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On August 24 2012 10:11 Southlight wrote:
Develop her character?
>Develop
2.
to cause to grow or expand: to develop one's muscles.
3.
to elaborate or expand in detail: to develop a theory.
4.
to bring into being or activity; generate; evolve.
I must be looking up the wrong dictionary. I can't figure out where develop equates to be the same thing across two entire Grail Wars. Including # of combat victories in canon.
Did you not read FSN? And btw, its really pathetic how you like to pick and choose what you think is "canon", and therefore what the only valid discussion material is.
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On August 24 2012 10:29 ragz_gt wrote:
Hisui Kohaku released what they were bottling up the whole time once it became too much.
Shiki (the non sucky one) developed in accepting herself and Kokutou, which is pretty much on par with Saber in Fate route. Though Shiki is a more kickarse character to begin with,
The other Shiki just grew into a perverted monster >.<
Aozaki sisters I don't think grew at all, they just keep extending on their projected path without regard to others.
And Gilgamesh.... he just want whatever he want and then want some other stuff later. Same character all across pretty much.
Ciel has some real growth but obviously no one ever care about her.
If you ignore the journey and look purely at the end result, maybe. The process in Fate was horribly contrived.
No fucking way about the Aozaki sisters.
On August 24 2012 10:29 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 10:11 Southlight wrote:
Develop her character?
>Develop
2.
to cause to grow or expand: to develop one's muscles.
3.
to elaborate or expand in detail: to develop a theory.
4.
to bring into being or activity; generate; evolve.
I must be looking up the wrong dictionary. I can't figure out where develop equates to be the same thing across two entire Grail Wars. Including # of combat victories in canon. Did you not read FSN? And btw, its really pathetic how you like to pick and choose what you think is "canon", and therefore what the only valid discussion material is.
Canon is HF iirc, that has basically no Saber.
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Haven't been reading the thread lately.
Oh, more whining about Saber?
Sounds like fun.
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On August 24 2012 10:32 Ecael wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 10:29 ragz_gt wrote:
Hisui Kohaku released what they were bottling up the whole time once it became too much.
Shiki (the non sucky one) developed in accepting herself and Kokutou, which is pretty much on par with Saber in Fate route. Though Shiki is a more kickarse character to begin with,
The other Shiki just grew into a perverted monster >.<
Aozaki sisters I don't think grew at all, they just keep extending on their projected path without regard to others.
And Gilgamesh.... he just want whatever he want and then want some other stuff later. Same character all across pretty much.
Ciel has some real growth but obviously no one ever care about her. If you ignore the journey and look purely at the end result, maybe. The process in Fate was horribly contrived. No fucking way about the Aozaki sisters. Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 10:29 Sentenal wrote:On August 24 2012 10:11 Southlight wrote:
Develop her character?
>Develop
2.
to cause to grow or expand: to develop one's muscles.
3.
to elaborate or expand in detail: to develop a theory.
4.
to bring into being or activity; generate; evolve.
I must be looking up the wrong dictionary. I can't figure out where develop equates to be the same thing across two entire Grail Wars. Including # of combat victories in canon. Did you not read FSN? And btw, its really pathetic how you like to pick and choose what you think is "canon", and therefore what the only valid discussion material is. Canon is HF iirc, that has basically no Saber.
Nasu never said what is canon, and there is mixed messages across the board as to what is and what isn't canon. Its also a completely pointless discussion, so I don't know why people would even bring it up.
You got some stories following HF, then you have Realta Nua giving Fate an after-game epilogue. Nasu probably doesn't know wtf is going on himself, and its not like it matters since he isn't too big on making sequels.
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On August 24 2012 10:34 Zeke50100 wrote:
Haven't been reading the thread lately.
Oh, more whining about Saber?
Sounds like fun.
Sucks I have to defend Saber even though she is like my 3rd fav character (mostly because she has best doujins) >.<
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On August 24 2012 10:34 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 10:32 Ecael wrote:On August 24 2012 10:29 ragz_gt wrote:
Hisui Kohaku released what they were bottling up the whole time once it became too much.
Shiki (the non sucky one) developed in accepting herself and Kokutou, which is pretty much on par with Saber in Fate route. Though Shiki is a more kickarse character to begin with,
The other Shiki just grew into a perverted monster >.<
Aozaki sisters I don't think grew at all, they just keep extending on their projected path without regard to others.
And Gilgamesh.... he just want whatever he want and then want some other stuff later. Same character all across pretty much.
Ciel has some real growth but obviously no one ever care about her. If you ignore the journey and look purely at the end result, maybe. The process in Fate was horribly contrived. No fucking way about the Aozaki sisters. On August 24 2012 10:29 Sentenal wrote:On August 24 2012 10:11 Southlight wrote:
Develop her character?
>Develop
2.
to cause to grow or expand: to develop one's muscles.
3.
to elaborate or expand in detail: to develop a theory.
