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lokiM
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
United States3407 Posts
January 25 2011 18:17 GMT
#21221
that's not Star King?
You can't fight the feeling.
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-25 19:40:41
January 25 2011 19:40 GMT
#21222
On January 25th, Landmark, the legal representatives for the three members of KARA (Kang Jiyoung, Jung Nicole, Han Seungyeon), revealed that, “DSP Media has proposed the following for KARA members: ‘Creating an agreement on promotions within and outside of Korea’ and ‘Consulting and requesting the members’ opinions’. With regards to the first proposal, DSP expressed that the company has shown clear intentions of negotiating with the members. These were proposed in hope that the three KARA members will continue carrying out their schedules in Korea and Japan. DSP predict that the fans will be able to see the five members of KARA promoting together very soon.”

The contents of ‘To create an agreement on promotions within and outside of Korea’ are as follows:

1) From now on, KARA members will have an experienced manager while promoting in Korea and overseas.

2) After discussing resuming promotions in Japan, DSP will acknowledge the opinions of members and seek contact from the manager stated in the first point.

3) During promotions in Korea and overseas, the members are allowed to have their guardians (the members’ parents or someone they have chosen) accompanying them and contribute to making important decisions.

4) While promoting in Japan, the representative of DSP Japan will be cooperative.

However, a representative of the three KARA members said, “In regards to the second proposal, the KARA members expressed that they still don’t have faith in DSP. There’s been a promise and agreement with DSP to promote right away, yet we are disappointed with their insincerity.”

The KARA members’ opinions of ‘Consulting and requesting of the members’ opinions’ are as follows:

1) The three members of KARA will let the legal department deal with their contract, and both sides have agreed to complete activities that they have missed.

2) In order to restore faith in the relationship between KARA and DSP, the three members have suggested the following to be completed by January 27th:

a) The members will meet with representative Lee Hoyeon and not DSP.

b) Finding an end to the gap between the management until the return of representative Lee Hoyeon.

c) They will seek a management that is highly regarded and reliable.

d) They will find a way to organize and improve Care, KARA’s management team.

e) Making sure that KARA’s promised income is given.

f) An explanation in the relationship between DSP and DSP Japan.

3) Fixing the individual contracts before all the members terminate their contract.

4) Once the overall income has been calculated, they will provide full disclosure and all paperwork regarding the income.

A representative of the three members said, “DSP was not able to give a clear answer in regards to representative Lee Hoyeon’s whereabouts, as well as performing as five members again. Not only did the three KARA members lose faith in DSP, but the contracts were also unfair. The members have also recognized a difference between their opinions and the company’s stand on the issue.”

With regards to their requests to shorten their contract, they expressed, “It was not the members who had brought it up first, but DSP had privately approached one member with this issue. We were able to find out the intentions of DSP on that day. The company had stated that they would resolve and shorten the contracts but to change their answer now has confused all of us.


Source(yea well,who else):http://www.allkpop.com/2011/01/dsp-sends-proposal-to-kara-could-possibly-return-as-5-soon

So its not the end of the world, negotiations are going the right way currently, however there are alot of demands it seems.
WriterXiao8~~
Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
January 25 2011 22:06 GMT
#21223
On January 25 2011 17:16 T.O.P. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 25 2011 16:49 Waffles wrote:
On January 25 2011 16:43 ace246 wrote:
On January 25 2011 15:58 SushilS wrote:
Well I just read that Hoot! has become their first single to become #1 on daily rankings in Japan so no it seems to be doing pretty damn well too.... And according to most predictions, SNSD is going to beat Kara in Japan, what with the latest controversy and the secret trump in that Sooyoung is fluent in Japanese.


Firstly, Sooyoung being good at japanese doesn't weigh that much as a a factor because shes living in the shadows of jessica, taeyeon and one or two others whose faces and names i forgot. Secondly, source?

She debuted in japan before going to korea and debut in SNSD. Considering you debut in a japanese girl group i would assume that you have fluent japanese. you do make a good point that soo young not even popular. Honestly I dont think it matters who dominates in Japan.As korea is still the main market that both groups are trying to control. well less control since KARA having problems on their own. also im pretty sure yuri was most popular in snsd from some poll not sure though.

Korea isn't the main market for Kara anymore. Just look at the picture.
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This picture isnt really relevant, by that measure every group's main market would be the US. What have KARA's earnings been in Japan compared to in South Korea? I wouldn't be surprised if Japan is still more, but please provide data that actually matters to the debate.
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DarkOptik
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
452 Posts
January 25 2011 23:09 GMT
#21224
It is relevant in many ways. It goes to show you why WG went over to the United States and is still there, despite having done absolutely nothing in the past two years they've been there. JYP is banking on that huge market to open up on him, but I think that's never going to happen

As for KARA and Japan, what that picture shows is that the market is indeed many times bigger in Japan than it is in Korea, and therefore, there is much more potential for making money. In that regard, it is much more profitable to promote in Japan than it is to promote in Korea, and by that value chart, it shows that it doesn't matter if you're the most popular in Korea anymore because having a decent market share in Japan overshadows that by many times. As a result, successful promotion (which is a deserving title for KARA thus far) in Japan has yielded much higher numbers than any possible in Korea.

