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Kaal
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Djibouti2570 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-05 02:24:50
January 05 2013 02:22 GMT
#51261
As far as VN adaptations go, the scale is Clannad------------------------------------>FSN->Tsukihime

The first half of clannad is bad because to first 60-70% of every Key VN is fucking terrible to read.

As far as when we are finishing rewrite, it will be several weeks after that marker says 100% that we actually release the patch, maybe as much as a month. That only means scripting is done, we still have to do inserts, editing, and two beta tests.
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-05 02:28:49
January 05 2013 02:28 GMT
#51262
I'll concede the S;G anime was good/decent. But its like one of the very few exceptions.
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
January 05 2013 02:35 GMT
#51263
Oretsuba anime was awesome.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Elem
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden4717 Posts
January 05 2013 02:37 GMT
#51264
Oh, as I was QQing

[03:33:34] <Elem> Is no group going to sub milky holmes alternative 2
[03:33:34] <Elem> ;;

Milky Holmes counts too.
#freeshauni
generalyao
Profile Joined July 2011
United States262 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-05 02:40:59
January 05 2013 02:38 GMT
#51265
On January 05 2013 11:22 Kaal wrote:
As far as VN adaptations go, the scale is Clannad------------------------------------>FSN->Tsukihime

The first half of clannad is bad because to first 60-70% of every Key VN is fucking terrible to read.

As far as when we are finishing rewrite, it will be several weeks after that marker says 100% that we actually release the patch, maybe as much as a month. That only means scripting is done, we still have to do inserts, editing, and two beta tests.


Wait so you're saying Clannad was way better than the rest right? I've seen Clannad and FSN. I thought FSN was okay, just a bit disjointed or rushed or something. Quite can't phrase it right. Fate Zero way better. Is Tsukihime any good?

And wait Kurisu was considered bad in the Steins Gate anime? And Clannad afterstory was only considered okay? Woahh maybe I should try reading VNs...
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-05 02:43:29
January 05 2013 02:41 GMT
#51266
On January 05 2013 11:38 generalyao wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2013 11:22 Kaal wrote:
As far as VN adaptations go, the scale is Clannad------------------------------------>FSN->Tsukihime

The first half of clannad is bad because to first 60-70% of every Key VN is fucking terrible to read.

As far as when we are finishing rewrite, it will be several weeks after that marker says 100% that we actually release the patch, maybe as much as a month. That only means scripting is done, we still have to do inserts, editing, and two beta tests.


Wait so you're saying Clannad was way better than the rest right? I've seen Clannad and FSN. I thought FSN was okay, just a bit disjointed or rushed or something. Quite can't phrase it right. Fate Zero way better. Is Tsukihime any good?

And wait Kurisu was considered bad in the Steins Gate anime? And Clannad afterstory was only considered okay? Woahh maybe I should try reading VNs...

Tsukihime anime is like universally reviled. But as a general rule of thumb, VN adaptions are seldom as good as their source + Show Spoiler +
(IS THAT AN ACCEPTABLE WAY OF SAYING IT ELEM? BTW I WAS SAYING AN OPINION IN CASE YOU THOUGHT I WAS STATING FACT)
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
Elem
Profile Joined April 2011
Sweden4717 Posts
January 05 2013 02:43 GMT
#51267
Eh, I cba to butt heads with you so it's good enough. Still think you shouldnt talk if you dont have much experience , though.
#freeshauni
generalyao
Profile Joined July 2011
United States262 Posts
January 05 2013 02:43 GMT
#51268
How does one even get a visual novel to read? I don't have much knowledge of them...and I can't really read Japanese. Eh, never mind. I'm going to go back to college in a couple of weeks. I don't need another time sink
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
January 05 2013 02:50 GMT
#51269
On January 05 2013 11:37 Elem wrote:
Oh, as I was QQing

[03:33:34] <Elem> Is no group going to sub milky holmes alternative 2
[03:33:34] <Elem> ;;

Milky Holmes counts too.

