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On August 10 2017 22:58 Numy wrote: I enjoyed the start of Madoka. Don't really get why people say it gets better when it just changes is all. If you don't really appreciate the start I don't see how you can truly enjoy the rest.
I straight up thought it was boring the first couple episodes, almost dropped it myself and it turned into my favorite show nontheless
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Episode 5 of Madoka and I have to drop it. I can't stand MCs like that these days. Sure, in the past, I've tolerated that helpless/useless MC before, but now, there's no point in wasting time trying.
I'l give that the premise is decent, just the pacing and MC made it unbearable.
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what, Homura was best MC 
all jokes aside, while Madoka is technically a MC of the show I don't think there's a lot of people who actually consider her to be that. Hell, I don't even consider her to be a character of the series, much less a MC.
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So they just randomly assigned the show's title to a side character in your book? That's shit way to make a show.
Shadow Skill was one of the early ones that I watched where the 'MC' was not the main character until close to the end. His sister was. And she was fantastic. Then they switched later on and he was fantastic. Check that out if you haven't.
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Madoka is definitely the main character, not sure what toad is on about.
I liked the show but it's far from my favourite.
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Toad is memeing. Madoka isn't helpless either. She's torn between if she should or shouldn't help and who she should believe.
I'd argue that both Madoka and Homura are good MCs. Sayaka is a bit more silly though, I never quite like teenage angst as a driving motivation but I guess for target audience of anime it's more reasonable.
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On August 10 2017 23:41 Unleashing wrote: Madoka is definitely the main character, not sure what toad is on about.
I liked the show but it's far from my favourite. for her to be a maincharacter in my book the show would have to follow her and let her "do" stuff rather than just be a silent onwatcher. People in the series do stuff because of her but that's about it, she is what the plot is about. In a way how an inanimate object might be the main focus of a story in a lot of other series because that object happens to be important to the story (idk... the holy grail in fate?). All that while it keeps focusing on what Mami, Sayaka, Kyouko and Homura do and go through. It's a bit different in the episodes that look at the past and I'd certainly call her a character or even main character had the story been that but it's not.
On August 10 2017 23:45 Numy wrote: Toad is memeing. Madoka isn't helpless either. She's torn between if she should or shouldn't help and who she should believe.
I'd argue that both Madoka and Homura are good MCs. Sayaka is a bit more silly though, I never quite like teenage angst as a driving motivation but I guess for target audience of anime it's more reasonable. not really no. I really do consider her to be just a plot device that the story turns around and not much more~
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Anyone who has sufficient screen time is a main character man, ensemble shows just have shared main characters and supporting ones instead of the usual singular main character. She may not be the impetus of the story but that doesn't mean she's not a main character. Same thing with Homura. None of the girls are truly the impetus of the story. In fact that's one of the central themes of the show.
+ Show Spoiler +Actually Toad she's the only one in the show story that does actually have the ability to change anything. So saying she's a silent onlooker when in fact Homura and Co are the ones with the inability to have any real effect is just not right. Homura may constantly try to affect change. All that accomplishes is nothing, she is the onlooker at the end of the day. It's just that unlike the others she's aware of her powerlessness. She's given up even trying to change and merely continues to go through the motions just so she can be locked in eternal cycle with Madoka instead of accepting she can't change fate.
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On August 10 2017 23:55 Numy wrote:Anyone who has sufficient screen time is a main character man, ensemble shows just have shared main characters and supporting ones instead of the usual singular main character. She may not be the impetus of the story but that doesn't mean she's not a main character. Same thing with Homura. None of the girls are truly the impetus of the story. In fact that's one of the central themes of the show. + Show Spoiler +Actually Toad she's the only one in the show story that does actually have the ability to change anything. So saying she's a silent onlooker when in fact Homura and Co are the ones with the inability to have any real effect is just not right. Homura may constantly try to affect change. All that accomplishes is nothing, she is the onlooker at the end of the day. It's just that unlike the others she's aware of her powerlessness. She's given up even trying to change and merely continues to go through the motions just so she can be locked in eternal cycle with Madoka instead of accepting she can't change fate. well, I'd argue that them trying to change things but failing at it is kind of what the show is about. It's a show that focuses heavily on how tormented they are resulting in the downspiral. Hence why I care about that more than anything Madoka does or doesn't do.
