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World Trigger episode 4 was very good imo. It's getting more interesting.
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Fair enough. I appreciate your understanding though.
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holy fucking shit. Finished Amane route. One thing that hit me as it was going was Amane's character, and all of her actions began to just make so much sense to me. like seeing what happened to her, everything just clicked sorta and i fully understood every one of her actions earlier in beginning (even stuff that they didn't blatantly come out and say)
+ Show Spoiler [AmaneRoute] + Not at all what i was expecting from this thing. I'm a little blown away b/c I was expecting ya know, happy go lucky stuff that was the main route, then all the sex stuff that started (which seemed pointless i guess, i mean if you make a really good story, you would never have to use that stuff just to sell the thing). And then that flashback just like, Took me for a huge surprise. (like I knew that something traumatic had happened in her past, but i didn't think it would be as insane and detailed as that). I donno I'm still a little flabbergasted by the whole thing. imo though, it was overall a really really good story. Sure there's a few things that could have been done better like Amane and Yuuji "bumping" into each other and then falling in love is not something that's easily believable. Somebody would have had to have said something long before that all happened. Especially since like the fucking school principal knew everything, and then just stayed completely out of it even though she was asked on her opinion of their relationship. I can see how some people would complain about some other story holes (especially in the flashback) but to be honest, I'm really good at accepting fantasy as fantasy and unbounding the laws of reality from the fantasy in order to just enjoy it for what it really is meant to be...if that makes any sense to anybody but myself lolol.
All in all I thoroughly enjoyed the experience of this story and completely got sucked in so hard. Like I've spent all my saturday on Grisaia and have no regrets whatsoever.
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Just wait till u get to Sachi route
btw shes the best.
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On November 02 2014 19:23 Ryuhou)aS( wrote:holy fucking shit. Finished Amane route. One thing that hit me as it was going was Amane's character, and all of her actions began to just make so much sense to me. like seeing what happened to her, everything just clicked sorta and i fully understood every one of her actions earlier in beginning (even stuff that they didn't blatantly come out and say) + Show Spoiler [AmaneRoute] + Not at all what i was expecting from this thing. I'm a little blown away b/c I was expecting ya know, happy go lucky stuff that was the main route, then all the sex stuff that started (which seemed pointless i guess, i mean if you make a really good story, you would never have to use that stuff just to sell the thing). And then that flashback just like, Took me for a huge surprise. (like I knew that something traumatic had happened in her past, but i didn't think it would be as insane and detailed as that). I donno I'm still a little flabbergasted by the whole thing. imo though, it was overall a really really good story. Sure there's a few things that could have been done better like Amane and Yuuji "bumping" into each other and then falling in love is not something that's easily believable. Somebody would have had to have said something long before that all happened. Especially since like the fucking school principal knew everything, and then just stayed completely out of it even though she was asked on her opinion of their relationship. I can see how some people would complain about some other story holes (especially in the flashback) but to be honest, I'm really good at accepting fantasy as fantasy and unbounding the laws of reality from the fantasy in order to just enjoy it for what it really is meant to be...if that makes any sense to anybody but myself lolol. All in all I thoroughly enjoyed the experience of this story and completely got sucked in so hard. Like I've spent all my saturday on Grisaia and have no regrets whatsoever.
+ Show Spoiler [Amane Route] +Wait, at what point would you call Amane's route fantasy? Maybe you can make an argument for unrealistic (even though it's pretty copy pasted from a real life event) but fantasy?
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SAO2#17: nice one. that last part of (re)acquiring the reward was rather unnecessary lol
LOH#5: Wow. + Show Spoiler +. Have to say it is some genius to come up with a story that leads to some developments for many characters like that
Vanadis#5: The more i watch the more this is like another standard harem anime but thank god the pacing is nice and the voices of VA sound really nice (i am not a VA fan), maybe is just that i dislike the usual loli sound and this loli has a rather mature voice lol
On November 02 2014 16:41 HolydaKing wrote:
World Trigger episode 4 was very good imo. It's getting more interesting.
World trigger#4: Yes the anime adaptation is surprisingly good, iirc the manga is rather slow at the beginning but obviously anime is going to use up more chapters in one episode so the pacing is really nice by #4 now.
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On November 02 2014 22:40 KazeHydra wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2014 19:23 Ryuhou)aS( wrote:holy fucking shit. Finished Amane route. One thing that hit me as it was going was Amane's character, and all of her actions began to just make so much sense to me. like seeing what happened to her, everything just clicked sorta and i fully understood every one of her actions earlier in beginning (even stuff that they didn't blatantly come out and say) + Show Spoiler [AmaneRoute] + Not at all what i was expecting from this thing. I'm a little blown away b/c I was expecting ya know, happy go lucky stuff that was the main route, then all the sex stuff that started (which seemed pointless i guess, i mean if you make a really good story, you would never have to use that stuff just to sell the thing). And then that flashback just like, Took me for a huge surprise. (like I knew that something traumatic had happened in her past, but i didn't think it would be as insane and detailed as that). I donno I'm still a little flabbergasted by the whole thing. imo though, it was overall a really really good story. Sure there's a few things that could have been done better like Amane and Yuuji "bumping" into each other and then falling in love is not something that's easily believable. Somebody would have had to have said something long before that all happened. Especially since like the fucking school principal knew everything, and then just stayed completely out of it even though she was asked on her opinion of their relationship. I can see how some people would complain about some other story holes (especially in the flashback) but to be honest, I'm really good at accepting fantasy as fantasy and unbounding the laws of reality from the fantasy in order to just enjoy it for what it really is meant to be...if that makes any sense to anybody but myself lolol. All in all I thoroughly enjoyed the experience of this story and completely got sucked in so hard. Like I've spent all my saturday on Grisaia and have no regrets whatsoever. Wait, at what point would you call Amane's route fantasy? Maybe you can make an argument for unrealistic (even though it's pretty copy pasted from a real life event) but fantasy?
Really an event that happened in Japan?
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The thing that felt so unrealistic is that the "genius" and everyone else waited so long before attempting to leave for help when the "genius" had worked out a plan and method for doing so (even suggested it on the 1st day). Instead she waits until people get the desperation point then just peaces out with Amane while damning everyone else as ":ghouls who could never go back to society" because they practiced cannibalism.
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On November 02 2014 23:14 BurningSera wrote:SAO2#17: nice one. that last part of (re)acquiring the reward was rather unnecessary lol LOH#5: Wow. + Show Spoiler +. Have to say it is some genius to come up with a story that leads to some developments for many characters like that Vanadis#5: The more i watch the more this is like another standard harem anime but thank god the pacing is nice and the voices of VA sound really nice (i am not a VA fan), maybe is just that i dislike the usual loli sound and this loli has a rather mature voice lol Show nested quote +On November 02 2014 16:41 HolydaKing wrote:
World Trigger episode 4 was very good imo. It's getting more interesting. World trigger#4: Yes the anime adaptation is surprisingly good, iirc the manga is rather slow at the beginning but obviously anime is going to use up more chapters in one episode so the pacing is really nice by #4 now.
I love Yuuma's straight forward nature lol.
