Anime Discussion Thread - Page 5058

The point i'm trying to make is that their technology is far beyond ours, making the assumption that both DNA tests turned up as false-positives is pretty weird.
Especially so when iirc the bones they got matched maria and mamoru in age, gender, DNA and dental records. Ontop of us learning that something weird is up with squealer.

In some ways he has more than a human to them. Their society had been living in peace for more than 200 hundred years, so the queerats rebelling and a fiend showing up at the same time is like a horror story come true. Squealer was "respected" for the fear he bought upon them rather than his intelligence/humanity. He was a horror somewhat beyond their imagination so them respoding with a punishment beyond reason doesn't seem too far fetched. I'm not saying that I approve of his punishment, but I can certainly see how parts of their society would push for it.

As said, at that point it wasn't clear if Squealer was on their side or not so it was perfectly possible for the bones to be of someone else who was rather identical in appearance. I'm not saying that this was the only theory one could have at that point but which theory was correct wasn't confirmed at that point. It was only later when Squealer was revealed to lead the revolt with the fiend that one could assume to 99,9% that the bones were truly Maria's and Mamoru's.
Their technology might be far ahead of ours but let me say this: Our current technology is not far away from significant genetic modification. In fact we can already go very far with plants, bacteria etc. creating new pathways and essentially change how a certain organism works in its wild-type. The only reason why this isn't as advanced with humans/animals is because of ethics. However, while we are already not that far away in this regard, we are miles away from sequencing a whole organism within weeks, let alone indentifying single persons by these means. And I also don't see how this can be changed significantly. In the end it's pretty easy to imagine to refine methods of modifying an organism but it's not easy to imagine methods that cut time restraint by a lot. I'm probably owing this "missinterpretation" to my backround but I don't think it's fair to dismiss it immediately. People should try and put yourself in somebody else's shoes more because most lack the ability or rather don't make use of it which leads to a lot of missunderstandings, drama and conflict. It's even one of the points brought up in SSY.

You're making the assumption that the DNA test happened recently prior to the reveal. However the DNA test happened far before Saki finds out about it, they had a LOT of time to conduct the test in any case.
The only thing tomiko reveals is that they already ran the tests and confirmed that the bones did indeed belong to maria and mamoru.
Even if we were ignore the DNA testing they also checked the bones to compare assumed age and gender which also match.
Ontop of this the dental records were also perfect matches for maria and mamoru.

There was a 12 year time skip from maria and mamoru escaping to the revelation of the bones returned were actually theirs and not fake.
It didn't take 12 years for them to get the bones, this happened relatively shortly after their escape, iirc it was something like 3 years later, squealer himself even said that it would take some time to prepare the bones but that he'd definitely fake their deaths.
The DNA test was conducted FAR before saki learns about it, infact it was conducted after the bones were turned in by squealer's colony obviously. They had PLENTY of time to run the tests even with our modern day technology it wouldn't take 5+ years to run the tests.
Even less so when SSY takes place 1000 years in the future, their technology and understanding of DNA is highly likely far beyond ours.

The DNA tests weren't just run because they began suspecting maria and mamoru helping out the robber flies, it was conducted when the bones were inititally found so that they could call off the search for them as finding them was a high priority prior to the bones being turned in.

Watching for sure:
Monster Musume no Iru nichijou
Chaos Dragon
Shimoneta to Iu Gainen ga Sonzai Shinai Taikutsu na Sekai
Durarara
Working!!!
Gatchaman Crowds
JWWW
Non Non Biyori
Overlord
Himouto! Umaru-chan
Prison School

Will probably give 3 episodes tier:
Gangsta
Aoharu x Kikanjuu
Youkamachi no Dandelion
Ushio to Tora
Rokka no Yuusha
God Eater
Gakkou Gurashi!
Charlotte
Bikini Warriors

Will check some time into the season depending on what i hear about it(Or if i'm bored and out of stuff to watch) tier:
Gate: Jieitai Kanochi nite, Kaku Tatakaeri
Classroom Crisis
Akagami no shirayuki-hime
Sore ga Seiyuu

The 12 year time skip was before they told Saki? I didn't notice that while I was watching, are you sure? Anyways, you realise that one person saying "It's absolutely certain" means nothing when said person has already been dishonest before, right?

Now you're assuming that tomiko will lie to protect Saki's feelings compared to telling the truth to protect everyone. I'm fairly sure that regardless of any preferential treatment she might give saki, protecting saki's feelings doesn't trump protecting the safety of EVERYONE when they assumed one of the two escapees might've had the potential to become a fiend. It simply makes no sense for her to lie in this case.
They called off the search for maria and mamoru because they could confirmed that they were dead, if they couldn't confirm that then they'd still be searching for maria and mamoru because they would pose a huge potential risk.

And yes, squealer told them he'd fake the bones before the 12 year time skip, the faked bones were turned inbetween that timeskip, but not 12 entire years later. Sometime after maria gave birth, obviously, which is why most people assume it to be 3 years later since the messsiah is approximately 10 years old when it attacks.

I don't think we get any further with this. We have very different understandings of the word "confirmed" and that is ok. I personally don't think something is confirmed because someone tells me it is. I think something is confirmed if someone shows me that it is (results or whatever). That's just my ways of thinking and is hammered into my brain. In this regard, I even think it wasn't even confirmed in the end of the show: One could just assume it with a high probability since it wasn't shown.
However, I can totally understand how other people like you see it as confirmed, even early on, and think that the show intended to make the viewer think it's confirmed (which btw. is certainly possible and likely). I'm not trying to dismiss that. I'm just trying to explain that other people with a different understanding of the word "confirmed" might have come up with other theories that might be wrong in the end. But coming up with these theories in general is not wrong from a logical stand point.

There are other shows where the same thing can be said. I came up with a lot of theories that either turned out right or wrong later on. But I don't think it was wrong to have come up with theories that turned out to be wrong.