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On March 24 2011 08:14 Ferrose wrote: Holy fuck. bbl watching Texhnolyze
I need to go through all the OPs I've heard. I still love Connect though.
Unfortunately, that op was my favorite part of the show :/ (
He's crazy, Texhnolyze is one of the best animes ever. Go watch it.
Anything by Yuki Kajiura is amazing, and I'm also quite partial to the Eva OP.
The problem I had with it was that it was really slow and really really depressing. Depressing isn't really my thing. Also, the show had the unfortunate property of being slow without drawing me in. Some shows can be slow but suspenseful, which works, but in Texhnolyze the show is so overwhelmingly gloomy that I had no hope for a happy ending.
I guess it just wasn't my type of show. That said, there are lots of people who love it, and I think it's Shauni's favorite show. Also, more people watching ABe stuff is always good.
You don't like a show just cause it's depressing? That's like the only kinds of shows I watch lol >>
But yes, I agree with it being agonizingly slow. That is a huge drawback. But to anyone who wants to start it, tough through it, it's definitely worth it. Happy endings are boring anyways.
Haha, well in that case no wonder you like Texhnolyze :p
I'm not a huge fan of happy endings, but I distinguish between "sad" and "depressing". Sad shows have ups and downs. Depressing shows have downs and more downs, and instill a general feeling of hopelessness. Texhnolyze and Saikano are two of the only depressing shows I've seen.
I just saw this and wow triangle, I'm speechless. Texhnolyze might be bleak in compared to the enormous amount of contrast-filled bipolar-syndrome shows where they cry one second and the next laugh and joke around like retards. When we for once receive a realistic anime which can be compared to movies in terms of consciousness, you dismiss it as depressing and slow? You prefer tearjerking "sad" anime such as Air or Clannad or what?
I knew you would react, um, negatively to that post.
Texhnolyze might be bleak in compared to the enormous amount of contrast-filled bipolar-syndrome shows where they cry one second and the next laugh and joke around like retards.
Ok, Texhnolyze is bleak compared to pretty much everything. I cannot think of a single anime show (not movie), or even regular American TV show that is more bleak.
You seem to be implying that I'm using the wrong measuring stick to evaluate the show. I don't know what metric you are using, but any reasonable one that I can think of would classify Texhnolyze as a pretty depressing show.
When we for once receive a realistic anime which can be compared to movies in terms of consciousness,
I'm not totally sure what you mean by this. Texhnolyze certainly has more realistic characters than most anime, which is laudatory, but I'm not sure what movies you think it is similar to (nor do I understand what you mean by consciousness in this sentence). I don't think that you can establish the type of mood Texhnolyze does in only a 2 hour film (at least, it would be very difficult to do well).
you dismiss it as depressing and slow?
I don't really think I "dismissed" it. I just said it wasn't my type of show.
And Texhnolyze is slow and depressing. I don't think that can be argued. If I don't like slow, depressing shows (well, actually I don't really mind slow) that seems like a valid reason to not be a fan of a slow depressing show.
You prefer tearjerking "sad" anime such as Air or Clannad or what?
I prefer lots of different anime :p
You seem to be upset that I dislike aspects of the show that you do like. But that's not really an argument. At best, you can say I have bad taste because the only reason I don't like a bleak, dreary show which is the third-best show ABe has done is that I don't like bleak, dreary shows in general :/
It might be depressing for you, but I think the 'dystopia', lack of dialogue and lack of a general happiness is refreshing and can be compared to a real society more than any anime. While the desperate struggling could be seen as bleak and hopeless, it could also be seen as a warming strength for humans to adapt to every condition. I think it's refreshing in part because it's up to the viewer to interpret the general mood and motives of the characters, which is generally laid out too obvious in anime (as explained beforehand). That's why I compared it to (artistic) movies, where also actual consciousness can be found in minimalism. I'm not saying it's necessarily very deep or requires intelligence to watch. The anime is merely one of very few ones that can capture the viewer without calculating audience types, archetype characterization, comforting predictability, slapstick jokes, tearjerkers and various overworked manipulation methods present in almost all anime. I think it's a bit sad that the audience is so damaged by these storytelling mechanisms (I'm not sure this is the right word) that they can not accept something different.
Anyhow, I admit to not having watched a lot of openings, but I find myself really liking Ghost in the Shell 2nd GIG's opening.
On February 02 2013 23:41 ragz_gt wrote: Why guilty pleasure? It's pretty good and the service is not over the top.
I'm really enjoying Vividred too, but some of the fanservice that does exist is pretty noticeable. The recurring camera PoV from just below/behind the ass and between the legs is not entirely ignorable considering the chosen outfits, lol.