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On November 02 2014 16:03 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2014 15:45 NeoIllusions wrote:On November 02 2014 15:22 Slaughter wrote:General musing about Grisaia + Show Spoiler +
I wonder how they will deal with the outcomes of the other girls while you are pursing one. In Makina's route since it was the first you just kind of say "alright its whatever they will be fine" but as I progress I wonder more about leaving the other girls to their fate. One thing I liked about the Amane route is that they specifically showed that Makina would be ok in the end (still didn't cover the others though). Now starting Sachi's route I really am like "well what about Amane? Her particular story is pretty tied to the MC specifically. With Makina you can simply say that the bombing that triggered the events of her route never happened but for Amane it would be harder unless they had him resolve the issue in a different way than loving her as a romantic interest.
+ Show Spoiler [Grisaia no Meikyuu (2nd game)] +While there are five different routes for GnK, Meikyuu and Rakuen are based on the premise that Yuuji is a god and he helps all five girls at the same time but doesn't commit to one single girl romantically. All the girls do fall for him though.
It's sort of a cop out that he can solve everyone's problem but you just have to remember that it's a harem VN at the very base level. So just smile and go with it. ;3 + Show Spoiler +So am I to assume there is no continuity between the games then and its just more scenarios of the same time period? Where I am assuming that like you said include the harem route where he goes out/fucks them all and they are cool with that. Well if they do a harem route its not necessarily bad but I hope they go all out then and show a happy ending where they are all living together etc. I also wonder if they do something with JB/His master/Sister since they went out of their way to have an opening for her to return.
+ Show Spoiler +Not quite sure what you mean by continuity between the games. ;;
Uh, I should preface that any flash forward at the end of any girl's route in GnK is considered non-canon in the sequels.
No, none of the girls mind too much that that you're dating/banging the others. They obv are jealous (some more than others), etc but what can they do, you're the MC and they're all thoroughly attached to you after you 'save' them in the first game.
On November 02 2014 19:23 Ryuhou)aS( wrote:holy fucking shit. Finished Amane route. One thing that hit me as it was going was Amane's character, and all of her actions began to just make so much sense to me. like seeing what happened to her, everything just clicked sorta and i fully understood every one of her actions earlier in beginning (even stuff that they didn't blatantly come out and say) + Show Spoiler [AmaneRoute] + Not at all what i was expecting from this thing. I'm a little blown away b/c I was expecting ya know, happy go lucky stuff that was the main route, then all the sex stuff that started (which seemed pointless i guess, i mean if you make a really good story, you would never have to use that stuff just to sell the thing). And then that flashback just like, Took me for a huge surprise. (like I knew that something traumatic had happened in her past, but i didn't think it would be as insane and detailed as that). I donno I'm still a little flabbergasted by the whole thing. imo though, it was overall a really really good story. Sure there's a few things that could have been done better like Amane and Yuuji "bumping" into each other and then falling in love is not something that's easily believable. Somebody would have had to have said something long before that all happened. Especially since like the fucking school principal knew everything, and then just stayed completely out of it even though she was asked on her opinion of their relationship. I can see how some people would complain about some other story holes (especially in the flashback) but to be honest, I'm really good at accepting fantasy as fantasy and unbounding the laws of reality from the fantasy in order to just enjoy it for what it really is meant to be...if that makes any sense to anybody but myself lolol. All in all I thoroughly enjoyed the experience of this story and completely got sucked in so hard. Like I've spent all my saturday on Grisaia and have no regrets whatsoever.
+ Show Spoiler [Amane, etc] +Grats on finish Amane's route~
If there's anything you learn from GnK, it's that 1) all the girls behave well within reason given their history and back story. Amane might act all slutty as soon as she met Yuuji but you soon realize why she's like that after Angelic Howl. Other characters started out annoying but even I got around it after knowing what happened to them. In the end, I truly do find all the characters likable and I think that's good story writing, at least for me. 2) Yuuji's always there to lending a helping hand because in the end, he's just as broken, if not more, than all the other students at Mihama. "You have to help yourself" is essentially the fable of the first game.
Grisaia is def a Halloween weekend well spent~
Edit: oh, and also, yeah, a lot of 'issues' during routes could have been circumvented if ChizuChizu just told Yuuji what happened to x girl. But then you have to remember that Yuuji remains consistent in that he doesn't want to know about what happened to the girls until they're ready to tell him. A tit-for-tat of sorts since none of the girls go poking around Yuuji's past in GnK.
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Cross Ange: finally some plot, although they are just hints
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rofl the fanservice is comical it's really good. a nice change of mood from previous eps. And snake confirmed MVP wingman.
Anyway, interesting to see a male Norma, when prev ep said that only female (?) can be Norma. May be Tusk is a child of Norma mother + Mana father. Regardless, his memory flashbacks are really intriguing, especially the part involving the Commander and Tusk's parents and the Vilkiss. And Tusk has his own para-mail. Interesting.
On November 02 2014 23:14 BurningSera wrote:SAO2#17: nice one. that last part of (re)acquiring the reward was rather unnecessary lol LOH#5: Wow. + Show Spoiler +. Have to say it is some genius to come up with a story that leads to some developments for many characters like that Vanadis#5: The more i watch the more this is like another standard harem anime but thank god the pacing is nice and the voices of VA sound really nice (i am not a VA fan), maybe is just that i dislike the usual loli sound and this loli has a rather mature voice lol Show nested quote +On November 02 2014 16:41 HolydaKing wrote:
World Trigger episode 4 was very good imo. It's getting more interesting. World trigger#4: Yes the anime adaptation is surprisingly good, iirc the manga is rather slow at the beginning but obviously anime is going to use up more chapters in one episode so the pacing is really nice by #4 now.
World Trigger: Is it? It is said to be good by someone who has viewed/read both materials, I guess I will pick up World Trigger anime again. Thanks for your opinion
Vanadis: This episode is good because + Show Spoiler + there is no Titta around. Annoying loli
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On November 03 2014 00:41 bluegarfield wrote:Cross Ange: finally some plot, although they are just hints + Show Spoiler [Cross Ange ep 5] +
rofl the fanservice is comical it's really good. a nice change of mood from previous eps. And snake confirmed MVP wingman.
Anyway, interesting to see a male Norma, when prev ep said that only female (?) can be Norma. May be Tusk is a child of Norma mother + Mana father. Regardless, his memory flashbacks are really intriguing, especially the part involving the Commander and Tusk's parents and the Vilkiss. And Tusk has his own para-mail. Interesting.
Show nested quote +On November 02 2014 23:14 BurningSera wrote:SAO2#17: nice one. that last part of (re)acquiring the reward was rather unnecessary lol LOH#5: Wow. + Show Spoiler +. Have to say it is some genius to come up with a story that leads to some developments for many characters like that Vanadis#5: The more i watch the more this is like another standard harem anime but thank god the pacing is nice and the voices of VA sound really nice (i am not a VA fan), maybe is just that i dislike the usual loli sound and this loli has a rather mature voice lol On November 02 2014 16:41 HolydaKing wrote:
World Trigger episode 4 was very good imo. It's getting more interesting. World trigger#4: Yes the anime adaptation is surprisingly good, iirc the manga is rather slow at the beginning but obviously anime is going to use up more chapters in one episode so the pacing is really nice by #4 now. World Trigger: Is it? It is said to be good by someone who has viewed/read both materials, I guess I will pick up World Trigger anime again. Thanks for your opinion Vanadis: This episode is good because + Show Spoiler + there is no Titta around. Annoying loli
Out of curiosity, what did you dislike about World Trigger? Boring story? Bad characters?