T_T

sad days
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
Monokeros
Profile Blog Joined November 2005
United States2493 Posts
January 05 2013 02:51 GMT
#51270
On December 21 2012 13:14 rabidch wrote:
Top Anime 2012: SAO
Top 3 OPs: SAO OP1 SAO OP2 SAO OP0
Top 3 EDs: SAO ED1 SAO ED2 SAO ED0
Most Overrated Anime: Everything except SAO
Biggest Surprise: Nothing? SAO wasn't really a surprise.
Guilty Pleasure which isn't really a Guilty Pleasure: SAO
Best Male Character: KIRITO (seriously this guy got laid)
Best Female Char: Asuna
Best Seiyuu: everybody voicing SAO dudes



Im offended.
Keep the Dream Alive twitch.tv/monokerros
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-05 02:56:46
January 05 2013 02:53 GMT
#51271
Steins;Gate anime was alright, but it missed some big nuances. You can probably search one of my rants about it with Milkis, where it was accepted that the S;G anime missed a significant aspect of Okabe's character, which may or may not damage the anime for you.

I thought the F/SN anime was horrible, but most people in this thread are biased because they dislike the canon Heaven's Feel route from the VN. To clarify, the VN has three "routes," but the third is universally considered canon while the first two are considered "what if" type stories. The anime really only details the first, most straight-forward and bland route, while the third (HF) is more a continuation of Fate/Zero. Fate/Zero on the other hand is from a book, so there is no VN, and is also written by a different author (Urobuchi Gen, who generally belonged to Nitro+, which in an amusing little connection for this discussion is one of the two companies behind Chaos;Head and Steins;Gate).

I loved Clannad, but I'm apparently a sucker for slice of life and tearjerkers.

VN adaptations tend to struggle because VNs individually usually have more textual content than novels and come with a lot of "tricks" that cannot be performed as well via a book medium. After all, we're looking at an industry that catastrophically fails whenever presented with source material with more depth than a 200-page Middle School level book. The vast majority of VN adaptations then end up being adaptations of standard School RomCom Harem stuff. The ones that are actual quality source material that ARE picked up tend to also be picked up by said companies that are willing to grab the school RomCom stuff, because the stigma of being a porn game tends/tended to shy people away. That trend is obviously slowly being changed, but at the same time some of the better VN works have either already been taken or are basically impossible to animate. Hence the dilemma of Little Busters, where so many people pined for an anime, but it was always waved off by KyoAni due to its impossible nature. So then it gets picked up... by a much reviled studio. The end result you can imagine.

Tsukihime anime was horrible, again for similar reasons as the F/SN anime, except that the Tsukihime VN was less of a start-to-finish affair and thus is even rougher to storyboard/animate. As a result you get an entire season of a single, bland route, which is fantastic for lore/background purposes but is useless in the context of a VN adaptation. There were if I remember correctly six routes, each of which diverged significantly from each other, and as a sum gave insight into the Tohno household and the world. Combined with ineffective storyboarding and horrible production quality you get something that many would rather carry on as if it never existed.




A surprisingly good anime adaptation was OreTsuba (Oretachi ni Tsubasa ha Nai), despite it having some of the more nasty storyboarding obstacles in VNs. I would still highly recommending reading it instead if the possibility exists (I'm not very knowledgeable about translations), but if it is not possible, and you're not willing to wait however many years it may take, or don't intend to read anyways, then watching it is perfectly fine.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
January 05 2013 02:54 GMT
#51272
On January 05 2013 11:51 Monokeros wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2012 13:14 rabidch wrote:
Top Anime 2012: SAO
Top 3 OPs: SAO OP1 SAO OP2 SAO OP0
Top 3 EDs: SAO ED1 SAO ED2 SAO ED0
Most Overrated Anime: Everything except SAO
Biggest Surprise: Nothing? SAO wasn't really a surprise.
Guilty Pleasure which isn't really a Guilty Pleasure: SAO
Best Male Character: KIRITO (seriously this guy got laid)
Best Female Char: Asuna
Best Seiyuu: everybody voicing SAO dudes



Im offended.

you dont like asuna?
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
thekaas
Profile Joined July 2011
Denmark235 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-05 03:06:05
January 05 2013 02:57 GMT
#51273
On January 05 2013 11:51 Monokeros wrote:
Show nested quote +
On December 21 2012 13:14 rabidch wrote:
Top Anime 2012: SAO
Top 3 OPs: SAO OP1 SAO OP2 SAO OP0
Top 3 EDs: SAO ED1 SAO ED2 SAO ED0
Most Overrated Anime: Everything except SAO
Biggest Surprise: Nothing? SAO wasn't really a surprise.
Guilty Pleasure which isn't really a Guilty Pleasure: SAO
Best Male Character: KIRITO (seriously this guy got laid)
Best Female Char: Asuna
Best Seiyuu: everybody voicing SAO dudes



Im offended.