Not much more fanservice than Nanoha. And not anymore fan service than Evangelion.
Probably true. Regardless, I'm really enjoying it, fun action scenes and the like. Though what's with the recent trend of "hikikomori leaves the house"? Three of them in two weeks, what is this??
On February 02 2013 23:42 Yagami wrote: Btw Saber's "Excalibaaaaaa!" scene on F/Z is so epic, i keep rewatching it and gives chills everytime.
The music and the Irisviel speech with the final scream are perfect.
Sad fate indeed for Irisviel -.-
In fact, sad fate for pretty much everyone in F/Z, except for Rider's master
Coincidentally F/Z is one of the most happy work by Urobuchi Gen
For Kotomine and Gil it was a... kinda happy ending, I guess? But yeah, by Urobuchi standards, not that sad. Makes me wonder how Psycho Pass is going to end. I feed on suffering, lol.
I'm watching GitS: SAC, really good so far and the Tachikomas are so hilarious. Batou is the best character though. Having the same VA as Rider doesn't exactly hurt.
Hopefully, not everyone dies in P-P and only the bad guys die haha
Though, one could probably argue : Who is the bad guy in that world?
On March 24 2011 08:14 Ferrose wrote: Holy fuck. bbl watching Texhnolyze
I need to go through all the OPs I've heard. I still love Connect though.
Unfortunately, that op was my favorite part of the show :/ (
He's crazy, Texhnolyze is one of the best animes ever. Go watch it.
Anything by Yuki Kajiura is amazing, and I'm also quite partial to the Eva OP.
The problem I had with it was that it was really slow and really really depressing. Depressing isn't really my thing. Also, the show had the unfortunate property of being slow without drawing me in. Some shows can be slow but suspenseful, which works, but in Texhnolyze the show is so overwhelmingly gloomy that I had no hope for a happy ending.
I guess it just wasn't my type of show. That said, there are lots of people who love it, and I think it's Shauni's favorite show. Also, more people watching ABe stuff is always good.
You don't like a show just cause it's depressing? That's like the only kinds of shows I watch lol >>
But yes, I agree with it being agonizingly slow. That is a huge drawback. But to anyone who wants to start it, tough through it, it's definitely worth it. Happy endings are boring anyways.
Haha, well in that case no wonder you like Texhnolyze :p
I'm not a huge fan of happy endings, but I distinguish between "sad" and "depressing". Sad shows have ups and downs. Depressing shows have downs and more downs, and instill a general feeling of hopelessness. Texhnolyze and Saikano are two of the only depressing shows I've seen.
I just saw this and wow triangle, I'm speechless. Texhnolyze might be bleak in compared to the enormous amount of contrast-filled bipolar-syndrome shows where they cry one second and the next laugh and joke around like retards. When we for once receive a realistic anime which can be compared to movies in terms of consciousness, you dismiss it as depressing and slow? You prefer tearjerking "sad" anime such as Air or Clannad or what?
I knew you would react, um, negatively to that post.
Texhnolyze might be bleak in compared to the enormous amount of contrast-filled bipolar-syndrome shows where they cry one second and the next laugh and joke around like retards.
Ok, Texhnolyze is bleak compared to pretty much everything. I cannot think of a single anime show (not movie), or even regular American TV show that is more bleak.
You seem to be implying that I'm using the wrong measuring stick to evaluate the show. I don't know what metric you are using, but any reasonable one that I can think of would classify Texhnolyze as a pretty depressing show.
When we for once receive a realistic anime which can be compared to movies in terms of consciousness,
I'm not totally sure what you mean by this. Texhnolyze certainly has more realistic characters than most anime, which is laudatory, but I'm not sure what movies you think it is similar to (nor do I understand what you mean by consciousness in this sentence). I don't think that you can establish the type of mood Texhnolyze does in only a 2 hour film (at least, it would be very difficult to do well).
you dismiss it as depressing and slow?
I don't really think I "dismissed" it. I just said it wasn't my type of show.
And Texhnolyze is slow and depressing. I don't think that can be argued. If I don't like slow, depressing shows (well, actually I don't really mind slow) that seems like a valid reason to not be a fan of a slow depressing show.
You prefer tearjerking "sad" anime such as Air or Clannad or what?