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^it was quite slow at first, which I don't really mind THAT much. But the main mc is somewhat lame, like the weak useless one who always talk about saving the the world and what not. It's not like I don't give the character room to grow, it was just a bit slow and kinda typical/boring you would say.
However the main tipping point was the animation, or rather the lack of animation. It feel more like watching a slideshow than an anime in the first 2-3 episodes. If the story develop to be good enough, I would just give it another try, since at least it's color and some animation is better than static manga
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On November 03 2014 01:07 bluegarfield wrote:
^it was quite slow at first, which I don't really mind THAT much. But the main mc is somewhat lame, like the weak useless one who always talk about saving the the world and what not. It's not like I don't give the character room to grow, it was just a bit slow and kinda typical/boring you would say.
However the main tipping point was the animation, or rather the lack of animation. It feel more like watching a slideshow than an anime in the first 2-3 episodes. If the story develop to be good enough, I would just give it another try, since at least it's color and some animation is better than static manga
hmm fair points. Yes, the main MC is weak. I feel like it's something that you'll have to accept to watch it tbh. I don't personally mind it though I would prefer that he holds him own for a bit if he ever got into a fight. Someone who read the source said that he'll be weak for a while (I think) so I came to peace with it lol.
Animation wise, in all honesty, I don't even pay much attention to it since I still found the story interesting enough. These neighbours, why are they invading? just a land grab? what's the story there? What about border? Border ranks? How do they chose ranks? Obviously skills but death fight? What about all the other characters in the OP? I know they'll make an appearance or already have so what's their story? How does everything relate? Lots of questions and many more. I'm sure they'll be answered in due time (or have already been answered). The anime that I can say so far has pretty bad animation (or feels a bit static or something etc...) is Ushinawareta Mirai but I can understand why it would be hard to watch an anime if you feel its badly done 
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On November 02 2014 22:40 KazeHydra wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2014 19:23 Ryuhou)aS( wrote:holy fucking shit. Finished Amane route. One thing that hit me as it was going was Amane's character, and all of her actions began to just make so much sense to me. like seeing what happened to her, everything just clicked sorta and i fully understood every one of her actions earlier in beginning (even stuff that they didn't blatantly come out and say) + Show Spoiler [AmaneRoute] + Not at all what i was expecting from this thing. I'm a little blown away b/c I was expecting ya know, happy go lucky stuff that was the main route, then all the sex stuff that started (which seemed pointless i guess, i mean if you make a really good story, you would never have to use that stuff just to sell the thing). And then that flashback just like, Took me for a huge surprise. (like I knew that something traumatic had happened in her past, but i didn't think it would be as insane and detailed as that). I donno I'm still a little flabbergasted by the whole thing. imo though, it was overall a really really good story. Sure there's a few things that could have been done better like Amane and Yuuji "bumping" into each other and then falling in love is not something that's easily believable. Somebody would have had to have said something long before that all happened. Especially since like the fucking school principal knew everything, and then just stayed completely out of it even though she was asked on her opinion of their relationship. I can see how some people would complain about some other story holes (especially in the flashback) but to be honest, I'm really good at accepting fantasy as fantasy and unbounding the laws of reality from the fantasy in order to just enjoy it for what it really is meant to be...if that makes any sense to anybody but myself lolol. All in all I thoroughly enjoyed the experience of this story and completely got sucked in so hard. Like I've spent all my saturday on Grisaia and have no regrets whatsoever. + Show Spoiler [Amane Route] +Wait, at what point would you call Amane's route fantasy? Maybe you can make an argument for unrealistic (even though it's pretty copy pasted from a real life event) but fantasy?
Well I guess fantasy is not exactly the right word. I think i probably meant more like the difference between Fiction and Non-Fiction, i guess. I was already at the very end of my adrenaline pushing me through the night and about ready to pass out at the point of writing that. Thinking about it, it's definitely something that possibly could happen/have happened but it's very unlikely that that's how it would unfold. But my original point was twofold in that A) anybody can really sit down and poke holes in any story to make it out to be not as good as it really is and B) even though I can see holes in a story it doesn't stop me from accepting those and moving through the story anyways and enjoying it (as long as they're not too completely ridiculous and the story is good enough)
On November 03 2014 00:25 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2014 22:40 KazeHydra wrote:On November 02 2014 19:23 Ryuhou)aS( wrote:holy fucking shit. Finished Amane route. One thing that hit me as it was going was Amane's character, and all of her actions began to just make so much sense to me. like seeing what happened to her, everything just clicked sorta and i fully understood every one of her actions earlier in beginning (even stuff that they didn't blatantly come out and say) + Show Spoiler [AmaneRoute] + Not at all what i was expecting from this thing. I'm a little blown away b/c I was expecting ya know, happy go lucky stuff that was the main route, then all the sex stuff that started (which seemed pointless i guess, i mean if you make a really good story, you would never have to use that stuff just to sell the thing). And then that flashback just like, Took me for a huge surprise. (like I knew that something traumatic had happened in her past, but i didn't think it would be as insane and detailed as that). I donno I'm still a little flabbergasted by the whole thing. imo though, it was overall a really really good story. Sure there's a few things that could have been done better like Amane and Yuuji "bumping" into each other and then falling in love is not something that's easily believable. Somebody would have had to have said something long before that all happened. Especially since like the fucking school principal knew everything, and then just stayed completely out of it even though she was asked on her opinion of their relationship. I can see how some people would complain about some other story holes (especially in the flashback) but to be honest, I'm really good at accepting fantasy as fantasy and unbounding the laws of reality from the fantasy in order to just enjoy it for what it really is meant to be...if that makes any sense to anybody but myself lolol. All in all I thoroughly enjoyed the experience of this story and completely got sucked in so hard. Like I've spent all my saturday on Grisaia and have no regrets whatsoever. Wait, at what point would you call Amane's route fantasy? Maybe you can make an argument for unrealistic (even though it's pretty copy pasted from a real life event) but fantasy? Really an event that happened in Japan? + Show Spoiler +
The thing that felt so unrealistic is that the "genius" and everyone else waited so long before attempting to leave for help when the "genius" had worked out a plan and method for doing so (even suggested it on the 1st day). Instead she waits until people get the desperation point then just peaces out with Amane while damning everyone else as ":ghouls who could never go back to society" because they practiced cannibalism.
+ Show Spoiler [Amane] + I understand your point about how Kazuki had figured out how to leave and suggested it on day 1 then let it go until only Amane would survive, but in a situation like this it's always best to try to stay together in one place and wait for rescue. Always. Plus there was never any actual guarantee that anybody would make it out that way, it would have been more likely that they got lost and wondered in the jungle until they all died (plus going through a jungle like that poses it's own problems with predators, poisonous insects and so forth). But it does make sense that if Kazuki actually saw all of what happened coming, then leaving just her and Amane right away would have been the best option (since those two had the best "chance" of making it out, and if they make it out early like that they could get help in rescuing everybody else). And then writing that last sentence a counter argument crossed my mind that the rest of the group would never have lasted as long as they did without Kazuki, so would they even be alive still if Kazuki/Amane made it out and sent help?
About the "ghouls" I donno. While I think it's possible for people in that situation to practice cannibalism and return to society, that wasn't exactly the case here. I'm thinking it was more like these people had lost everything that made them human by then and could only live/act based on instinct like animals. And the act of cannibalism probably wasn't the thing that "broke" them either, it was more like just an action they took after they had already been "broken" long before.