Perhaps not calling her a main is going too far but she's just not in any way or form important to what Madoka (the series) is about for me. As a plot device maybe, as a character certainly not. To me she's like the random banter at the start of every Monogatari arc that starts the conversation because you need to start somewhere and that evidently turns out to be really important in the end.
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I'd drop Toad after three episodes too.
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Madoka is the MC of Madoka Magica in the same way as how Mushi are the MC of Mushishi.
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On August 11 2017 00:32 NeoIllusions wrote: I'd drop Toad after three episodes too.
Toad is not the worst character in the TLADT though. Although I wouldn't say he's the MC.
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On August 11 2017 00:44 felisconcolori wrote:Show nested quote +On August 11 2017 00:32 NeoIllusions wrote: I'd drop Toad after three episodes too. Toad is not the worst character in the TLADT though. Although I wouldn't say he's the MC. Ok, two episodes then.
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There are a lot of characters in here who are worse than me!
Just look at some of these fucked up quotes:
<about to watch anime together, so he does the countdown> [20:26:17] <Emnjay808> sanjee... [20:26:19] <Emnjay808> nii.. [20:26:21] <Emnjay808> ICHE... GOOO [23:21] <Emnjay808> i voted mio. shes the only one i wouldnt feel guilty about putting my dick in [01:02:55] <Emnjay808> youkai [01:03:04] <Emnjay808> see my nihon [01:03:08] <Emnjay808> im improving [01:03:15] <Caller> :| [01:03:22] <Toad|> :| [01:04:57] <ecael> 20:02 Emnjay808 youkai [01:05:05] <ecael> what does youkai have to do with anything here [23:46:44] <Emnjay808> i would drag my balls through 5 miles of broken glass to touch Kayano Ai's shoulder [23:46:50] <nagi-work> ... [23:46:53] <@Souma> uh [23:46:58] <csheep> ... [23:47:03] <irrespunsible> andthat path mnj [23:47:04] <@Souma> speechless.
this somehow turned into just emnjay quotes to make my point... as to not make it look like I'm just having a dig at him something for me as well:
[19:14:08] <@Kaal> math is not my thang [19:14:37] <kupon3ss> just get one of the asians [19:14:43] <kupon3ss> in this channel to do the math for you [19:15:05] <@Kaal> It's a bit more complicated than that. [19:16:23] <Elementaryschool> then get two asians! [19:20:59] <Toad|> what are black people good for? [19:21:27] <Toad|> I just realized that that sounded awful.. [19:22:39] <ecael> hahah [19:23:17] <Elementaryschool> wat the fuck toad
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Way to throw EmnJay under the bus Toad.
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the guy's making me watch Maria Holic if TL loses today. He deserves no better. Unless TL wins and OG happens to randomly choke, in which case I'll apologize after the fact but until that happens I'm assuming I have to watch Maria Holic
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TL will lose. Chokelords GOTTA CHOKE. CHINA NUMBA WON CHOO CHOO
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[19:14:08] <@Kaal> math is not my thang [19:14:37] <kupon3ss> just get one of the asians [19:14:43] <kupon3ss> in this channel to do the math for you [19:15:05] <@Kaal> It's a bit more complicated than that. [19:16:23] <Elementaryschool> then get two asians! [19:20:59] <Toad|> what are black people good for? [19:21:27] <Toad|> I just realized that that sounded awful.. [19:22:39] <ecael> hahah [19:23:17] <Elementaryschool> wat the fuck toad Died laughing.
