shifted with regard to the new influx of writers from the recent batch of hiring, but the senior staff remains fairly static.
Doesn't matter who, your writers suck.
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Kara never needs to go back to Korea again.
On February 23rd, KARA released their “KARA BEST CLIPS” DVD and Oricon has just updated their weekly DVD ranking chart showing KARA at the top with 132,132 sales.
This DVD is selling for $38.49 (Normal Edition) and $49.49 (Limited Edition). They include 11 old Kara performances from Music Bank, Music Core, and Inkigayo at 640*480 resolution.
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In fact, they shouldn't go back to Korea since they're losing out on potential money in Japan as long as they're back there. Not to mention they have no hold on the Korean market anyways.
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On March 02 2011 06:02 DarkOptik wrote:
In fact, they shouldn't go back to Korea since they're losing out on potential money in Japan as long as they're back there. Not to mention they have no hold on the Korean market anyways.
Definitely not true, kara is one of the bigger groups in Korea as well as japan. Also, prices for shit in japan are ridiculous.
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Definitely not true. Lupin had twenty percent of the sales that Oh! had. Know how many that is? 20,000. They're selling DVDs that number in the 130,000. The fact that it is priced incredibly high yet still sell that many is proof that KARA should from a business standpoint never go back to Korea.
EDIT: There really isn't much you can argue with me on this. I already made a huge post about it a while back explaining why groups shouldn't spend time in Korea if they want to make money IF they're successful in Japan. It just isn't worth it.
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On March 02 2011 06:15 DystopiaX wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2011 06:02 DarkOptik wrote:
In fact, they shouldn't go back to Korea since they're losing out on potential money in Japan as long as they're back there. Not to mention they have no hold on the Korean market anyways. Definitely not true, kara is one of the bigger groups in Korea as well as japan. Also, prices for shit in japan are ridiculous.
An argument can be made that Kara is the 2nd most popular Girl Group in Korea. However the distance from #1 to #2 is so great. The distance from #1 to #2 is greater than the distance from #2 to #6.
DSP must really be thinking about making Kara work in Japan fulltime after the lawsuit is over. They just released a DVD with no effort and it's revenues are greater than a couple years of work in Korea.
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On March 02 2011 06:18 DarkOptik wrote:
Definitely not true. Lupin had twenty percent of the sales that Oh! had. Know how many that is? 20,000. They're selling DVDs that number in the 130,000. The fact that it is priced incredibly high yet still sell that many is proof that KARA should from a business standpoint never go back to Korea.
If you can make it in japan, sure. It's not because theyre more popular on japan but because japan is just an exponetially larger market. You seem to think that Korea and japan are similar in terms of music sales, which is definitely not true. Also, from what I've heard album sales is like the smallest part of their income, so the fact that they sell more in japan doesn't matter as much as the factthat they can get much bigger appearances on tv shows, endorsements, etc. Basically, they should do both, but hinging all your bets on japan may not be such a good idea when no one (to my knowledge) has stopped promoting in Korea and focused only overseas successfully; a big part of that 100k sales is probably also imports to Korea, since fans will buy all their shit, and a smaller fraction to other places as well.
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On March 02 2011 06:18 DarkOptik wrote:
Definitely not true. Lupin had twenty percent of the sales that Oh! had. Know how many that is? 20,000. They're selling DVDs that number in the 130,000. The fact that it is priced incredibly high yet still sell that many is proof that KARA should from a business standpoint never go back to Korea.
EDIT: There really isn't much you can argue with me on this. I already made a huge post about it a while back explaining why groups shouldn't spend time in Korea if they want to make money IF they're successful in Japan. It just isn't worth it.
Lupin sold 64k copies..........