On November 03 2014 00:32 NeoIllusions wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2014 16:03 Slaughter wrote:On November 02 2014 15:45 NeoIllusions wrote:On November 02 2014 15:22 Slaughter wrote:General musing about Grisaia + Show Spoiler +
I wonder how they will deal with the outcomes of the other girls while you are pursing one. In Makina's route since it was the first you just kind of say "alright its whatever they will be fine" but as I progress I wonder more about leaving the other girls to their fate. One thing I liked about the Amane route is that they specifically showed that Makina would be ok in the end (still didn't cover the others though). Now starting Sachi's route I really am like "well what about Amane? Her particular story is pretty tied to the MC specifically. With Makina you can simply say that the bombing that triggered the events of her route never happened but for Amane it would be harder unless they had him resolve the issue in a different way than loving her as a romantic interest.
+ Show Spoiler [Grisaia no Meikyuu (2nd game)] +While there are five different routes for GnK, Meikyuu and Rakuen are based on the premise that Yuuji is a god and he helps all five girls at the same time but doesn't commit to one single girl romantically. All the girls do fall for him though.
It's sort of a cop out that he can solve everyone's problem but you just have to remember that it's a harem VN at the very base level. So just smile and go with it. ;3 + Show Spoiler +So am I to assume there is no continuity between the games then and its just more scenarios of the same time period? Where I am assuming that like you said include the harem route where he goes out/fucks them all and they are cool with that. Well if they do a harem route its not necessarily bad but I hope they go all out then and show a happy ending where they are all living together etc. I also wonder if they do something with JB/His master/Sister since they went out of their way to have an opening for her to return. + Show Spoiler +Not quite sure what you mean by continuity between the games. ;;
Uh, I should preface that any flash forward at the end of any girl's route in GnK is considered non-canon in the sequels.
No, none of the girls mind too much that that you're dating/banging the others. They obv are jealous (some more than others), etc but what can they do, you're the MC and they're all thoroughly attached to you after you 'save' them in the first game. Show nested quote +On November 02 2014 19:23 Ryuhou)aS( wrote:holy fucking shit. Finished Amane route. One thing that hit me as it was going was Amane's character, and all of her actions began to just make so much sense to me. like seeing what happened to her, everything just clicked sorta and i fully understood every one of her actions earlier in beginning (even stuff that they didn't blatantly come out and say) + Show Spoiler [AmaneRoute] + Not at all what i was expecting from this thing. I'm a little blown away b/c I was expecting ya know, happy go lucky stuff that was the main route, then all the sex stuff that started (which seemed pointless i guess, i mean if you make a really good story, you would never have to use that stuff just to sell the thing). And then that flashback just like, Took me for a huge surprise. (like I knew that something traumatic had happened in her past, but i didn't think it would be as insane and detailed as that). I donno I'm still a little flabbergasted by the whole thing. imo though, it was overall a really really good story. Sure there's a few things that could have been done better like Amane and Yuuji "bumping" into each other and then falling in love is not something that's easily believable. Somebody would have had to have said something long before that all happened. Especially since like the fucking school principal knew everything, and then just stayed completely out of it even though she was asked on her opinion of their relationship. I can see how some people would complain about some other story holes (especially in the flashback) but to be honest, I'm really good at accepting fantasy as fantasy and unbounding the laws of reality from the fantasy in order to just enjoy it for what it really is meant to be...if that makes any sense to anybody but myself lolol. All in all I thoroughly enjoyed the experience of this story and completely got sucked in so hard. Like I've spent all my saturday on Grisaia and have no regrets whatsoever. + Show Spoiler [Amane, etc] +Grats on finish Amane's route~
If there's anything you learn from GnK, it's that 1) all the girls behave well within reason given their history and back story. Amane might act all slutty as soon as she met Yuuji but you soon realize why she's like that after Angelic Howl. Other characters started out annoying but even I got around it after knowing what happened to them. In the end, I truly do find all the characters likable and I think that's good story writing, at least for me. 2) Yuuji's always there to lending a helping hand because in the end, he's just as broken, if not more, than all the other students at Mihama. "You have to help yourself" is essentially the fable of the first game.
Grisaia is def a Halloween weekend well spent~
Edit: oh, and also, yeah, a lot of 'issues' during routes could have been circumvented if ChizuChizu just told Yuuji what happened to x girl. But then you have to remember that Yuuji remains consistent in that he doesn't want to know about what happened to the girls until they're ready to tell him. A tit-for-tat of sorts since none of the girls go poking around Yuuji's past in GnK.
+ Show Spoiler [Amane/GnK stuff] + I understand that Yuuji was really adamant about not being told about the girls backgrounds until they were ready to tell him. My point is though that if something like that were to really happen, the principal would have definitely stepped in to say something (maybe not in the beginning, or as they're becoming friends, but once she found out they were getting into an intimate relationship Yuuji's protestations would have/should have been ignored. I think it's better for Amane and better for Yuuji if at that point everything was brought out in the open. With all that being said, it's not like it really changed my views on the overall story, that was still really good. And in some way it even makes sense that it was good that they went through the relationship and really fell in love with each other before all that came out, b/c if they didn't, Yuuji could very well have condemned Amane causing her to spiral out of control into depression/suicide, and it's technically possible Yuuji could have spiraled out of control as well.
Also your point of "you have to help yourself" is the moral probably the best response to the story i've seen so far. Or at the very least it rings the most true out of everything i've read/though about it.
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On November 03 2014 01:16 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 01:07 bluegarfield wrote:
^it was quite slow at first, which I don't really mind THAT much. But the main mc is somewhat lame, like the weak useless one who always talk about saving the the world and what not. It's not like I don't give the character room to grow, it was just a bit slow and kinda typical/boring you would say.
However the main tipping point was the animation, or rather the lack of animation. It feel more like watching a slideshow than an anime in the first 2-3 episodes. If the story develop to be good enough, I would just give it another try, since at least it's color and some animation is better than static manga hmm fair points. Yes, the main MC is weak. I feel like it's something that you'll have to accept to watch it tbh. I don't personally mind it though I would prefer that he holds him own for a bit if he ever got into a fight. Someone who read the source said that he'll be weak for a while (I think) so I came to peace with it lol.
that would be me. :/
yeah you gotta deal with his weakness, for the time being....