4.
to bring into being or activity; generate; evolve.
I must be looking up the wrong dictionary. I can't figure out where develop equates to be the same thing across two entire Grail Wars. Including # of combat victories in canon. Did you not read FSN? And btw, its really pathetic how you like to pick and choose what you think is "canon", and therefore what the only valid discussion material is. Canon is HF iirc, that has basically no Saber. Nasu never said what is canon, and there is mixed messages across the board as to what is and what isn't canon. Its also a completely pointless discussion, so I don't know why people would even bring it up.
Still doesn't really change anything, Fate was horribly contrived and F/Z's sole purpose is to show how much Saber fails so that her whining in Fate makes sense.
On August 24 2012 10:36 ragz_gt wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 10:34 Zeke50100 wrote:
Haven't been reading the thread lately.
Oh, more whining about Saber?
Sounds like fun. Sucks I have to defend Saber even though she is like my 3rd fav character (mostly because she has best doujins) >.<
idk, all the good t-m doujins are imo about Tsukihime, a few about rakkyo and the ones that involve the entire Nasuverse include Saber out of pure obligation.
There is a reason Crazy Clover Club's Saber is pretty useless~
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Crazy Clover Club all Fate characters are pretty useless lol.
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On August 24 2012 10:36 Ecael wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 10:34 Sentenal wrote:On August 24 2012 10:32 Ecael wrote:On August 24 2012 10:29 ragz_gt wrote:
Hisui Kohaku released what they were bottling up the whole time once it became too much.
Shiki (the non sucky one) developed in accepting herself and Kokutou, which is pretty much on par with Saber in Fate route. Though Shiki is a more kickarse character to begin with,
The other Shiki just grew into a perverted monster >.<
Aozaki sisters I don't think grew at all, they just keep extending on their projected path without regard to others.
And Gilgamesh.... he just want whatever he want and then want some other stuff later. Same character all across pretty much.
Ciel has some real growth but obviously no one ever care about her. If you ignore the journey and look purely at the end result, maybe. The process in Fate was horribly contrived. No fucking way about the Aozaki sisters. On August 24 2012 10:29 Sentenal wrote:On August 24 2012 10:11 Southlight wrote:
Develop her character?
>Develop
2.
to cause to grow or expand: to develop one's muscles.
3.
to elaborate or expand in detail: to develop a theory.
4.
to bring into being or activity; generate; evolve.
I must be looking up the wrong dictionary. I can't figure out where develop equates to be the same thing across two entire Grail Wars. Including # of combat victories in canon. Did you not read FSN? And btw, its really pathetic how you like to pick and choose what you think is "canon", and therefore what the only valid discussion material is. Canon is HF iirc, that has basically no Saber. Nasu never said what is canon, and there is mixed messages across the board as to what is and what isn't canon. Its also a completely pointless discussion, so I don't know why people would even bring it up. Still doesn't really change anything, Fate was horribly contrived and F/Z's sole purpose is to show how much Saber fails so that her whining in Fate makes sense.
Fate wasn't "horrible", it wasn't great sure, but I think how "bad" it is simply gets blown out of proportion. Anyway, I feel like we will continue to run around in circles here, so I'll leave defending mai waifu at that.
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On August 24 2012 10:38 ragz_gt wrote:
Crazy Clover Club all Fate characters are pretty useless lol.
Well F/Z characters got to be a lot more badass than F/SN lol
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HF is definitely canon, lol. There is only one route in which a certain Japanese boy is given a full-doll body by a certain esteemed puppetmaster. This interaction has been mentioned in too many stories. A lot of people are wishful because it's "boring" that all the heroes get shat on completely, but it's also the only one that makes sense because it's not like Zouken suddenly croaks between F/Z and F/SN. What, do you expect him to be like OH ANOTHER GRAIL WAR IMA SIT THIS OUT. lol.
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By the way ragz_gt my responses were in the previous page.
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On August 24 2012 10:36 Ecael wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 10:34 Sentenal wrote:On August 24 2012 10:32 Ecael wrote:On August 24 2012 10:29 ragz_gt wrote:
Hisui Kohaku released what they were bottling up the whole time once it became too much.
Shiki (the non sucky one) developed in accepting herself and Kokutou, which is pretty much on par with Saber in Fate route. Though Shiki is a more kickarse character to begin with,
The other Shiki just grew into a perverted monster >.<
Aozaki sisters I don't think grew at all, they just keep extending on their projected path without regard to others.
And Gilgamesh.... he just want whatever he want and then want some other stuff later. Same character all across pretty much.
Ciel has some real growth but obviously no one ever care about her. If you ignore the journey and look purely at the end result, maybe. The process in Fate was horribly contrived. No fucking way about the Aozaki sisters. On August 24 2012 10:29 Sentenal wrote:On August 24 2012 10:11 Southlight wrote:
Develop her character?
>Develop
2.
to cause to grow or expand: to develop one's muscles.
