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On October 10 2012 23:05 InfusedTT.DaZe wrote:i watched all SAO episodes in like 2 days, and became really interested in it, i didn't watch or know what the novels contain so i guess i don't know how much more awesomeness can get into it... + Show Spoiler +Too bad the quality dropped alot after the first 5 or so episodes, and the plot was getting a bit retarded...
Also we need much MORE explanations of shit that is happening, maybe we will get there in the next episodes.
And is it just me thinking that "the skills" of this "MMORPG" were really shitty? i mean im playing vindictus since 1 week ago and the skills there trash SAO pathetic excuse of skills(and you can cook in vindictus also...)
Maybe i expected a bit too much of this "MMORPG" even tho it was actually an anime not a game itself...
It depends on what you mean by "skills" are "shitty". Do they look shitty? Ehh idk, don't look too bad to me. Are the concepts of them shitty? In a way, but it is something that simply isn't covered by the anime. Do you mean something else entirely? Better make yourself clear since you aren't making much sense atm.
I am too lazy to dig up what I was saying early on in the season about SAO so maybe someone will dig up my posts about how they have shitty storyboarding.
On October 10 2012 13:14 XenOmega wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 12:33 Sentenal wrote:On October 10 2012 12:19 XenOmega wrote:
I found SAO to be decent (again, I found Accel World to be decent too)
I am disappointed by how things ended up. IMO, the story should have been : Guy fighting his way to lvl 100, but losing people/friends, losing hope etc That idea actually makes sense, though. But instead of Sword Art Online actually telling the story of Sword Art Online, the other decided he just wanted to do a tiny bit of the start, and then the final 2 floors. Fuck everything else, not important, just refer to everything in the past tense. Its much more important to make many new arcs based on games with virtually none of the potential tension SAO had due to its Death-Game status, and build harems. Harem building is actually the most important aspect of telling any story, btw. Well, I believe many pointed it out, or I've read it somewhere, but building harems = pleasing the a base of viewers = make internet money!!!!!!!! Its really unfortunate that the costs of productions are so high that producers are scared to go with unconventional ideas  Or, it could be that the creator of SAO is just a bad author...
Except even the harshest critic in Uta noted that just vol 1 of SAO was fine, the problem was that the anime adaptation simply didn't work the same way. The idea that you mentioned would basically be + Show Spoiler [SAO] +the original plan at hand by Heathcliff. That the author actually continued on from Aincrad was the issue. Also, the author's latest retcon basically involves fleshing out the Aincrad universe a lot more, working out to be essentially what you seem to want. Cliche as it is. Oh yeah, Alicization also took that same approach.
On October 10 2012 12:33 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 12:19 XenOmega wrote:
I found SAO to be decent (again, I found Accel World to be decent too)
I am disappointed by how things ended up. IMO, the story should have been : Guy fighting his way to lvl 100, but losing people/friends, losing hope etc That idea actually makes sense, though. But instead of Sword Art Online actually telling the story of Sword Art Online, the other decided he just wanted to do a tiny bit of the start, and then the final 2 floors. Fuck everything else, not important, just refer to everything in the past tense. Its much more important to make many new arcs based on games with virtually none of the potential tension SAO had due to its Death-Game status, and build harems. Harem building is actually the most important aspect of telling any story, btw.
Except vol 1 in itself had no harem. It had a dutchwife, sure, but it was a fine standalone.
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I don't really hate SAO, what I find is:
The setting is really cool and some of the MMO elements were really nicely done(cooking n shit, fights looked really nice).
The sidestories didn't make any sense in the end(maybe they will in the future, but for now, no idea, they don't seem relevant at all).
He basically clears the bottom 2 levels and the top 2 levels(wtf?).
Story progression didn't make any sense.
Asuna was nice at first and then she got whiny as hell.
I did like it but it has so, so much more potential.
Also I liked the music and the OP of the anime.
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On October 10 2012 23:40 Kipsate wrote:
I don't really hate SAO, what I find is:
The setting is really cool and some of the MMO elements were really nicely done(cooking n shit, fights looked really nice).
The sidestories didn't make any sense in the end(maybe they will in the future, but for now, no idea, they don't seem relevant at all).
He basically clears the bottom 2 levels and the top 2 levels(wtf?).
Story progression didn't make any sense.
Asuna was nice at first and then she got whiny as hell.