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On November 03 2014 01:34 Ryuhou)aS( wrote:Show nested quote +On November 02 2014 22:40 KazeHydra wrote:On November 02 2014 19:23 Ryuhou)aS( wrote:holy fucking shit. Finished Amane route. One thing that hit me as it was going was Amane's character, and all of her actions began to just make so much sense to me. like seeing what happened to her, everything just clicked sorta and i fully understood every one of her actions earlier in beginning (even stuff that they didn't blatantly come out and say) + Show Spoiler [AmaneRoute] + Not at all what i was expecting from this thing. I'm a little blown away b/c I was expecting ya know, happy go lucky stuff that was the main route, then all the sex stuff that started (which seemed pointless i guess, i mean if you make a really good story, you would never have to use that stuff just to sell the thing). And then that flashback just like, Took me for a huge surprise. (like I knew that something traumatic had happened in her past, but i didn't think it would be as insane and detailed as that). I donno I'm still a little flabbergasted by the whole thing. imo though, it was overall a really really good story. Sure there's a few things that could have been done better like Amane and Yuuji "bumping" into each other and then falling in love is not something that's easily believable. Somebody would have had to have said something long before that all happened. Especially since like the fucking school principal knew everything, and then just stayed completely out of it even though she was asked on her opinion of their relationship. I can see how some people would complain about some other story holes (especially in the flashback) but to be honest, I'm really good at accepting fantasy as fantasy and unbounding the laws of reality from the fantasy in order to just enjoy it for what it really is meant to be...if that makes any sense to anybody but myself lolol. All in all I thoroughly enjoyed the experience of this story and completely got sucked in so hard. Like I've spent all my saturday on Grisaia and have no regrets whatsoever. + Show Spoiler [Amane Route] +Wait, at what point would you call Amane's route fantasy? Maybe you can make an argument for unrealistic (even though it's pretty copy pasted from a real life event) but fantasy? Well I guess fantasy is not exactly the right word. I think i probably meant more like the difference between Fiction and Non-Fiction, i guess. I was already at the very end of my adrenaline pushing me through the night and about ready to pass out at the point of writing that. Thinking about it, it's definitely something that possibly could happen/have happened but it's very unlikely that that's how it would unfold. But my original point was twofold in that A) anybody can really sit down and poke holes in any story to make it out to be not as good as it really is and B) even though I can see holes in a story it doesn't stop me from accepting those and moving through the story anyways and enjoying it (as long as they're not too completely ridiculous and the story is good enough) Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 00:25 Slaughter wrote:On November 02 2014 22:40 KazeHydra wrote:On November 02 2014 19:23 Ryuhou)aS( wrote:holy fucking shit. Finished Amane route. One thing that hit me as it was going was Amane's character, and all of her actions began to just make so much sense to me. like seeing what happened to her, everything just clicked sorta and i fully understood every one of her actions earlier in beginning (even stuff that they didn't blatantly come out and say) + Show Spoiler [AmaneRoute] + Not at all what i was expecting from this thing. I'm a little blown away b/c I was expecting ya know, happy go lucky stuff that was the main route, then all the sex stuff that started (which seemed pointless i guess, i mean if you make a really good story, you would never have to use that stuff just to sell the thing). And then that flashback just like, Took me for a huge surprise. (like I knew that something traumatic had happened in her past, but i didn't think it would be as insane and detailed as that). I donno I'm still a little flabbergasted by the whole thing. imo though, it was overall a really really good story. Sure there's a few things that could have been done better like Amane and Yuuji "bumping" into each other and then falling in love is not something that's easily believable. Somebody would have had to have said something long before that all happened. Especially since like the fucking school principal knew everything, and then just stayed completely out of it even though she was asked on her opinion of their relationship. I can see how some people would complain about some other story holes (especially in the flashback) but to be honest, I'm really good at accepting fantasy as fantasy and unbounding the laws of reality from the fantasy in order to just enjoy it for what it really is meant to be...if that makes any sense to anybody but myself lolol. All in all I thoroughly enjoyed the experience of this story and completely got sucked in so hard. Like I've spent all my saturday on Grisaia and have no regrets whatsoever. Wait, at what point would you call Amane's route fantasy? Maybe you can make an argument for unrealistic (even though it's pretty copy pasted from a real life event) but fantasy? Really an event that happened in Japan? + Show Spoiler +
The thing that felt so unrealistic is that the "genius" and everyone else waited so long before attempting to leave for help when the "genius" had worked out a plan and method for doing so (even suggested it on the 1st day). Instead she waits until people get the desperation point then just peaces out with Amane while damning everyone else as ":ghouls who could never go back to society" because they practiced cannibalism.
+ Show Spoiler [Amane] + I understand your point about how Kazuki had figured out how to leave and suggested it on day 1 then let it go until only Amane would survive, but in a situation like this it's always best to try to stay together in one place and wait for rescue. Always. Plus there was never any actual guarantee that anybody would make it out that way, it would have been more likely that they got lost and wondered in the jungle until they all died (plus going through a jungle like that poses it's own problems with predators, poisonous insects and so forth). But it does make sense that if Kazuki actually saw all of what happened coming, then leaving just her and Amane right away would have been the best option (since those two had the best "chance" of making it out, and if they make it out early like that they could get help in rescuing everybody else). And then writing that last sentence a counter argument crossed my mind that the rest of the group would never have lasted as long as they did without Kazuki, so would they even be alive still if Kazuki/Amane made it out and sent help?
About the "ghouls" I donno. While I think it's possible for people in that situation to practice cannibalism and return to society, that wasn't exactly the case here. I'm thinking it was more like these people had lost everything that made them human by then and could only live/act based on instinct like animals. And the act of cannibalism probably wasn't the thing that "broke" them either, it was more like just an action they took after they had already been "broken" long before. Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 00:32 NeoIllusions wrote:On November 02 2014 16:03 Slaughter wrote:On November 02 2014 15:45 NeoIllusions wrote:On November 02 2014 15:22 Slaughter wrote:General musing about Grisaia + Show Spoiler +
I wonder how they will deal with the outcomes of the other girls while you are pursing one. In Makina's route since it was the first you just kind of say "alright its whatever they will be fine" but as I progress I wonder more about leaving the other girls to their fate. One thing I liked about the Amane route is that they specifically showed that Makina would be ok in the end (still didn't cover the others though). Now starting Sachi's route I really am like "well what about Amane? Her particular story is pretty tied to the MC specifically. With Makina you can simply say that the bombing that triggered the events of her route never happened but for Amane it would be harder unless they had him resolve the issue in a different way than loving her as a romantic interest.
+ Show Spoiler [Grisaia no Meikyuu (2nd game)] +While there are five different routes for GnK, Meikyuu and Rakuen are based on the premise that Yuuji is a god and he helps all five girls at the same time but doesn't commit to one single girl romantically. All the girls do fall for him though.
It's sort of a cop out that he can solve everyone's problem but you just have to remember that it's a harem VN at the very base level. So just smile and go with it. ;3 + Show Spoiler +So am I to assume there is no continuity between the games then and its just more scenarios of the same time period? Where I am assuming that like you said include the harem route where he goes out/fucks them all and they are cool with that. Well if they do a harem route its not necessarily bad but I hope they go all out then and show a happy ending where they are all living together etc. I also wonder if they do something with JB/His master/Sister since they went out of their way to have an opening for her to return. + Show Spoiler +Not quite sure what you mean by continuity between the games. ;;
Uh, I should preface that any flash forward at the end of any girl's route in GnK is considered non-canon in the sequels.
