Anime Discussion Thread - Page 1690

On December 14 2011 11:21 MrF wrote:
hunterXhunter is one of the best animes ever made.

On December 14 2011 11:39 Requizen wrote:

Been reading the manga, first few chapters. Should I just do the anime instead?

On December 14 2011 11:00 Zergneedsfood wrote:



lol. If I did write it, who should be on my team? Maybe I'll write it about how TLADT forms a team and we become a group of inseparable friends and end up winning....some team tournament in BW or something.

On December 14 2011 12:12 Kaal wrote:


Whoever this new guy is that comes into the channel, I like him.

On December 14 2011 16:31 KazeHydra wrote:
could it be!? Mii is a tsundere! didn't really like her character before but this changes things. what a hidden gem in Zoids Genesis, although Kotona being tsundere would've been 100x better being voiced by Shizuka Itou and just having a more likable character design to begin with. I hope they don't drop it halfway through. Could be good if they actually developed her character across the entire anime like this.

On December 14 2011 17:10 Sentenal wrote:

She was tsundere from her very first appearance. IDK how far you are in, but how could you have not noticed that?

On December 14 2011 11:21 MrF wrote:
hunterXhunter is one of the best animes ever made.

On December 14 2011 18:10 KazeHydra wrote:

She was tsun from the beginning but never any dere until now (I'm at 24 now but I didn't write that immediately after I noticed it so probably somewhere around ep15). Unless she showed it in the first few eps which I skipped because I saw them a few months ago and dropped it and only picked it up again now. Either way, since this isn't a harem or romance which generally butcher the archetype, I wouldn't label characters who hate on the MC all the time a tsundere unless they clearly show a significant number of dere moments, which only starts around ep15. I don't even think there was any blushing until like ep20, which is the most overused yet almost necessary indicator of a tsundere to begin with. Note that blushing while yelling doesn't count; there's a big difference between that and blushing prior to yelling that continues throughout the yelling. In retrospect, it's easy to say she was from the beginning because all her nagging at the start is now explained. Although now I'm curious whether she did display some dere when they first met which would explain everything since my qualifications for a tsundere still stand. In that case, I would've labeled her as a potential tsundere which doesn't really get confirmation for awhile.

On December 15 2011 03:32 Sentenal wrote:

Not Tsundere unless they show significant number of "dere" moments? What about Louise from ZnT? What about Shana? Tsundere now days just means bitch who occasionally blushes at the guy she bitches about.

I only watched the first... I don't remember, 10 episodes or so. But even I remember some "dere" moments. 100% Tsundere from the start.

On December 15 2011 04:40 Blasterion wrote:

Shana and Louise are just Tsun. without the dere

On December 15 2011 03:32 Sentenal wrote:

Not Tsundere unless they show significant number of "dere" moments? What about Louise from ZnT? What about Shana? Tsundere now days just means bitch who occasionally blushes at the guy she bitches about.

I only watched the first... I don't remember, 10 episodes or so. But even I remember some "dere" moments. 100% Tsundere from the start.

On December 15 2011 05:10 KazeHydra wrote:

That's why I said "since this isn't a harem or romance" because then you'd be right. The only reason they get labeled tsundere is because it's a romance so they end up as the worst written tsundere possible due to being carbon copies of each other and the writers not giving a damn because everyone will accept it anyway. If you took these characters, subtracted all the blushing (which is the only dere thing they do nowadays) and put them into a more serious genre then they would just be characters who complain and hate on a person all the time, which is basically Mii for the first 15 eps. If you want to use the tsundere standard that exists for the harem or romance genre for everything else, then I'll concede she's tsundere from the start by those standards.

However, when a show is not about romance, the characters meant to be tsundere are almost always far better than the crap you're referring to that we've been getting. It's not uncommon to get characters that actually do hate a person and only warms up sometimes but isn't a tsundere. Similarly, you can get characters that clearly hate a person then slowly warm up to that person as the story progresses, which is an example of a tsundere that does not obviously start as one. Since tsundere is not "needed" in the same way as harem or "preferred" like in romance, when it appears in other genres, the writers can actually make her more than just an angry girl. As a result, you get very clear indications between characters who are legitimately angry and characters who are tsundere. If you used harem/romance standards, both would be labeled tsundere but for some reason one is written 100x better. Regardless of how you wish to define one though, Mii's character as a tsundere is far more apparent and clear from eps ~15-25 compared to the start. Whereas her previous balance of tsun and dere was 99-1, it's now roughly 50-50. The change in her attitude (which you did not reach) is pretty blatant. So, you can argue she was a tsundere from the start but then the writers changed their minds about making a copy of some loli tsundere from some harem/romance genre.