I did like it but it has so, so much more potential.
In terms of the actual books, he doesn't even clear the bottom 2 levels, they just skip to the end. The point wasn't about the struggle to get up there, but the way anime handled it certainly didn't make it seem like the case.
On October 10 2012 12:00 synapse wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 10:57 kaykaykay wrote:Howdy peeps, where are the Sword Art Online fans? Trying to see what the hype is all about, I watched episode 1 today and now I'm already at the last episode. >-< anyone agrees that the first few episodes were good, but slowly became more and more corny towards the end with the + Show Spoiler +marriage with Asuna and the fight with Kayaba Akihiko ( Like seriously, why would he claim to wait for them as the last floor boss and then suddenly decide to issue a duel 1v1. ) I understand the importance of fan service and all with the Asuna so i get that but why does Kirito seem to have dissociative identity disorder? On one hand he has so much hatred for the game and on the other he willingly goes hiking with Asuna into the woods, abandoning his duties on the frontlines. Even until the commander of KOB + Show Spoiler +which was later revealed to be Kayaba had to be like "man, what's up with this kid wasting his time here. I guess i just have to duel him so that he joins the guild and puts in more effort towards ending the game." If you read the light novels it makes a lot more sense IMO. I think they felt rushed to finish the SAO arc, honestly I'm not sure why they spent so much time on the silly yui / fisherman side stories. + Show Spoiler [light novel spoilers] +
In the light novel, when Kayaba challenges Kirito after defeating 75th floor, Asuna says “No, Kirito-kun...! He's trying to get rid of you first... Right now... Right now you have to back down...!”
Also, the fight between Kayaba and Kirito is not really portrayed well in the anime. There wasn't enough emphasis on the fact that Kirito was holding his own without using any in-game skills, but in desperation decided to try one and Kayaba instantly pwns him. Also Asuna jumping in front of Kirito at the end makes no sense in the anime, but you can read her thoughts leading up to her breaking out of paralysis in the light novel.
If you bothered with the books you should know why they did Yui, not to mention that Yui is cool. As for Nishida, poor man never appears again in the series, at least give him some screentime now.
That said, in terms of the anime, Nishida doesn't do anything that Yui didn't do, it was a pretty pointless half an episode to waste.
On October 10 2012 11:41 kaykaykay wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 11:38 Ecael wrote:On October 10 2012 10:57 kaykaykay wrote:Howdy peeps, where are the Sword Art Online fans? Trying to see what the hype is all about, I watched episode 1 today and now I'm already at the last episode. >-< anyone agrees that the first few episodes were good, but slowly became more and more corny towards the end with the + Show Spoiler +marriage with Asuna and the fight with Kayaba Akihiko ( Like seriously, why would he claim to wait for them as the last floor boss and then suddenly decide to issue a duel 1v1. ) I understand the importance of fan service and all with the Asuna so i get that but why does Kirito seem to have dissociative identity disorder? On one hand he has so much hatred for the game and on the other he willingly goes hiking with Asuna into the woods, abandoning his duties on the frontlines. Even until the commander of KOB + Show Spoiler +which was later revealed to be Kayaba had to be like "man, what's up with this kid wasting his time here. I guess i just have to duel him so that he joins the guild and puts in more effort towards ending the game." I suggest you either rewatch or try to recall what actually ends up happening. The anime and the source aren't exactly great but you seem to be remembering a lot of things wrongly lol. About the decision to duel, anime fucked up pretty hard and didn't cover that theme really when it had the chance. Well, i watched the whole series in a day so maybe you could explain what you mean by remembering wrongly?
For one, Kirito didn't hate the SAO game. The talk with him and Asuna wasn't about how they dislike the game SAO, but about how they were terrified that they would be content living in the SAO world. He also did a shitton in terms of getting the game cleared. Or rather, if not, he kinda wouldn't be releasing dungeon maps and be at the frontlines now would he.
The duel had a bunch of reasons, the anime didn't do well in terms of shaping that line of plot. + Show Spoiler [SAO] +While Asuna said that Heathcliff was simply trying to remove the obstacle in Kirito, that wasn't the entire reason. Heathcliff was obsessed with the concept of the virtual world and its effects on human beings. Kirito was one of the first people to push the limits of the said world to the max, so he simply wanted to see for himself exactly what Kirito has in him. That and the author just wants to avoid the standard fight to floor 100 approach.