No, none of the girls mind too much that that you're dating/banging the others. They obv are jealous (some more than others), etc but what can they do, you're the MC and they're all thoroughly attached to you after you 'save' them in the first game. On November 02 2014 19:23 Ryuhou)aS( wrote:holy fucking shit. Finished Amane route. One thing that hit me as it was going was Amane's character, and all of her actions began to just make so much sense to me. like seeing what happened to her, everything just clicked sorta and i fully understood every one of her actions earlier in beginning (even stuff that they didn't blatantly come out and say) + Show Spoiler [AmaneRoute] + Not at all what i was expecting from this thing. I'm a little blown away b/c I was expecting ya know, happy go lucky stuff that was the main route, then all the sex stuff that started (which seemed pointless i guess, i mean if you make a really good story, you would never have to use that stuff just to sell the thing). And then that flashback just like, Took me for a huge surprise. (like I knew that something traumatic had happened in her past, but i didn't think it would be as insane and detailed as that). I donno I'm still a little flabbergasted by the whole thing. imo though, it was overall a really really good story. Sure there's a few things that could have been done better like Amane and Yuuji "bumping" into each other and then falling in love is not something that's easily believable. Somebody would have had to have said something long before that all happened. Especially since like the fucking school principal knew everything, and then just stayed completely out of it even though she was asked on her opinion of their relationship. I can see how some people would complain about some other story holes (especially in the flashback) but to be honest, I'm really good at accepting fantasy as fantasy and unbounding the laws of reality from the fantasy in order to just enjoy it for what it really is meant to be...if that makes any sense to anybody but myself lolol. All in all I thoroughly enjoyed the experience of this story and completely got sucked in so hard. Like I've spent all my saturday on Grisaia and have no regrets whatsoever. + Show Spoiler [Amane, etc] +Grats on finish Amane's route~
If there's anything you learn from GnK, it's that 1) all the girls behave well within reason given their history and back story. Amane might act all slutty as soon as she met Yuuji but you soon realize why she's like that after Angelic Howl. Other characters started out annoying but even I got around it after knowing what happened to them. In the end, I truly do find all the characters likable and I think that's good story writing, at least for me. 2) Yuuji's always there to lending a helping hand because in the end, he's just as broken, if not more, than all the other students at Mihama. "You have to help yourself" is essentially the fable of the first game.
Grisaia is def a Halloween weekend well spent~
Edit: oh, and also, yeah, a lot of 'issues' during routes could have been circumvented if ChizuChizu just told Yuuji what happened to x girl. But then you have to remember that Yuuji remains consistent in that he doesn't want to know about what happened to the girls until they're ready to tell him. A tit-for-tat of sorts since none of the girls go poking around Yuuji's past in GnK. + Show Spoiler [Amane/GnK stuff] + I understand that Yuuji was really adamant about not being told about the girls backgrounds until they were ready to tell him. My point is though that if something like that were to really happen, the principal would have definitely stepped in to say something (maybe not in the beginning, or as they're becoming friends, but once she found out they were getting into an intimate relationship Yuuji's protestations would have/should have been ignored. I think it's better for Amane and better for Yuuji if at that point everything was brought out in the open. With all that being said, it's not like it really changed my views on the overall story, that was still really good. And in some way it even makes sense that it was good that they went through the relationship and really fell in love with each other before all that came out, b/c if they didn't, Yuuji could very well have condemned Amane causing her to spiral out of control into depression/suicide, and it's technically possible Yuuji could have spiraled out of control as well.
Also your point of "you have to help yourself" is the moral probably the best response to the story i've seen so far. Or at the very least it rings the most true out of everything i've read/though about it.
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It wasn't that they turned into this "ghoul" state because its not an uncommon thing in survivor stories but it was just so freaking sudden. Everyone suddenly just went into crazy primitive beast mode the moment they caught those 2 fucking with body parts lying around (which I thought was unnecessary added shock value to add sex into it). You are right in that there is always a risk but they decided to wait a bit then start try to escape themselves and they said something like "we will give it a week". If Kazuki had taken Amane on day 7 they likely would have made it before the crazy set in. Hell the Captain character pretty much told her on day 1 she could go out looking for help on day 1 if she wanted. Plus when the teacher himself on that very mission she didn't share her method of getting off the mountain? Why the hell wouldn't she?
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On November 03 2014 01:16 BigFan wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 01:07 bluegarfield wrote:
^it was quite slow at first, which I don't really mind THAT much. But the main mc is somewhat lame, like the weak useless one who always talk about saving the the world and what not. It's not like I don't give the character room to grow, it was just a bit slow and kinda typical/boring you would say.
However the main tipping point was the animation, or rather the lack of animation. It feel more like watching a slideshow than an anime in the first 2-3 episodes. If the story develop to be good enough, I would just give it another try, since at least it's color and some animation is better than static manga hmm fair points. Yes, the main MC is weak. I feel like it's something that you'll have to accept to watch it tbh. I don't personally mind it though I would prefer that he holds him own for a bit if he ever got into a fight. Someone who read the source said that he'll be weak for a while (I think) so I came to peace with it lol. Animation wise, in all honesty, I don't even pay much attention to it since I still found the story interesting enough. These neighbours, why are they invading? just a land grab? what's the story there? What about border? Border ranks? How do they chose ranks? Obviously skills but death fight? What about all the other characters in the OP? I know they'll make an appearance or already have so what's their story? How does everything relate? Lots of questions and many more. I'm sure they'll be answered in due time (or have already been answered). The anime that I can say so far has pretty bad animation (or feels a bit static or something etc...) is Ushinawareta Mirai but I can understand why it would be hard to watch an anime if you feel its badly done
Being weak is fine, just need to grow stronger, even if it takes long time. Being useless is not fine however. + Show Spoiler +With Yuuma doing all the fighting, I was just guessing that Osamu will remain useless. Of course Yuuma will leave his side one day, even go back to Neighbors side and they 2 have to fight each other, but that will be too cliche.
Normally I don't mind animation that much actually. Some shows like Vanadis + Show Spoiler +![[image loading]](http://i.gyazo.com/0be7174ac105db0184e5ef752e1a5613.gif) like really what kind of horse-riding is that don't have gif but in ep17 when Thor fighting Thymm it just look dumb
Story-wise, thank you for pointing out, I agree with you. I actually took certain things for granted, like how Trigger works (info-dumped by Yuuma in ep3 I believe) or the ranking within Borders. Just me being bored by the slow start of the story, and how tame the situation appears to be + Show Spoiler +Gates are contained within danger zones, Neighbors monsters are not that devastating yet, etc
Oh, and I am afraid of bad story/bad ending haha. I read random manga when I am bored and end up with many undesirable story development/ending that sometimes I rather get spoilered before starting a new one lololol
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On November 03 2014 01:49 Slaughter wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 01:34 Ryuhou)aS( wrote:On November 02 2014 22:40 KazeHydra wrote:On November 02 2014 19:23 Ryuhou)aS( wrote:holy fucking shit. Finished Amane route. One thing that hit me as it was going was Amane's character, and all of her actions began to just make so much sense to me. like seeing what happened to her, everything just clicked sorta and i fully understood every one of her actions earlier in beginning (even stuff that they didn't blatantly come out and say) + Show Spoiler [AmaneRoute] + Not at all what i was expecting from this thing. I'm a little blown away b/c I was expecting ya know, happy go lucky stuff that was the main route, then all the sex stuff that started (which seemed pointless i guess, i mean if you make a really good story, you would never have to use that stuff just to sell the thing). And then that flashback just like, Took me for a huge surprise. (like I knew that something traumatic had happened in her past, but i didn't think it would be as insane and detailed as that). I donno I'm still a little flabbergasted by the whole thing. imo though, it was overall a really really good story. Sure there's a few things that could have been done better like Amane and Yuuji "bumping" into each other and then falling in love is not something that's easily believable. Somebody would have had to have said something long before that all happened. Especially since like the fucking school principal knew everything, and then just stayed completely out of it even though she was asked on her opinion of their relationship. I can see how some people would complain about some other story holes (especially in the flashback) but to be honest, I'm really good at accepting fantasy as fantasy and unbounding the laws of reality from the fantasy in order to just enjoy it for what it really is meant to be...if that makes any sense