3.
to elaborate or expand in detail: to develop a theory.
4.
to bring into being or activity; generate; evolve.
I must be looking up the wrong dictionary. I can't figure out where develop equates to be the same thing across two entire Grail Wars. Including # of combat victories in canon. Did you not read FSN? And btw, its really pathetic how you like to pick and choose what you think is "canon", and therefore what the only valid discussion material is. Canon is HF iirc, that has basically no Saber. Nasu never said what is canon, and there is mixed messages across the board as to what is and what isn't canon. Its also a completely pointless discussion, so I don't know why people would even bring it up. Still doesn't really change anything, Fate was horribly contrived and F/Z's sole purpose is to show how much Saber fails so that her whining in Fate makes sense. Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 10:36 ragz_gt wrote:On August 24 2012 10:34 Zeke50100 wrote:
Haven't been reading the thread lately.
Oh, more whining about Saber?
Sounds like fun. Sucks I have to defend Saber even though she is like my 3rd fav character (mostly because she has best doujins) >.< idk, all the good t-m doujins are imo about Tsukihime, a few about rakkyo and the ones that involve the entire Nasuverse include Saber out of pure obligation. There is a reason Crazy Clover Club's Saber is pretty useless~
Shiki can kill servants. Canon!
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On August 24 2012 10:40 Southlight wrote:
HF is definitely canon, lol. There is only one route in which a certain Japanese boy is given a full-doll body by a certain esteemed puppetmaster. This interaction has been mentioned in too many stories. A lot of people are wishful because it's "boring" that all the heroes get shat on completely, but it's also the only one that makes sense because it's not like Zouken suddenly croaks between F/Z and F/SN. What, do you expect him to be like OH ANOTHER GRAIL WAR IMA SIT THIS OUT. lol.
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By the way ragz_gt my responses were in the previous page.
Aozaki sisters' story were interesting but growth path were really predictable. Maybe because their image in Tsukihime / KnK, when I read their story it's like "Of course, obviously that's what happened".
You are right about Shiki, which is what I meant but just generalized as "herself". That doesn't make it that difference from Saber (Fate route obviously, since she doesn't do much anywhere else) though.
The other Shiki ----> perverted monster... and he is a guy so no one cares anyway :p
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Saber had no difference, lol. The only change in her character was that she noticed that the Grail was evil this time and bothered destroying it, as opposed to being completely ignorant the first time.
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No, for Saber the Grail symbolized her personal quest to save her kingdom (and her image as an ideal king) by doing something magnificent like finding the Holy Grail. Her change is learning to value her life as a human, not some untouchable, unapproachable ruler, which by extension teaches her what it means to be a good ruler. Destroying the Grail because its evil is valid and all, but also it can be interpreted as her destroying the Grail because she doesn't need it anymore.
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Fate must be the ADT equivalent of girl group rankings in KMD.
For some reason I never really got emotionally invested in any of the Fate characters :X
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On August 24 2012 10:57 Aerisky wrote:
Fate must be the ADT equivalent of girl group rankings in KMD.
For some reason I never really got emotionally invested in any of the Fate characters :X
My emotional investment is mostly just MahoYo/KnK characters and unending hate for Saber, lol.
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On August 24 2012 10:57 LunarC wrote:
No, for Saber the Grail symbolized her personal quest to save her kingdom (and her image as an ideal king) by doing something magnificent like finding the Holy Grail. Her change is learning to value her life as a human, not some untouchable, unapproachable ruler, which by extension teaches her what it means to be a good ruler. Destroying the Grail because its evil is valid and all, but also it can be interpreted as her destroying the Grail because she doesn't need it anymore.
Not to mention in Good Ending she straight up gave up her quest and live together happily ever after with Shirou (while in threesome with Rin) LOL
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I just figured she fell for peen, but that's ok.
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On August 24 2012 10:59 Southlight wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 10:57 Aerisky wrote:
Fate must be the ADT equivalent of girl group rankings in KMD.
For some reason I never really got emotionally invested in any of the Fate characters :X My emotional investment is mostly just MahoYo/KnK characters and unending hate for Saber, lol.
How can you hate someone that shoots gold beams of innocence and idealism out her sword lol
that said knk shiki > all
yeah falling for peen is part of her learning to live her own fucking life instead of trying to live as some unattainable ideal king.
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On August 24 2012 11:05 LunarC wrote:Show nested quote +On August 24 2012 10:59 Southlight wrote:On August 24 2012 10:57 Aerisky wrote:
Fate must be the ADT equivalent of girl group rankings in KMD.
For some reason I never really got emotionally invested in any of the Fate characters :X My emotional investment is mostly just MahoYo/KnK characters and unending hate for Saber, lol. How can you hate someone that shoots gold beams of innocence and idealism out her sword lol that said knk shiki > all
I can't vote for Shiki 1st because she'd slice me in half at any moment. A common issue with all TM girls pretty much but her case is especially bad.
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