Charts Album Artist Representative Sales
1 `Super Junior (BONAMANA)` The 4th Album Super Junior SM Entertainment 200,193
2 The Second Album 'Oh!' Girls SM Entertainment 197,934
3 'Heh (Hoot)' The 3rd Mini Album Girls SM Entertainment 163,066
4 `RunDevilRun` Girls SM Entertainment 136,851
5 GD & TOP Vol.1 album GD & TOP Mnet Media 130,000
6 The 2nd Album 'LUCIFER' Shiny SM Entertainment 124,961
7 To Anyone 2NE1 Mnet Media 122,845
8 The Beginning JYJ Warner Music 99,903
9 The 4th Album Repackage 'Super Junior' Super Junior SM Entertainment 99,355
10 The Beginning (New Limited Edition) JYJ Warner Music 98,311
11 The Beginning (Luxury Package) JYJ Warner Music 92,649
12 Mini Album 1 Home 'Bluetory' CN Blue Mnet Media 77,183
13 Sungkyunkwan Scandal OST Various Artists Warner Music 76,951
14 Still 2:00 pm (EP) 2PM Roenenteoteinmeonteu 72,966
15 2nd Mini Album 'Bluelove' CN Blue (CNBLUE) Mnet Media 71,468
16 3rd Mini Album 'Lupin (Lupin)' Kara (KARA) Mnet Media 64,782
17 Hello'SHINeeThe2ndAlbum Repackage Shiny (SHINee) SM Entertainment 63,118
18 Mini Album Destination (EP) SS501 Mnet Media 61,918
19 Shock Of The New Era Beast (Beast) Universal Music 59,868
20 3rd Single Don `t Stop Can` t Stop 2PM Roenenteoteinmeonteu 57,873
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On March 02 2011 05:58 T.O.P. wrote:Kara never needs to go back to Korea again. Show nested quote +On February 23rd, KARA released their “KARA BEST CLIPS” DVD and Oricon has just updated their weekly DVD ranking chart showing KARA at the top with 132,132 sales. This DVD is selling for $38.49 (Normal Edition) and $49.49 (Limited Edition). They include 11 old Kara performances from Music Bank, Music Core, and Inkigayo at 640*480 resolution.
640*480 resolution.
oh wow guess anything sells well in japan these days.
damn tentacles
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On March 02 2011 06:29 T.O.P. wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2011 06:18 DarkOptik wrote:
Definitely not true. Lupin had twenty percent of the sales that Oh! had. Know how many that is? 20,000. They're selling DVDs that number in the 130,000. The fact that it is priced incredibly high yet still sell that many is proof that KARA should from a business standpoint never go back to Korea.
EDIT: There really isn't much you can argue with me on this. I already made a huge post about it a while back explaining why groups shouldn't spend time in Korea if they want to make money IF they're successful in Japan. It just isn't worth it. Lupin sold 64k copies.......... Charts Album Artist Representative Sales 1 `Super Junior (BONAMANA)` The 4th Album Super Junior SM Entertainment 200,193 2 The Second Album 'Oh!' Girls SM Entertainment 197,934 3 'Heh (Hoot)' The 3rd Mini Album Girls SM Entertainment 163,066 4 `RunDevilRun` Girls SM Entertainment 136,851 5 GD & TOP Vol.1 album GD & TOP Mnet Media 130,000 6 The 2nd Album 'LUCIFER' Shiny SM Entertainment 124,961 7 To Anyone 2NE1 Mnet Media 122,845 8 The Beginning JYJ Warner Music 99,903 9 The 4th Album Repackage 'Super Junior' Super Junior SM Entertainment 99,355 10 The Beginning (New Limited Edition) JYJ Warner Music 98,311 11 The Beginning (Luxury Package) JYJ Warner Music 92,649 12 Mini Album 1 Home 'Bluetory' CN Blue Mnet Media 77,183 13 Sungkyunkwan Scandal OST Various Artists Warner Music 76,951 14 Still 2:00 pm (EP) 2PM Roenenteoteinmeonteu 72,966 15 2nd Mini Album 'Bluelove' CN Blue (CNBLUE) Mnet Media 71,468 16 3rd Mini Album 'Lupin (Lupin)' Kara (KARA) Mnet Media 64,782 17 Hello'SHINeeThe2ndAlbum Repackage Shiny (SHINee) SM Entertainment 63,118 18 Mini Album Destination (EP) SS501 Mnet Media 61,918 19 Shock Of The New Era Beast (Beast) Universal Music 59,868 20 3rd Single Don `t Stop Can` t Stop 2PM Roenenteoteinmeonteu 57,873
My apologies, I was looking at the half-year report. Regardless, my point stands. That's a pretty low number in the grand scheme of things.