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How does .Hack compares against Accel world and SAO?
I'm staying home today and am looking for an amazing anime, (a la FMAB, Fate/Zero, Madoka) -.-
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On October 11 2012 00:12 XenOmega wrote:
How does .Hack compares against Accel world and SAO?
I'm staying home today and am looking for an amazing anime, (a la FMAB, Fate/Zero, Madoka) -.-
Last Exile!
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On October 11 2012 00:12 XenOmega wrote:
How does .Hack compares against Accel world and SAO?
I'm staying home today and am looking for an amazing anime, (a la FMAB, Fate/Zero, Madoka) -.- .hack > Accel World >> SAO.
Though IMO .hack is "above average" at best. Not worth it if you just wanna watch something over the day. You should specify what you're after, alternatively post a MAL.
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On October 11 2012 00:50 Elem wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 00:12 XenOmega wrote:
How does .Hack compares against Accel world and SAO?
I'm staying home today and am looking for an amazing anime, (a la FMAB, Fate/Zero, Madoka) -.- .hack > Accel World >> SAO. Though IMO .hack is "above average" at best. Not worth it if you just wanna watch something over the day. You should specify what you're after, alternatively post a MAL.
just looking for something short (around 20 episodes) that I can watch quickly and can witness an amazing experience
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On October 11 2012 02:29 XenOmega wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 00:50 Elem wrote:On October 11 2012 00:12 XenOmega wrote:
How does .Hack compares against Accel world and SAO?
I'm staying home today and am looking for an amazing anime, (a la FMAB, Fate/Zero, Madoka) -.- .hack > Accel World >> SAO. Though IMO .hack is "above average" at best. Not worth it if you just wanna watch something over the day. You should specify what you're after, alternatively post a MAL. just looking for something short (around 20 episodes) that I can watch quickly and can witness an amazing experience Try Black Lagoon or Ga-Rei: Zero, then.
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Last Exile! The opening scene still give me chills.
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Do you ever do anything but go on about Last Exile?
+ Show Spoiler +I thought it was mediocre, personally.
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I only talk about it more than others because it's incredibly under appreciated no one else talk about it. And I certainly talk about it far less than others talk about SAO / Muv-Luv and other stuff.
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On October 11 2012 02:35 Elem wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 02:29 XenOmega wrote:On October 11 2012 00:50 Elem wrote:On October 11 2012 00:12 XenOmega wrote:
How does .Hack compares against Accel world and SAO?
I'm staying home today and am looking for an amazing anime, (a la FMAB, Fate/Zero, Madoka) -.- .hack > Accel World >> SAO. Though IMO .hack is "above average" at best. Not worth it if you just wanna watch something over the day. You should specify what you're after, alternatively post a MAL. just looking for something short (around 20 episodes) that I can watch quickly and can witness an amazing experience Try Black Lagoon or Ga-Rei: Zero, then.
HOLY SHIT. I just picked up Ga-Rei like that.
Wow, the two first episodes!!!!@
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On October 11 2012 03:18 XenOmega wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 02:35 Elem wrote:On October 11 2012 02:29 XenOmega wrote:On October 11 2012 00:50 Elem wrote:On October 11 2012 00:12 XenOmega wrote:
How does .Hack compares against Accel world and SAO?
I'm staying home today and am looking for an amazing anime, (a la FMAB, Fate/Zero, Madoka) -.- .hack > Accel World >> SAO. Though IMO .hack is "above average" at best. Not worth it if you just wanna watch something over the day. You should specify what you're after, alternatively post a MAL. just looking for something short (around 20 episodes) that I can watch quickly and can witness an amazing experience Try Black Lagoon or Ga-Rei: Zero, then. HOLY SHIT. I just picked up Ga-Rei like that. Wow, the two first episodes!!!!@ Glad you're liking it so far. It takes a bit of a shift afterwards though for a few eps but don't let it discourage you. It's a great anime.
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On October 11 2012 03:22 Elem wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 03:18 XenOmega wrote:On October 11 2012 02:35 Elem wrote:On October 11 2012 02:29 XenOmega wrote:On October 11 2012 00:50 Elem wrote:On October 11 2012 00:12 XenOmega wrote:
How does .Hack compares against Accel world and SAO?