If you look at that allkpop article about how much SNSD and KARA have made, you would see that it is approximately 15 billion and 10 billion Japanese yen. This correlates to 204 billion Korean won and 135 billion Korean won respectively. This is far, far more than SNSD has earned in Korea (and they're undoubtedly the biggest earners in Korea).

For example, this article:
http://www.allkpop.com/2010/05/sm-entertainment-scores-with-snsd-and-super-junior

shows that from SUJU and SNSD, SM got approximately 22 billion won. This is only from half a year however, so let's double that (even though they stopped promoting really and the album sales from the first half dwarfed that from the latter), to have net gain from SUJU and SNSD to be 45 billion won. Notice that SNSD alone in Japan for like four months has out-grossed SUJU's and SNSD's entire year-round sales in Korea by 3 times.
Waffles
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Romania605 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-26 01:33:01
January 26 2011 01:32 GMT
#21225
On January 26 2011 08:09 DarkOptik wrote:
It is relevant in many ways. It goes to show you why WG went over to the United States and is still there, despite having done absolutely nothing in the past two years they've been there. JYP is banking on that huge market to open up on him, but I think that's never going to happen

As for KARA and Japan, what that picture shows is that the market is indeed many times bigger in Japan than it is in Korea, and therefore, there is much more potential for making money. In that regard, it is much more profitable to promote in Japan than it is to promote in Korea, and by that value chart, it shows that it doesn't matter if you're the most popular in Korea anymore because having a decent market share in Japan overshadows that by many times. As a result, successful promotion (which is a deserving title for KARA thus far) in Japan has yielded much higher numbers than any possible in Korea.

If you look at that allkpop article about how much SNSD and KARA have made, you would see that it is approximately 15 billion and 10 billion Japanese yen. This correlates to 204 billion Korean won and 135 billion Korean won respectively. This is far, far more than SNSD has earned in Korea (and they're undoubtedly the biggest earners in Korea).

For example, this article:
http://www.allkpop.com/2010/05/sm-entertainment-scores-with-snsd-and-super-junior

shows that from SUJU and SNSD, SM got approximately 22 billion won. This is only from half a year however, so let's double that (even though they stopped promoting really and the album sales from the first half dwarfed that from the latter), to have net gain from SUJU and SNSD to be 45 billion won. Notice that SNSD alone in Japan for like four months has out-grossed SUJU's and SNSD's entire year-round sales in Korea by 3 times.


dont quote me on this but dosent SM have to share with their japanese counterpart before they get splits? that 15 billion yen would be cut down drastically if that would be true. SM obviously would like more money so more market is obvs better. But what i am wondering is how successful in terms of influence?
DarkOptik
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
452 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-26 01:54:54
January 26 2011 01:43 GMT
#21226
You're right. I completely forgot about that...but it doesn't really matter all that much in this scenario. We're not really talking about how much money SM is making as we are how much the group themselves were making.

I thought the original argument was, well...which group was more popular? It got convoluted, but one way to measure popularity would be the amount of money a group makes, another would be album/single sales, etc. In that case, then KARA is arguably more popular in Japan (but then you're going to have to look up the timeframe they've been promoting in Japan vs. SNSD and see if the difference is made up due to the fewer months of exposure if you want to get really technical).

How do you define influence? It's a hard thing to define objectively or quantitatively. One way to do it is to go through the numbers in terms of money, which is what I did. I don't really know any other ways to do it.

EDIT: I suppose you could go by number of fans, but that's kind of hard to measure given our lack of information.

EDIT2: Anyways, my point out of all of this is that it doesn't really matter if you're Queen of Korea because being Queen of Korea doesn't necessarily give you much popularity (if we use the postulate that more sales = more popularity). It's much better to be a Princess of Japan than it is to be a Queen of Korea, even if Queen of Korea sounds better, because a Princess of Japan gives, by nature. more popularity than the title of the Queen of Korea.

And as of right now, if you use the aforementioned postulate, KARA is ahead of SNSD in the race for the crown.

Now, if you say that being more popular is not determined by having the most sales, then you're going to have to tell me how you determine popularity/influence.
iwantsushi
Profile Joined October 2010
India128 Posts
January 26 2011 07:40 GMT
#21227
with the recent crap thts been going on 2011 in japan will most likely be snsd's year. even if kara do come back as 5, i have a feeling they'll never be the same again.

and im a kara fan
" i like protoss because they're clean" - " "
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51527 Posts
January 26 2011 09:40 GMT
#21228
http://www.allkpop.com/2011/01/ex-kara-member-kim-sung-hee-to-get-married-in-may

she's back.
although interesting to see this the reason why.
Commentator
iwantsushi
Profile Joined October 2010
India128 Posts
January 26 2011 09:47 GMT
#21229
On January 26 2011 18:40 GTR wrote:
http://www.allkpop.com/2011/01/ex-kara-member-kim-sung-hee-to-get-married-in-may

she's back.
although interesting to see this the reason why.