On March 02 2011 06:25 DystopiaX wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2011 06:18 DarkOptik wrote:
Definitely not true. Lupin had twenty percent of the sales that Oh! had. Know how many that is? 20,000. They're selling DVDs that number in the 130,000. The fact that it is priced incredibly high yet still sell that many is proof that KARA should from a business standpoint never go back to Korea. If you can make it in japan, sure. It's not because theyre more popular on japan but because japan is just an exponetially larger market. You seem to think that Korea and japan are similar in terms of music sales, which is definitely not true. Also, from what I've heard album sales is like the smallest part of their income, so the fact that they sell more in japan doesn't matter as much as the factthat they can get much bigger appearances on tv shows, endorsements, etc. Basically, they should do both, but hinging all your bets on japan may not be such a good idea when no one (to my knowledge) has stopped promoting in Korea and focused only overseas successfully; a big part of that 100k sales is probably also imports to Korea, since fans will buy all their shit, and a smaller fraction to other places as well.
What? You don't seem to understand. KARA is making much more money off of anything in Japan than they are in Korea. How many KARA CFs or endorsements have you seen in the past year? There haven't been all that many frankly speaking. They simply aren't as popular in Korea. But they've been casted in a drama in Japan already, they've done numerous CFs, etc. etc, and that's simply how it is.
And what do you mean if they can make it in Japan? They ARE. They are far more successful in Japan than they are in Korea in almost all aspects.
In fact, I again already talked about this. If you're only talking about net monetary gain, it is MUCH better to be high tier in Japan than even number one in Korea, just because being high end in Japan gets you so much more money. Have you looked at the numbers they've gotten from Japan? It is incredible, and it's many times over what they have earned in Korea without a doubt.
Here:
As for KARA and Japan, what that picture shows is that the market is indeed many times bigger in Japan than it is in Korea, and therefore, there is much more potential for making money. In that regard, it is much more profitable to promote in Japan than it is to promote in Korea, and by that value chart, it shows that it doesn't matter if you're the most popular in Korea anymore because having a decent market share in Japan overshadows that by many times. As a result, successful promotion (which is a deserving title for KARA thus far) in Japan has yielded much higher numbers than any possible in Korea. If you look at that allkpop article about how much SNSD and KARA have made, you would see that it is approximately 15 billion and 10 billion Japanese yen. This correlates to 204 billion Korean won and 135 billion Korean won respectively. This is far, far more than SNSD has earned in Korea (and they're undoubtedly the biggest earners in Korea). For example, this article: http://www.allkpop.com/2010/05/sm-entertainment-scores-with-snsd-and-super-juniorshows that from SUJU and SNSD, SM got approximately 22 billion won. This is only from half a year however, so let's double that (even though they stopped promoting really and the album sales from the first half dwarfed that from the latter), to have net gain from SUJU and SNSD to be 45 billion won. Notice that SNSD alone in Japan for like four months has out-grossed SUJU's and SNSD's entire year-round sales in Korea by 3 times.
EDIT2: Also, you must realize that album sales a lot of the time are indicative of how popular a group is. How popular a group is also reflects on how many endorsements/CFs they get. Look at the chart-toppers of 2010. They are understandably the biggest names in Kpop and get the most deals: Big Bang, JYJ, SNSD, Super Junior, etc. KARA isn't even close.