I'm staying home today and am looking for an amazing anime, (a la FMAB, Fate/Zero, Madoka) -.- .hack > Accel World >> SAO. Though IMO .hack is "above average" at best. Not worth it if you just wanna watch something over the day. You should specify what you're after, alternatively post a MAL. just looking for something short (around 20 episodes) that I can watch quickly and can witness an amazing experience Try Black Lagoon or Ga-Rei: Zero, then. HOLY SHIT. I just picked up Ga-Rei like that. Wow, the two first episodes!!!!@ Glad you're liking it so far. It takes a bit of a shift afterwards though for a few eps but don't let it discourage you. It's a great anime.
I liked it a lot, too bad the manga is sort of meh at times (Kensuke zzzzz).
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I think most of my complaints about garei were on the IRC since I can't seem to find posts about how I think it is was pretty mediocre.
Hayate continues to disappoint, 2 episodes w/o Hina or aa-tan
On October 11 2012 02:47 Elem wrote:Do you ever do anything but go on about Last Exile? + Show Spoiler +I thought it was mediocre, personally.
and now you call an excellent series mediocre, elem evolving into MJ?
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On October 11 2012 03:54 Ecael wrote:
and now you call an excellent series mediocre, elem evolving into MJ? If you do not count the "sequel" then it could be called "great", maybe. But it's hardly a masterpiece or something along those lines imo. And the sequel was so fucking awful that I cannot really give it more than mediocre overall.
And you're awfully hypocritic if you're going to ignore the fact that opinions might not all be the same, calling what I personally (thus it must be everyone's opinion, clearly) think is an excellent series "mediocre".
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Just do what most sane person do, pretend the "sequel" never existed.
Statute of limitation on sequels should be 3 years anyway.
At the time, the joke on Gonzo was that they always fuck up the ending. It took them more than 8 years to get the last laugh.
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On October 10 2012 23:35 Ecael wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 12:33 Sentenal wrote:On October 10 2012 12:19 XenOmega wrote:
I found SAO to be decent (again, I found Accel World to be decent too)
I am disappointed by how things ended up. IMO, the story should have been : Guy fighting his way to lvl 100, but losing people/friends, losing hope etc That idea actually makes sense, though. But instead of Sword Art Online actually telling the story of Sword Art Online, the other decided he just wanted to do a tiny bit of the start, and then the final 2 floors. Fuck everything else, not important, just refer to everything in the past tense. Its much more important to make many new arcs based on games with virtually none of the potential tension SAO had due to its Death-Game status, and build harems. Harem building is actually the most important aspect of telling any story, btw. Except vol 1 in itself had no harem. It had a dutchwife, sure, but it was a fine standalone.
Eca, my comment about harem building was in the context of "making many new arcs based on other games that aren't SAO". Considering SAO was volume 1, I'm not saying there was a vol1 harem, although he retroactively gave MMO Jesus a harem during that period with side stories.
If you bothered with the books you should know why they did Yui, not to mention that Yui is cool. As for Nishida, poor man never appears again in the series, at least give him some screentime now. Yui sucks, shes just a pocket sized plot device.
On October 11 2012 04:35 Elem wrote:Show nested quote +On October 11 2012 03:54 Ecael wrote:
and now you call an excellent series mediocre, elem evolving into MJ? If you do not count the "sequel" then it could be called "great", maybe. But it's hardly a masterpiece or something along those lines imo. And the sequel was so fucking awful that I cannot really give it more than mediocre overall. And you're awfully hypocritic if you're going to ignore the fact that opinions might not all be the same, calling what I personally (thus it must be everyone's opinion, clearly) think is an excellent series "mediocre".
Ga Rei Zero was amazing, Eca isn't a fan of it because he has no heart.
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Kensuke aside the Ga Rei manga was decent enough. For starters you actually have the Ga-rei being relevant in the manga.
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Action aside the anime just does what it can to make Yomi as much a victim of circumstance as possible which pretty much shapes most of the major relationships later on so I dont see where the mediocrity pops up in the manga going from the anime since the sobstory's are pretty much in the same vein.
The only outlier is Kensuke.
Also lol @ puppey Byakuei
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o hey, and also...
I watched the first episode of fairy tail and seemed a little insane(alot of stuff happened really fast and what not)
does this get any more serious or it stays with this comedic tone all time pretty much?
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