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goody153

44313 Posts

February 16 2015 16:46 GMT

#92321

Hare kon 19

waifu #3 showing care for waifu #2

BurningSera

Ireland19621 Posts

February 16 2015 17:44 GMT

#92322

On February 17 2015 00:59 Miragee wrote:

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On February 17 2015 00:22 ragz_gt wrote:

On February 16 2015 19:34 Miragee wrote:

On February 16 2015 09:37 Sentenal wrote:

On February 16 2015 08:59 Miragee wrote:

On February 16 2015 08:52 Sentenal wrote:

On February 16 2015 08:19 Miragee wrote:
With "generic" I meant it's like the others. I thought it would have more approaches like HxH with tactical fights, good plot/character development and interesting villians. The reviews I read all pointed towards that. That's all.

I'm not a particular fan of shounen, that's for sure. I dropped One Piece a long time ago because I got too bored of all the ridiculously drawn-out fights and power-ups. I can handle them if there is an interesting setting, good characters and development/plot. For all the shit Fairy Tail recieves I think it did well in all three departments. But those are the only long Shounen I ever watched. I only decided to watch Yu Yu Hakusho because of the premise of delivering something different. I never would have thought about starting something like Dragon Ball for example (although I have seen some episode back when I was a kid).

The correct way of looking at it, rather than "its like the others", its more like "others are like it".

It doesn't really matter though. It doesn't make it look better it just makes the others look worse.

Except it does matter, unless you live in some imaginary world where Yu Yu Hakusho isn't a 20 year old show that defined the genre.

If the complaint is "I've seen this a million times before" and "this is generic", your complaint is without merit. If you just don't like shounen, then its like, w/e, not sure why you watched it.

Well, my complain isn't really that it _is_ generic but more about the characteristics that are known as generic shounen tropes. I don't think it makes the show better because it invented that stuff back in the day. Only because it was new it wasn't better than the same thing 10 years later. Something new only disguises the bad things because new things make humans excited. Then, as soon as it loses it's "new"-status it shows it's true face.
That being said, I often went through the show thinking "oh ok, this trope originated here, good to know".

To the point why I watched it: As I said, I'm not really sure, either. I think the show was fine overall because of the humor and some characters. But it wasn't what I expected after reading all the reviews which basically all agreed that Yu Yu Hakusho isn't your "generic" shounen but more like a spiritual predecessor to HxH. I read about tactical combat, deep conversations and while all admitted that YYH set food for a lot of shounen tropes they also said that it does a lot of things right that generic, currently popular shounen do "wrong".
In the end, I think I was misslead by the reviews and was disappointed because I expected something different. It's not like that I call the anime itself generic or refuse to ackknowledge the impact it had. But it doesn't do it's reputation justice.

That's just stupid... you have to judge stuff by their context. Otherwise you would look at Edison and think he is a dumbarse, and the Wright brothers as some weird hippies.

Call it stupid all you want. You can judge these things in two different ways: One is by their context and influencial effects and the other is by their enjoyment factor compared to what is currently accomplished. I think both have their place. While the first one is important to show history and development, the second one is important for recommendations for example. As said, I don't refuse to ackknowledge the impact the show had and how it was at the time it was released. However, one shouldn't use that as a parameter to recommend how awesome that series is to watch _now_ if there are a lot of better shows out there that eliminated blunders from the old show.

I havent reread YuYu for a long time but i am confused by this discussion so far lol. It is bloody damn old ya and it is still damn good even compared to newer shounens, i would recommend it to anyone who is looking for some nice shounen to read, what is there in it that you think it is bad?? Because like others said it literally defined some tropes/'generic mainstream shounen' out there. I think that it is a classic in the old generation of 'emo-ish shounen' back then eventhough my no.1 has to be JoJo (even after all these years).

I think that you are just not a big fan of shounen really.

Miragee

8716 Posts

February 16 2015 20:28 GMT

#92323

On February 17 2015 02:44 BurningSera wrote:

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On February 17 2015 00:59 Miragee wrote:

On February 17 2015 00:22 ragz_gt wrote:

On February 16 2015 19:34 Miragee wrote:

On February 16 2015 09:37 Sentenal wrote:

On February 16 2015 08:59 Miragee wrote:

On February 16 2015 08:52 Sentenal wrote:

The correct way of looking at it, rather than "its like the others", its more like "others are like it".