I prefer lots of different anime :p
You seem to be upset that I dislike aspects of the show that you do like. But that's not really an argument. At best, you can say I have bad taste because the only reason I don't like a bleak, dreary show which is the third-best show ABe has done is that I don't like bleak, dreary shows in general :/
It might be depressing for you, but I think the 'dystopia', lack of dialogue and lack of a general happiness is refreshing and can be compared to a real society more than any anime. While the desperate struggling could be seen as bleak and hopeless, it could also be seen as a warming strength for humans to adapt to every condition. I think it's refreshing in part because it's up to the viewer to interpret the general mood and motives of the characters, which is generally laid out too obvious in anime (as explained beforehand). That's why I compared it to (artistic) movies, where also actual consciousness can be found in minimalism. I'm not saying it's necessarily very deep or requires intelligence to watch. The anime is merely one of very few ones that can capture the viewer without calculating audience types, archetype characterization, comforting predictability, slapstick jokes, tearjerkers and various overworked manipulation methods present in almost all anime. I think it's a bit sad that the audience is so damaged by these storytelling mechanisms (I'm not sure this is the right word) that they can not accept something different.
Anyhow, I admit to not having watched a lot of openings, but I find myself really liking Ghost in the Shell 2nd GIG's opening.
So I just got finished watching Air, and have consequently lost all trust in the suggested anime list provided. I don't know how you guys feel about Air, but I personally thought it was absolutely terrible. I did, however, really like both Baccano! and NHK which were both suggested from here. So does anyone know a good anime I could get into similar to NHK?
On February 04 2013 11:39 Gobe wrote: So I just got finished watching Air, and have consequently lost all trust in the suggested anime list provided. I don't know how you guys feel about Air, but I personally thought it was absolutely terrible. I did, however, really like both Baccano! and NHK which were both suggested from here. So does anyone know a good anime I could get into similar to NHK?
Try The Tatami Galaxy. They're both about a disillusioned college students.
Alright I'll try that next. Thanks. Air suffered from, in my opinion, what a lot of animes suffer from in that nothing in the story is ever really done by the characters, it just sort of happens to them. Like their situation is no one's fault and they just have to deal with it anyways. Basically, the characters have no flaws, just bad shit happens to them. I hate that. NHK was not that at all, and that's why it's basically my favorite anime so far. (Haven't really seen too many)
On February 04 2013 11:50 Gobe wrote: Alright I'll try that next. Thanks. Air suffered from, in my opinion, what a lot of animes suffer from in that nothing in the story is ever really done by the characters, it just sort of happens to them. Like their situation is no one's fault and they just have to deal with it anyways. Basically, the characters have no flaws, just bad shit happens to them. I hate that. NHK was not that at all, and that's why it's basically my favorite anime so far. (Haven't really seen too many)
I think you'll like The Tatami Galaxy then. It's not exactly like Welcome to the NHK, but I think if you like one, it'll be hard to dislike the other.
It's about a college student who, in the course of 11 episodes, relives the first two years of his college days trying to find the "perfect rose coloured campus life," and every episode (well, some of them are arcs) goes through a different club/organization that he joins to try to find the perfect life.
Pay attention to the subtitles by the way, they go by quite fast.
On February 04 2013 11:55 Gobe wrote: Sweet, I keep having hopes in anime because of just a few that I've liked. Been on an overall streak of bad for a while though.
I try as hard as I can to not have high expectations when going into anime, but I guess it's hard when you ask for recommendations because presumably you're being recommended something because it's good.
Best thing might be to watch the trailer and look up the summary before going in to see if it's worth your time. I wouldn't want to waste it since you seem to be on a losing streak as far as good anime is concerned. xD
Thanks for the Votoms list Sentenal. Have finished the Last Red Shoulder to Shining Heresy. I think I enjoyed Roots and Heresy the most, Armor Hunter was an interesting take on Votoms though. Shining Heresy + Show Spoiler +
does indeed explain the ending of the main series and is a little sad. Kind of wish Heresy was longer and more old characters showed up, but the story did wrap itself up nicely. Although the way Chirico shot the Auxiliary Brain was a bit eyebrow raising, but at this point it was not surprising since Chirico's plot armor was part of the plot so it made sense.
On February 04 2013 11:55 Gobe wrote: Sweet, I keep having hopes in anime because of just a few that I've liked. Been on an overall streak of bad for a while though.
I try as hard as I can to not have high expectations when going into anime, but I guess it's hard when you ask for recommendations because presumably you're being recommended something because it's good.
Best thing might be to watch the trailer and look up the summary before going in to see if it's worth your time. I wouldn't want to waste it since you seem to be on a losing streak as far as good anime is concerned. xD
Yeah that's probably a good idea. Many of the animes I end up hating, a lot of people really like. I'm generally really picky about movies and shows. And so far anime has demonstrated a lot of characteristics I've always hated in other stories.