Wtf :S i always knew she was wierd - "met approximately 2 years ago through their religious community"
" i like protoss because they're clean" - " "
Hyaach
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1737 Posts
January 26 2011 09:47 GMT
#21230
everytime i see a >6-8 year gap marriage i die a little inside.
i also sought to make more money.
Thailand is my new obsession
sandyph
Profile Joined September 2010
Indonesia1640 Posts
January 26 2011 11:06 GMT
#21231
On January 26 2011 01:17 Kipsate wrote:
Ugh, anyone got a link for T-ara Hello baby downloadable subbed?I can't seem to find them. my googling skills dissapoint me.


these guys are doing it

http://www.tiaradiadem.com

abit slow though
Put quote here for readability
iwantsushi
Profile Joined October 2010
India128 Posts
January 26 2011 11:48 GMT
#21232
On January 26 2011 18:47 Hyaach wrote:
everytime i see a >6-8 year gap marriage i die a little inside.
i also sought to make more money.

6-8 year gap is fine when its something like 30-38, 21- 29 is just plain nonsense. she's always been a little off in the head anyway.
" i like protoss because they're clean" - " "
NicksonReyes
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Philippines4431 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-26 12:52:38
January 26 2011 12:11 GMT
#21233

DFD>GD&TOP
Best flow among all korean rappers.

EDIT: I would never do something like this just because of being a fan. Losing all of my remaining dignity would be too much. They just lost their's. Ballers.
+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmL4QaDtm2o&feature=player_embedded
bald fat guy got all steps wrong, looks pissed.

Well, I might do it once.
"Start yo" -FlaSh
iwantsushi
Profile Joined October 2010
India128 Posts
January 26 2011 14:43 GMT
#21234
On January 26 2011 21:11 NicksonReyes wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkukueGI_fk
DFD>GD&TOP
Best flow among all korean rappers.

EDIT: I would never do something like this just because of being a fan. Losing all of my remaining dignity would be too much. They just lost their's. Ballers.
+ Show Spoiler +
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FmL4QaDtm2o&feature=player_embedded
bald fat guy got all steps wrong, looks pissed.

Well, I might do it once.

this isnt korean music,whts it doing here? :S
its some korean american trying too hard.
" i like protoss because they're clean" - " "
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17275 Posts
January 26 2011 14:54 GMT
#21235
On January 26 2011 10:43 DarkOptik wrote:
(but then you're going to have to look up the timeframe they've been promoting in Japan vs. SNSD and see if the difference is made up due to the fewer months of exposure if you want to get really technical).

Didn't SNSD go to Japan before Kara by several months?
twitch.tv/cratonz
Hyaach
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Singapore1737 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-26 15:23:42
January 26 2011 15:15 GMT
#21236
Kara's Mister debuted in japan in august, SNSD's genie debuted in september


Kara released a 'kara premium box' for japan in april.
snsd released their dvd in august.
Thailand is my new obsession
kakaman
Profile Blog Joined January 2010
United States1576 Posts
January 26 2011 21:41 GMT
#21237
http://www.allkpop.com/2011/01/ss501s-park-jung-min-reveals-his-thoughts-on-working-as-a-solo-artist

Finally, an idol group that cares about the group instead of themselves. Triple S fighting!
T.O.P. *
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Hong Kong4685 Posts
January 26 2011 21:51 GMT
#21238
On January 26 2011 18:40 GTR wrote:
http://www.allkpop.com/2011/01/ex-kara-member-kim-sung-hee-to-get-married-in-may

she's back.
although interesting to see this the reason why.

How rich is that guy?
Oracle comes in, Scvs go down, never a miscommunication.
Lonyo
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United Kingdom3884 Posts
January 26 2011 22:31 GMT
#21239
So, what were peoples top 3 tracks of the last 12 months, either buy plays in their playlist or just general top 3.

Mine are, by plays recorded by Last.fm:
1. Rainbow - A
2. Outsider ft Whale - Go Go Sing
3. G.NA ft Yong Jun Hyung of Beast - I'll Back Off So Live Well
HOLY CHECK!
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-01-26 22:36:22
January 26 2011 22:32 GMT
#21240
Full version of the F(x) OST of Paradise Ranch



Its good, Krystal her vocals are awesome.
But its a whole different then the NU ABO style not sure if I want another group going this kind of song direction all the time. Then again,its just an OST
WriterXiao8~~
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