Anime Discussion Thread - Page 4345

Not at all what i was expecting from this thing. I'm a little blown away b/c I was expecting ya know, happy go lucky stuff that was the main route, then all the sex stuff that started (which seemed pointless i guess, i mean if you make a really good story, you would never have to use that stuff just to sell the thing). And then that flashback just like, Took me for a huge surprise. (like I knew that something traumatic had happened in her past, but i didn't think it would be as insane and detailed as that). I donno I'm still a little flabbergasted by the whole thing. imo though, it was overall a really really good story. Sure there's a few things that could have been done better like Amane and Yuuji "bumping" into each other and then falling in love is not something that's easily believable. Somebody would have had to have said something long before that all happened. Especially since like the fucking school principal knew everything, and then just stayed completely out of it even though she was asked on her opinion of their relationship. I can see how some people would complain about some other story holes (especially in the flashback) but to be honest, I'm really good at accepting fantasy as fantasy and unbounding the laws of reality from the fantasy in order to just enjoy it for what it really is meant to be...if that makes any sense to anybody but myself lolol.

Wait, at what point would you call Amane's route fantasy? Maybe you can make an argument for unrealistic (even though it's pretty copy pasted from a real life event) but fantasy?

Everyone is dead lol

The thing that felt so unrealistic is that the "genius" and everyone else waited so long before attempting to leave for help when the "genius" had worked out a plan and method for doing so (even suggested it on the 1st day). Instead she waits until people get the desperation point then just peaces out with Amane while damning everyone else as ":ghouls who could never go back to society" because they practiced cannibalism.

Not quite sure what you mean by continuity between the games. ;;
Uh, I should preface that any flash forward at the end of any girl's route in GnK is considered non-canon in the sequels.
No, none of the girls mind too much that that you're dating/banging the others. They obv are jealous (some more than others), etc but what can they do, you're the MC and they're all thoroughly attached to you after you 'save' them in the first game.

Grats on finish Amane's route~
If there's anything you learn from GnK, it's that 1) all the girls behave well within reason given their history and back story. Amane might act all slutty as soon as she met Yuuji but you soon realize why she's like that after Angelic Howl. Other characters started out annoying but even I got around it after knowing what happened to them. In the end, I truly do find all the characters likable and I think that's good story writing, at least for me. 2) Yuuji's always there to lending a helping hand because in the end, he's just as broken, if not more, than all the other students at Mihama. "You have to help yourself" is essentially the fable of the first game.
Grisaia is def a Halloween weekend well spent~

Edit: oh, and also, yeah, a lot of 'issues' during routes could have been circumvented if ChizuChizu just told Yuuji what happened to x girl. But then you have to remember that Yuuji remains consistent in that he doesn't want to know about what happened to the girls until they're ready to tell him. A tit-for-tat of sorts since none of the girls go poking around Yuuji's past in GnK.

rofl the fanservice is comical it's really good. a nice change of mood from previous eps. And snake confirmed MVP wingman.

Anyway, interesting to see a male Norma, when prev ep said that only female (?) can be Norma. May be Tusk is a child of Norma mother + Mana father. Regardless, his memory flashbacks are really intriguing, especially the part involving the Commander and Tusk's parents and the Vilkiss. And Tusk has his own para-mail. Interesting.

there is no Titta around. Annoying loli

Come to think of it, I didn't really like the maid archetype before Sachi.
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I understand your point about how Kazuki had figured out how to leave and suggested it on day 1 then let it go until only Amane would survive, but in a situation like this it's always best to try to stay together in one place and wait for rescue. Always. Plus there was never any actual guarantee that anybody would make it out that way, it would have been more likely that they got lost and wondered in the jungle until they all died (plus going through a jungle like that poses it's own problems with predators, poisonous insects and so forth). But it does make sense that if Kazuki actually saw all of what happened coming, then leaving just her and Amane right away would have been the best option (since those two had the best "chance" of making it out, and if they make it out early like that they could get help in rescuing everybody else). And then writing that last sentence a counter argument crossed my mind that the rest of the group would never have lasted as long as they did without Kazuki, so would they even be alive still if Kazuki/Amane made it out and sent help?

About the "ghouls" I donno. While I think it's possible for people in that situation to practice cannibalism and return to society, that wasn't exactly the case here. I'm thinking it was more like these people had lost everything that made them human by then and could only live/act based on instinct like animals. And the act of cannibalism probably wasn't the thing that "broke" them either, it was more like just an action they took after they had already been "broken" long before.

I understand that Yuuji was really adamant about not being told about the girls backgrounds until they were ready to tell him. My point is though that if something like that were to really happen, the principal would have definitely stepped in to say something (maybe not in the beginning, or as they're becoming friends, but once she found out they were getting into an intimate relationship Yuuji's protestations would have/should have been ignored. I think it's better for Amane and better for Yuuji if at that point everything was brought out in the open. With all that being said, it's not like it really changed my views on the overall story, that was still really good. And in some way it even makes sense that it was good that they went through the relationship and really fell in love with each other before all that came out, b/c if they didn't, Yuuji could very well have condemned Amane causing her to spiral out of control into depression/suicide, and it's technically possible Yuuji could have spiraled out of control as well.

Also your point of "you have to help yourself" is the moral probably the best response to the story i've seen so far. Or at the very least it rings the most true out of everything i've read/though about it.

It wasn't that they turned into this "ghoul" state because its not an uncommon thing in survivor stories but it was just so freaking sudden. Everyone suddenly just went into crazy primitive beast mode the moment they caught those 2 fucking with body parts lying around (which I thought was unnecessary added shock value to add sex into it). You are right in that there is always a risk but they decided to wait a bit then start try to escape themselves and they said something like "we will give it a week". If Kazuki had taken Amane on day 7 they likely would have made it before the crazy set in. Hell the Captain character pretty much told her on day 1 she could go out looking for help on day 1 if she wanted. Plus when the teacher himself on that very mission she didn't share her method of getting off the mountain? Why the hell wouldn't she?

With Yuuma doing all the fighting, I was just guessing that Osamu will remain useless. Of course Yuuma will leave his side one day, even go back to Neighbors side and they 2 have to fight each other, but that will be too cliche.

like really what kind of horse-riding is that

don't have gif but in ep17 when Thor fighting Thymm it just look dumb

Gates are contained within danger zones, Neighbors monsters are not that devastating yet, etc

I'm agreed that it was definitely too sudden. I understand the captain and teacher going insane like that, as there wasn't much showing them to be really coherent in the first place. Like the captain was already under a ton of stress from being the leader that couldn't do anything, and then having her position sort of usurped by kazuki can definitely be a fatal blow to her sanity (even though Kazuki wasn't really trying to hurt the captain, she was just trying to help everyone, it's still something I see as a catalyst to the captain losing herself) and it was explained that the teacher was barely holding it together when they were just a basketball team (like before the crash/incident). But the rest of the girls (especially like Sakuma-senpai) was a little bit harder to believe that all of a sudden they had lost it. Some of them I'd understand (like the green haired girl who was fully in dementia from vitamin deficiencies and the girl with the cut on her head who was eating maggots out of it) but all of them, all of a sudden, i get your point.

In the end we can play what if what if what if all day long but what happened is what happened and I just accept it for what it is.