Anime's no different from other medium. I don't know why people expect any different. The only real big difference is culture, given that most of us come from a western culture while anime is created in a rather unique (to say the least...) culture. And as I say to a lot of people, good artists don't necessarily make a good manga, which then corresponds to the shitty anime adaptation that encompasses at least half the stuff that's out there.
Also, who suggested Air O_o
I think Clannad is the better Key anime to watch if you're going from the "characters doing shit" angle (uh, the first series might make you faceplant though. I loved it for the humorous moments but that may not be your cup of tea... and then the second series might not be as appreciable without the first? not sure). And I think you can dump like 99% of anime down the bin because frankly most of them are made for kids.
Then the next question would be how mature a topic you're wanting, with the understanding that there aren't that many that are made for post-adolescent folk. For example the Ghost in the Shell franchise (ignoring like half the TV series stuff... I know lots of people love them but nyeh) might be up your alley - specifically the first movie, then Laughing Man, then the second movie. I don't remember what the "serious" part of the other TV show season was about. Kara no Kyoukai is another, although the movie adaptation failed pretty hard at adapting anything but the action scenes (think LotR films vs books), so that may be harder to appreciate without reading. Steins;Gate maybe, although they apparently didn't do very well in depicting the mental breakdown of a key character. And so on and so forth.
On February 04 2013 12:34 Southlight wrote: Anime's no different from other medium. I don't know why people expect any different. The only real big difference is culture, given that most of us come from a western culture while anime is created in a rather unique (to say the least...) culture. And as I say to a lot of people, good artists don't necessarily make a good manga, which then corresponds to the shitty anime adaptation that encompasses at least half the stuff that's out there.
Also, who suggested Air O_o
I think Clannad is the better Key anime to watch if you're going from the "characters doing shit" angle (uh, the first series might make you faceplant though. I loved it for the humorous moments but that may not be your cup of tea... and then the second series might not be as appreciable without the first? not sure). And I think you can dump like 99% of anime down the bin because frankly most of them are made for kids.
Then the next question would be how mature a topic you're wanting, with the understanding that there aren't that many that are made for post-adolescent folk. For example the Ghost in the Shell franchise (ignoring like half the TV series stuff... I know lots of people love them but nyeh) might be up your alley - specifically the first movie, then Laughing Man, then the second movie. I don't remember what the "serious" part of the other TV show season was about. Kara no Kyoukai is another, although the movie adaptation failed pretty hard at adapting anything but the action scenes (think LotR films vs books), so that may be harder to appreciate without reading. Steins;Gate maybe, although they apparently didn't do very well in depicting the mental breakdown of a key character. And so on and so forth.
Yeah I watched both parts of Clannad and the parts in the first one that were supposed to be sad I cringed/laughed through. And yeah the middle to later part of the second series was good, until the ending. And yeah I guess you're right, the only reason I've had more success with American TV is because I know what to look for.
Also, Air is in the suggestion picture thing pasted to this thread.
For what it's worth, the suggestion picture pasted at the top of the thread is essentially just the general western anime-viewing populace (aka average age: 12yo)' recommendations with a bit of additions and subtractions from a bunch of us way back when. There was a lot of "holy shit but that sucked!" "but it's popular we have to keep it on the list!" and such. :p There are also of course the inevitable "things we thought were good ten years ago when we were like 16" stuff. It's there because too many people come into this thread asking "gimme some recs" as if going to a movie thread/forum and asking "gimme some recs" is going to net you any more serious an answer. And there's so much of the "I just watched ___ and enjoyed it gimme some recs" crap that we became jaded and plastered it on top as a go-to answer instead of School Days.
You made up for it later by explaining what you're looking for, but 95% of people who do that don't and don't follow up either. Hence our lack of enthusiasm with actually helping people out :p And as I mentioned earlier, aside from the suggestions I made in passing in the big post, I just don't think there's much quantity for you via anime. Maybe other people can help out, but aside from those I honestly end up just thinking of "some" war-based stuff, because at least in those cases half are written for a mature audience, but yeah. SLIM PICKINGS :>
On February 04 2013 11:39 Gobe wrote: So I just got finished watching Air, and have consequently lost all trust in the suggested anime list provided. I don't know how you guys feel about Air, but I personally thought it was absolutely terrible. I did, however, really like both Baccano! and NHK which were both suggested from here. So does anyone know a good anime I could get into similar to NHK?
I liked kinda the first half where nothing happened, because nothing happened. It was just this guy who was/had been travelling.
Speaking of the recommendation image up there, one of the shows isn't labeled under the fantasy tab and it's been bugging me for a while >.< + Show Spoiler +
To my best guess it's Kemono no Souja Erin but I could be mistaken.
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