It doesn't really matter though. It doesn't make it look better it just makes the others look worse.

That's just stupid... you have to judge stuff by their context. Otherwise you would look at Edison and think he is a dumbarse, and the Wright brothers as some weird hippies.

I have already stated multiple times that I'm not a big fan of shounen.

On the other hand, there are "shounens" out there that I really like and those somehow manage to remove some if not all the things I don't enjoy in regular shounens. I just thought YYH would be that kind of show, that's all.

I'll just make an example of what I think was bad: Dragging out fights over 2-5 episodes by using meaningless one-liners, lots of AAAHHHHHHHHHHHHH, showing shocked faces over and over again, throwing the same punch exchanges again and again or just standing there for an eternity with some evil music. Something like that bores the hell out of me. I like my quick, meaningful, tactical/intelligent fights.

//On another note: Just started Spice and Wolf now. The first episode totally caught me. Everything from characters to setting to music and mood really appealed to me and I feel like I'm in for a really good ride.
I read that not all the novels have been animated yet (and probably won't be). Up to which point are they animated?

BurningSera

Ireland19621 Posts

February 16 2015 21:47 GMT

#92324

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well next weekend of Seven sins will be so tear jerking, prepare your tear glands!!

Numy

South Africa35471 Posts

February 16 2015 21:52 GMT

#92325

The anime covers volumes 1-5 while skipping 4. I've heard it's a flashback volume dealing with Holo's past but I haven't read them yet.

bardtown

England2313 Posts

February 16 2015 21:55 GMT

#92326

On February 17 2015 06:47 BurningSera wrote:
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well next weekend of Seven sins will be so tear jerking, prepare your tear glands!!

I think that warrants spoiler tags

Slaughter

United States20255 Posts

February 16 2015 21:56 GMT

#92327

4 was just another village with another problem that the two find themselves mixed up in. They went there to look for old records to read. But yes they stop at 5 in the LN and there are 17 in total (with like 3 of those being short story collections).

Emnjay808

United States10666 Posts

February 16 2015 22:07 GMT

#92328

On February 17 2015 06:55 bardtown wrote:

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I think that warrants spoiler tags

Well speaking of Nanatsu: + Show Spoiler [Nanatsu 18] +

Hawk was amazing last ep. Guy is the bravest bacon alive.

Slaughter

United States20255 Posts

February 16 2015 22:09 GMT

#92329

I tried watching Nanatsu after reading the manga because I liked it and I just could not stand the voices they chose for like 80% of the characters, They all sounded so wrong so I didn't continue.

Miragee

8716 Posts

February 16 2015 22:21 GMT

#92330

On February 17 2015 06:56 Slaughter wrote:
4 was just another village with another problem that the two find themselves mixed up in. They went there to look for old records to read. But yes they stop at 5 in the LN and there are 17 in total (with like 3 of those being short story collections).

Uff ok thanks, that's not a lot. I thought they animated more within two anime seasons but I guess not. I will see how it goes but if it continues to be this good I will probably have to read the rest.

BurningSera

Ireland19621 Posts

February 16 2015 22:51 GMT

#92331

thanks for whoever ninja mod edited my post....haha...well you should see that coming from the trailer though + Show Spoiler +

the small daine

Kipsate

Netherlands45349 Posts

February 16 2015 23:11 GMT

#92332

Nanatsu voices seem fine to me.

Souma

2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts

February 16 2015 23:12 GMT

#92333

Kato Megumi... what a waifu. She is so good.

Nanatsu voices are fine (Hawk is amazing). The only character that sounds iffy to me is Diane.

BurningSera

Ireland19621 Posts

February 16 2015 23:22 GMT

#92334

same here dont quite like daine's voice

SK.Testie

Canada11084 Posts

February 16 2015 23:32 GMT

#92335

Surprised to see the Hawk love here considering it's the voice I find most obnoxious in that show.

Slaughter

United States20255 Posts

February 16 2015 23:48 GMT

#92336

Yea Hawk just reminds me of a less funny version of Happy from Fairy Tail, more annoying voice too. They also seemed to take a bit of an edge off of how Ban is drawn in the anime compared to the manga.

Souma

2nd Worst City in CA8938 Posts

February 17 2015 00:01 GMT

#92337

Happy, funny?

Now that's funny.

Hawk is much more interesting. I think it's difficult to understand the nuances of Hawk without knowing Japanese though.