I haven't even watched it, and I still can't stand SAO.

On January 05 2013 11:50 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2013 11:37 Elem wrote:
Oh, as I was QQing

[03:33:34] <Elem> Is no group going to sub milky holmes alternative 2
[03:33:34] <Elem> ;;

Milky Holmes counts too.

T_T

sad days

Don't worry. KiteSeekers-Wasurenai will pick it up once they're done with the other Milky Holmes 2.
My liquibets are slightly better than flipping a coin
Sentenal
Profile Blog Joined December 2007
United States12398 Posts
January 05 2013 02:57 GMT
#51274
On January 05 2013 11:43 Elem wrote:
Eh, I cba to butt heads with you so it's good enough. Still think you shouldnt talk if you dont have much experience , though.

Okay good I'm going to post that at the end of all my posts just for you, since apparently you have a hard time telling when people are posting an opinion or not + Show Spoiler +
(IBTW I WAS SAYING AN OPINION IN CASE YOU THOUGHT I WAS STATING FACT)
"Apparently, Sentenal is a paragon of friendship and tolerance. " - Ech0ne
nvzhi34
Profile Joined January 2013
Bangladesh3 Posts
January 05 2013 02:59 GMT
#51275
--- Nuked ---
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
January 05 2013 03:11 GMT
#51276
On January 05 2013 11:54 rabidch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On January 05 2013 11:51 Monokeros wrote:
On December 21 2012 13:14 rabidch wrote:
Top Anime 2012: SAO
Top 3 OPs: SAO OP1 SAO OP2 SAO OP0
Top 3 EDs: SAO ED1 SAO ED2 SAO ED0
Most Overrated Anime: Everything except SAO
Biggest Surprise: Nothing? SAO wasn't really a surprise.
Guilty Pleasure which isn't really a Guilty Pleasure: SAO
Best Male Character: KIRITO (seriously this guy got laid)
Best Female Char: Asuna
Best Seiyuu: everybody voicing SAO dudes



Im offended.

you dont like asuna?

Asuna is great. The first half of SAO is decent. SAO is overrated entry-level anime. The hate is warranted. (even if slightly overblown, since ''hardcore'' anime fans have anime as their one defining thing in their lives and thus tend to get very zealous about showing their superiority in tastes and time spent watching it)
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
Artifice
Profile Joined May 2010
United States523 Posts
January 05 2013 03:14 GMT
#51277
Is there supposed to be any relation between s;g, c;h, and r;n? I just caught up on r;n and now I'm watching c;h, I keep hearing that 'Kagome, Kagome' beeping at random points. Also the world divergence number meter thingy from s;g was shown at the beginning of r;n. I don't read things about things, sorry if this is a dumb question.
Southlight
Profile Blog Joined August 2007
United States11768 Posts
January 05 2013 03:16 GMT
#51278
Not sure about R;N as it's not a VN. I believe C;H and S;G were theoretically supposed to take place in the same world (IIRC like two years in between C;N -> S;G) but there's essentially no connection.
oraoraoraoraoraoraoraora
Aerisky
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States12129 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-01-05 03:18:54
January 05 2013 03:17 GMT
#51279
On January 05 2013 12:14 Artifice wrote:
Is there supposed to be any relation between s;g, c;h, and r;n? I just caught up on r;n and now I'm watching c;h, I keep hearing that 'Kagome, Kagome' beeping at random points. Also the world divergence number meter thingy from s;g was shown at the beginning of r;n. I don't read things about things, sorry if this is a dumb question.

I believe it's the same world but the "universes" differ (events are distinct and unconnected), not sure though.
Jim while Johnny had had had had had had had; had had had had the better effect on the teacher.
OutlaW-
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Czech Republic5053 Posts
January 05 2013 03:17 GMT
#51280
I'm pretty sure all 3 are in the same universe. If there's any more connection, however, I don't know about it. (apart from random references like hacking into SERN)
Delete your post underage b&. You're incestuous for you're onee-chan so you're clearly not a bad guy, but others might not agree
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