to anybody but myself lolol. All in all I thoroughly enjoyed the experience of this story and completely got sucked in so hard. Like I've spent all my saturday on Grisaia and have no regrets whatsoever. + Show Spoiler [Amane Route] +Wait, at what point would you call Amane's route fantasy? Maybe you can make an argument for unrealistic (even though it's pretty copy pasted from a real life event) but fantasy? Well I guess fantasy is not exactly the right word. I think i probably meant more like the difference between Fiction and Non-Fiction, i guess. I was already at the very end of my adrenaline pushing me through the night and about ready to pass out at the point of writing that. Thinking about it, it's definitely something that possibly could happen/have happened but it's very unlikely that that's how it would unfold. But my original point was twofold in that A) anybody can really sit down and poke holes in any story to make it out to be not as good as it really is and B) even though I can see holes in a story it doesn't stop me from accepting those and moving through the story anyways and enjoying it (as long as they're not too completely ridiculous and the story is good enough) On November 03 2014 00:25 Slaughter wrote:On November 02 2014 22:40 KazeHydra wrote:On November 02 2014 19:23 Ryuhou)aS( wrote:holy fucking shit. Finished Amane route. One thing that hit me as it was going was Amane's character, and all of her actions began to just make so much sense to me. like seeing what happened to her, everything just clicked sorta and i fully understood every one of her actions earlier in beginning (even stuff that they didn't blatantly come out and say) + Show Spoiler [AmaneRoute] + Not at all what i was expecting from this thing. I'm a little blown away b/c I was expecting ya know, happy go lucky stuff that was the main route, then all the sex stuff that started (which seemed pointless i guess, i mean if you make a really good story, you would never have to use that stuff just to sell the thing). And then that flashback just like, Took me for a huge surprise. (like I knew that something traumatic had happened in her past, but i didn't think it would be as insane and detailed as that). I donno I'm still a little flabbergasted by the whole thing. imo though, it was overall a really really good story. Sure there's a few things that could have been done better like Amane and Yuuji "bumping" into each other and then falling in love is not something that's easily believable. Somebody would have had to have said something long before that all happened. Especially since like the fucking school principal knew everything, and then just stayed completely out of it even though she was asked on her opinion of their relationship. I can see how some people would complain about some other story holes (especially in the flashback) but to be honest, I'm really good at accepting fantasy as fantasy and unbounding the laws of reality from the fantasy in order to just enjoy it for what it really is meant to be...if that makes any sense to anybody but myself lolol. All in all I thoroughly enjoyed the experience of this story and completely got sucked in so hard. Like I've spent all my saturday on Grisaia and have no regrets whatsoever. Wait, at what point would you call Amane's route fantasy? Maybe you can make an argument for unrealistic (even though it's pretty copy pasted from a real life event) but fantasy? Really an event that happened in Japan? + Show Spoiler +
The thing that felt so unrealistic is that the "genius" and everyone else waited so long before attempting to leave for help when the "genius" had worked out a plan and method for doing so (even suggested it on the 1st day). Instead she waits until people get the desperation point then just peaces out with Amane while damning everyone else as ":ghouls who could never go back to society" because they practiced cannibalism.
+ Show Spoiler [Amane] + I understand your point about how Kazuki had figured out how to leave and suggested it on day 1 then let it go until only Amane would survive, but in a situation like this it's always best to try to stay together in one place and wait for rescue. Always. Plus there was never any actual guarantee that anybody would make it out that way, it would have been more likely that they got lost and wondered in the jungle until they all died (plus going through a jungle like that poses it's own problems with predators, poisonous insects and so forth). But it does make sense that if Kazuki actually saw all of what happened coming, then leaving just her and Amane right away would have been the best option (since those two had the best "chance" of making it out, and if they make it out early like that they could get help in rescuing everybody else). And then writing that last sentence a counter argument crossed my mind that the rest of the group would never have lasted as long as they did without Kazuki, so would they even be alive still if Kazuki/Amane made it out and sent help?
About the "ghouls" I donno. While I think it's possible for people in that situation to practice cannibalism and return to society, that wasn't exactly the case here. I'm thinking it was more like these people had lost everything that made them human by then and could only live/act based on instinct like animals. And the act of cannibalism probably wasn't the thing that "broke" them either, it was more like just an action they took after they had already been "broken" long before. On November 03 2014 00:32 NeoIllusions wrote:On November 02 2014 16:03 Slaughter wrote:On November 02 2014 15:45 NeoIllusions wrote:On November 02 2014 15:22 Slaughter wrote:General musing about Grisaia + Show Spoiler +
I wonder how they will deal with the outcomes of the other girls while you are pursing one. In Makina's route since it was the first you just kind of say "alright its whatever they will be fine" but as I progress I wonder more about leaving the other girls to their fate. One thing I liked about the Amane route is that they specifically showed that Makina would be ok in the end (still didn't cover the others though). Now starting Sachi's route I really am like "well what about Amane? Her particular story is pretty tied to the MC specifically. With Makina you can simply say that the bombing that triggered the events of her route never happened but for Amane it would be harder unless they had him resolve the issue in a different way than loving her as a romantic interest.
+ Show Spoiler [Grisaia no Meikyuu (2nd game)] +While there are five different routes for GnK, Meikyuu and Rakuen are based on the premise that Yuuji is a god and he helps all five girls at the same time but doesn't commit to one single girl romantically. All the girls do fall for him though.
It's sort of a cop out that he can solve everyone's problem but you just have to remember that it's a harem VN at the very base level. So just smile and go with it. ;3 + Show Spoiler +So am I to assume there is no continuity between the games then and its just more scenarios of the same time period? Where I am assuming that like you said include the harem route where he goes out/fucks them all and they are cool with that. Well if they do a harem route its not necessarily bad but I hope they go all out then and show a happy ending where they are all living together etc. I also wonder if they do something with JB/His master/Sister since they went out of their way to have an opening for her to return. + Show Spoiler +Not quite sure what you mean by continuity between the games. ;;
Uh, I should preface that any flash forward at the end of any girl's route in GnK is considered non-canon in the sequels.
No, none of the girls mind too much that that you're dating/banging the others. They obv are jealous (some more than others), etc but what can they do, you're the MC and they're all thoroughly attached to you after you 'save' them in the first game. On November 02 2014 19:23 Ryuhou)aS( wrote:holy fucking shit. Finished Amane route. One thing that hit me as it was going was Amane's character, and all of her actions began to just make so much sense to me. like seeing what happened to her, everything just clicked sorta and i fully understood every one of her actions earlier in beginning (even stuff that they didn't blatantly come out and say) + Show Spoiler [AmaneRoute] + Not at all what i was expecting from this thing. I'm a little blown away b/c I was expecting ya know, happy go lucky stuff that was the main route, then all the sex stuff that started (which seemed pointless i guess, i mean if you make a really good story, you would never have to use that stuff just to sell the thing). And then that flashback just like, Took me for a huge surprise. (like I knew that something traumatic had happened in her past, but i didn't think it would be as insane and detailed as that). I donno I'm still a little flabbergasted by the whole thing. imo though, it was overall a really really good story. Sure there's a few things that could have been done better like Amane and Yuuji "bumping" into each other and then falling in love is not something that's easily believable. Somebody would have had to have said something long before that all happened. Especially since like the fucking school principal knew everything, and then just stayed completely out of it even though she was asked on her opinion of their relationship. I can see how some people would complain about some other story holes (especially in the flashback) but to be honest, I'm really good at accepting fantasy as fantasy and unbounding the laws of reality from the fantasy in order to just enjoy it for what it really is meant to be...if that makes any sense to anybody but myself lolol. All in all I thoroughly enjoyed the experience of this story and completely got sucked in so hard. Like I've spent all my saturday on Grisaia and have no regrets whatsoever. + Show Spoiler [Amane, etc] +Grats on finish Amane's route~
If there's anything you learn from GnK, it's that 1) all the girls behave well within reason given their history and back story. Amane might act all slutty as soon as she met Yuuji but you soon realize why she's like that after Angelic Howl. Other characters started out annoying but even I got around it after knowing what happened to them. In the end, I truly do find all the characters likable and I think that's good story writing, at least for me. 2) Yuuji's always there to lending a helping hand because in the end, he's just as broken, if not more, than all the other students at Mihama. "You have to help yourself" is essentially the fable of the first game.