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On March 02 2011 06:25 DystopiaX wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2011 06:18 DarkOptik wrote:
Definitely not true. Lupin had twenty percent of the sales that Oh! had. Know how many that is? 20,000. They're selling DVDs that number in the 130,000. The fact that it is priced incredibly high yet still sell that many is proof that KARA should from a business standpoint never go back to Korea. If you can make it in japan, sure. It's not because theyre more popular on japan but because japan is just an exponetially larger market. You seem to think that Korea and japan are similar in terms of music sales, which is definitely not true. Also, from what I've heard album sales is like the smallest part of their income, so the fact that they sell more in japan doesn't matter as much as the factthat they can get much bigger appearances on tv shows, endorsements, etc. Basically, they should do both, but hinging all your bets on japan may not be such a good idea when no one (to my knowledge) has stopped promoting in Korea and focused only overseas successfully; a big part of that 100k sales is probably also imports to Korea, since fans will buy all their shit, and a smaller fraction to other places as well.
I agree but with a slightly different view. Korea isn't a growing market but a shrinking one. I mean shrinking by projected population growth. So record/media companies trying to get a foothold in countries that are growing and growing at a fast rate is a smart business decision. The Zainichi and Chōsenkei Koreans that mostly reside in or around Osaka are the main target audience for record sales, dvd purchases etc for the Korean market. The rest is assimilation.
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On March 02 2011 06:21 T.O.P. wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2011 06:15 DystopiaX wrote:On March 02 2011 06:02 DarkOptik wrote:
In fact, they shouldn't go back to Korea since they're losing out on potential money in Japan as long as they're back there. Not to mention they have no hold on the Korean market anyways. Definitely not true, kara is one of the bigger groups in Korea as well as japan. Also, prices for shit in japan are ridiculous. However the distance from #1 to #2 is so great. The distance from #1 to #2 is greater than the distance from #2 to #6. .
How can you be so sure? Source? I was thinking it would be neck n neck in terms of difference.
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On March 02 2011 13:43 frodoguy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2011 06:21 T.O.P. wrote:On March 02 2011 06:15 DystopiaX wrote:On March 02 2011 06:02 DarkOptik wrote:
In fact, they shouldn't go back to Korea since they're losing out on potential money in Japan as long as they're back there. Not to mention they have no hold on the Korean market anyways. Definitely not true, kara is one of the bigger groups in Korea as well as japan. Also, prices for shit in japan are ridiculous. However the distance from #1 to #2 is so great. The distance from #1 to #2 is greater than the distance from #2 to #6. . How can you be so sure? Source? I was thinking it would be neck n neck in terms of difference.
Look at the albums sales chart up top. Add up Oh! + RDR + Hoot sales. It's way more than any other girl group. After Can't Nobody and Lupin, T-ara's Breaking Heart would be the next best selling album.
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On March 02 2011 13:55 T.O.P. wrote:Show nested quote +On March 02 2011 13:43 frodoguy wrote:On March 02 2011 06:21 T.O.P. wrote:On March 02 2011 06:15 DystopiaX wrote:On March 02 2011 06:02 DarkOptik wrote:
In fact, they shouldn't go back to Korea since they're losing out on potential money in Japan as long as they're back there. Not to mention they have no hold on the Korean market anyways. Definitely not true, kara is one of the bigger groups in Korea as well as japan. Also, prices for shit in japan are ridiculous. However the distance from #1 to #2 is so great. The distance from #1 to #2 is greater than the distance from #2 to #6. . How can you be so sure? Source? I was thinking it would be neck n neck in terms of difference. Look at the albums sales chart up top. Add up Oh! + RDR + Hoot sales. It's way more than any other girl group. After Can't Nobody and Lupin, T-ara's Breaking Heart would be the next best selling album.
yeah but thats cas your comparing 3 of snsd's album against 1 album of each artist. But if you just compared with 1 of snsd's , the difference is big but not as big as you describe it.
Edit: nvm, its still pretty big.
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