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On August 10 2017 07:25 ZerOCoolSC2 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 10 2017 07:19 Numy wrote: There's most likely dozens of anime throughout last 30 years you prob haven't watched that are good. Catch up!!!! You'd be surprised what I have seen. I posted a list in the DBS thread, I'll see if I can find it and post it here. Here's the list + Show Spoiler +1. 91 days 2. 07-ghost 3. a wind named amnesia 4. ad police 5. accel world 6. afro samurai 7. ah! my goddess 8. akame ga kill 9. akira 10. assassination classroom 11. appleseed 12. armitage 13. avatar 14. bakemono no ko 15. baki the grappler 16. basilisk 17. bastard 18. battle angel alita 19. berserk 20. big order 21. black blood brothers 22. black bullet 23. black lagoon 24. blade of the immortal 25. blade of the phantom master 26. bleach 27. blood the last vampire (blood+) 28. blue gender 29. blue seed 30. boku no hero academia 31. bubblegum crisis (bubblegum crisis tokyo 2040) 32. bubuki buranki 33. bungou stray dogs 34. burst angel 35. captain harlock 36. cardcaptor sakura 37. chain chronicle 38. city hunter (?) 39. clannad 40. claymore 41. code: breaker 42. cowboy bebop 43. cross ange 44. darker than black 45. darkside blues 46. deadman wonderland 47. death note 48. death parade 49. desert punk (manga) 50. devil hunter yohko 51. dimension w 52. dirty pair (?) 53. dog days (?) 54. drifters 55. durarara!! 56. El cazador 57. el hazard 58. elfen lied 59. endride 60. ergo proxy 61. eureka seven 62. evangelion 63. excel saga 64. fairy tail 65. fate stay (night, zero) 66. final fantasy 67. fist of the north star 68. flame of recca 69. FLCL 70. freezing 71. full metal panic (?) 72. full metal alchemist 73. fushigi yuugi 74. gangsta 75. gantz 76. genshiken (?) 77. get backers (?) 78. ghost in the shell 79. Gintama 80. girls und panzer 81. god eater 82. gunbuster (?) 83. gundam 84. gungrave 85. gunslinger girl 86. gunsmith cats 87. gurren lagann 88. guyver (?) 89. hellsing 90. high school of the dead 91. ikki tousen 92. infinite stratos 93. inuyasha 94. jin roh 95. karas 96. keijo 97. kekkai sensen (?) 98. kill la kill 99. kiznaiver 100. koutetsujou no kabaneri 101. kuromukuro 102. last exile (?) 103. love hina 104. loveless (?) 105. Lupin III 106. Macross 7 107. Macross Plus 108. Magic Knight Rayearth 109. Mai HiME 110. Mai Otome 111. Mirai Nikki 112. Mob Psycho 100 113. Mononoke Hime 114. Naruto 115. Nausicca of the Valley of the Wind 116. Ninja Scroll 117. Noragami 118. One Piece 119. One Punch Man 120. Outlaw Star 121. Paranoia Agent 122. Paprika 123. Parasite Dolls 124. Patlabor 125. Perfect Blue 126. Prison School 127. Project ARMS 128. Psycho PAss 129. Quan Zhi Gao Shou 130. Queen's Blade 131. RahXephon 132. Ranma 1/2 133. Re: Zero 134. Record of Lodoss War 135. Redline 136. Rokudenashi 137. Rosario + Vampire 138. Rurouni Kenshin 139. RWBY 140. s-CRY-ed 141. Saber Marionette 142. Scared Seven 143. SaiKano 144. Sailor Moon 145. Saint Seiya 146. Sakura Wars 147. Samurai 7 148. Samurai Deeper Kyo 149. Samurai Champloo 150. Sengoku Basara 151. Serial Experiments Lain 152. Shakugan no Shana 153. Shaman King 154. Shadow Skill 155. Slayers 156. Taboo Tattoo 157. Tales of ... 158. Tenchi Muyo 159. THe Big O 160. The Place Promised in Our Early Days 161. Tokyo Babylon 162. Tokyo Ghoul 163. Tokyo Majin 164. Trigun 165. Vampire Hunter D 166. Vandread 167. Vampire Princess Miyu 168. Escaflowne 169. Wicked City 170. Witchblade 171. Wolf's Rain 172. Wrath of the Ninja 173. Yu Yu Hakusho 174. Yu-Gi-Oh 175. Zetman 176. Zero kara Hajimeru 177. Zoids 178. Zone of the Enders 179. Zombie Loan
Cool to see Saber Marionette in there, one the most underrated 90's anime. Great setting and motifs, fun characters, and the action scenes are kickass. It's also one of the few harem animes in which the MC isn't a complete idiot (when he is, the setting justifies it), and the harem gets resolved brilliantly at the end.
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On August 10 2017 22:18 abuse wrote: Yes, I've been trying to get people to watch it from the start but ended up arguing and stuff.
Great show.
arguing and stuff? What is even there to argue about :O
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