Grisaia is def a Halloween weekend well spent~
Edit: oh, and also, yeah, a lot of 'issues' during routes could have been circumvented if ChizuChizu just told Yuuji what happened to x girl. But then you have to remember that Yuuji remains consistent in that he doesn't want to know about what happened to the girls until they're ready to tell him. A tit-for-tat of sorts since none of the girls go poking around Yuuji's past in GnK. + Show Spoiler [Amane/GnK stuff] + I understand that Yuuji was really adamant about not being told about the girls backgrounds until they were ready to tell him. My point is though that if something like that were to really happen, the principal would have definitely stepped in to say something (maybe not in the beginning, or as they're becoming friends, but once she found out they were getting into an intimate relationship Yuuji's protestations would have/should have been ignored. I think it's better for Amane and better for Yuuji if at that point everything was brought out in the open. With all that being said, it's not like it really changed my views on the overall story, that was still really good. And in some way it even makes sense that it was good that they went through the relationship and really fell in love with each other before all that came out, b/c if they didn't, Yuuji could very well have condemned Amane causing her to spiral out of control into depression/suicide, and it's technically possible Yuuji could have spiraled out of control as well.
Also your point of "you have to help yourself" is the moral probably the best response to the story i've seen so far. Or at the very least it rings the most true out of everything i've read/though about it. + Show Spoiler +
It wasn't that they turned into this "ghoul" state because its not an uncommon thing in survivor stories but it was just so freaking sudden. Everyone suddenly just went into crazy primitive beast mode the moment they caught those 2 fucking with body parts lying around (which I thought was unnecessary added shock value to add sex into it). You are right in that there is always a risk but they decided to wait a bit then start try to escape themselves and they said something like "we will give it a week". If Kazuki had taken Amane on day 7 they likely would have made it before the crazy set in. Hell the Captain character pretty much told her on day 1 she could go out looking for help on day 1 if she wanted. Plus when the teacher himself on that very mission she didn't share her method of getting off the mountain? Why the hell wouldn't she?
+ Show Spoiler + I'm agreed that it was definitely too sudden. I understand the captain and teacher going insane like that, as there wasn't much showing them to be really coherent in the first place. Like the captain was already under a ton of stress from being the leader that couldn't do anything, and then having her position sort of usurped by kazuki can definitely be a fatal blow to her sanity (even though Kazuki wasn't really trying to hurt the captain, she was just trying to help everyone, it's still something I see as a catalyst to the captain losing herself) and it was explained that the teacher was barely holding it together when they were just a basketball team (like before the crash/incident). But the rest of the girls (especially like Sakuma-senpai) was a little bit harder to believe that all of a sudden they had lost it. Some of them I'd understand (like the green haired girl who was fully in dementia from vitamin deficiencies and the girl with the cut on her head who was eating maggots out of it) but all of them, all of a sudden, i get your point.
In the end we can play what if what if what if all day long but what happened is what happened and I just accept it for what it is.
Edit: on a side note i was doing this route without a walkthrough b/c i wanted to see how my decisions would play out, and i definitely got the bad ending first (it was the final decision run away with her/run away separately that did me in) lol
Also, I just now was thinking about what to do today, and i hovered over starting a new route for a full 5 minutes before saying "man i donno if i'm ready to go through a-whole-nother one of those" haha
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On November 03 2014 01:49 bluegarfield wrote:Show nested quote +On November 03 2014 01:16 BigFan wrote:On November 03 2014 01:07 bluegarfield wrote:
^it was quite slow at first, which I don't really mind THAT much. But the main mc is somewhat lame, like the weak useless one who always talk about saving the the world and what not. It's not like I don't give the character room to grow, it was just a bit slow and kinda typical/boring you would say.
However the main tipping point was the animation, or rather the lack of animation. It feel more like watching a slideshow than an anime in the first 2-3 episodes. If the story develop to be good enough, I would just give it another try, since at least it's color and some animation is better than static manga hmm fair points. Yes, the main MC is weak. I feel like it's something that you'll have to accept to watch it tbh. I don't personally mind it though I would prefer that he holds him own for a bit if he ever got into a fight. Someone who read the source said that he'll be weak for a while (I think) so I came to peace with it lol. Animation wise, in all honesty, I don't even pay much attention to it since I still found the story interesting enough. These neighbours, why are they invading? just a land grab? what's the story there? What about border? Border ranks? How do they chose ranks? Obviously skills but death fight? What about all the other characters in the OP? I know they'll make an appearance or already have so what's their story? How does everything relate? Lots of questions and many more. I'm sure they'll be answered in due time (or have already been answered). The anime that I can say so far has pretty bad animation (or feels a bit static or something etc...) is Ushinawareta Mirai but I can understand why it would be hard to watch an anime if you feel its badly done Being weak is fine, just need to grow stronger, even if it takes long time. Being useless is not fine however. + Show Spoiler +With Yuuma doing all the fighting, I was just guessing that Osamu will remain useless. Of course Yuuma will leave his side one day, even go back to Neighbors side and they 2 have to fight each other, but that will be too cliche. At least I know he will grow now. Normally I don't mind animation that much actually. Some shows like Vanadis + Show Spoiler + like really what kind of horse-riding is that or even SAO + Show Spoiler +don't have gif but in ep17 when Thor fighting Thymm it just look dumb had their derp moment as well. It's just happen that we have UBW and Bahamut this season that push the expectation over the roof. Even put Ushinawareta Mirai wo Motomete on hold despite having Airi being a boss because weird animation. Story-wise, thank you for pointing out, I agree with you. I actually took certain things for granted, like how Trigger works (info-dumped by Yuuma in ep3 I believe) or the ranking within Borders. Just me being bored by the slow start of the story, and how tame the situation appears to be + Show Spoiler +Gates are contained within danger zones, Neighbors monsters are not that devastating yet, etc . Also, I like shows that give a lot of subtle hints more than straight up explanation. More room for speculation Oh, and I am afraid of bad story/bad ending haha. I read random manga when I am bored and end up with many undesirable story development/ending that sometimes I rather get spoilered before starting a new one lololol
One thing I really liked about the Sanderson books(Some of them at least) is that the explanations come from the characters themselves so it's entirely possible they don't understand everything properly thus giving you an incorrect view of how the world/magic/situation works. Feel people are far to quick to give you 100% accurate detailed information in stories.
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