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On October 06 2018 08:42 Mensol wrote:
Zoro used to be as strong as Luffy before Katakuri fight though. After WCI arc, Oda made it clear that the ranking is Luffy/Zoro/Jinbei.
Not even close. Zoro is the one who improved the most from where he started, but he was never close to Luffy. The best, and official indicator was the douriki measurement during Enies Lobby. It's doubtful that Sanji and Zoro were on the same level since Jyabura and Kaku had the same douriki (actually Kaku had 10 more), but Lucci was way above the other CP9 members and Luffy has had trouble dealing with him. I'm not saying that he's 2x as strong as Zoro or anything, but they were never on the same level.
It's hard to assess Luffy's strength accurately because he's a plain looking guy without muscles, but he was already super strong when the series started, he just lacked real combat experience. Remember how he punched through Krieg's metal or steel armor? Or when he lifted that huge wooden ship part of Kuro's? The god knows how many tons of golden ball punch?
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I'm just without words.. Wow
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On October 19 2018 18:00 sharkie wrote:
Mythical Zoan type Chinese dragon?
Also Jack really is nothing special haha. First losing to the minks, then losing to marines, now losing to a ronin
Jack is just a tank - just keeps on taking hits and rolling. Dude was literally on the ocean floor the last time we saw him
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On October 19 2018 19:46 valaki wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2018 08:42 Mensol wrote:
Zoro used to be as strong as Luffy before Katakuri fight though. After WCI arc, Oda made it clear that the ranking is Luffy/Zoro/Jinbei. Not even close. Zoro is the one who improved the most from where he started, but he was never close to Luffy. The best, and official indicator was the douriki measurement during Enies Lobby. It's doubtful that Sanji and Zoro were on the same level since Jyabura and Kaku had the same douriki (actually Kaku had 10 more), but Lucci was way above the other CP9 members and Luffy has had trouble dealing with him. I'm not saying that he's 2x as strong as Zoro or anything, but they were never on the same level. It's hard to assess Luffy's strength accurately because he's a plain looking guy without muscles, but he was already super strong when the series started, he just lacked real combat experience. Remember how he punched through Krieg's metal or steel armor? Or when he lifted that huge wooden ship part of Kuro's? The god knows how many tons of golden ball punch?
They were about equal on post-time skip until WCI arc has happened. Oda has shown that Zoro can also hold himself against Luffy's opponents, Hody Jones and Fujitora. Pica and Monet werent chumps either.
Anyway, i like the theory about Kaidou being a dragon who ate Oni DF, which gave him human qualities. Thus thats why he is called the strongest creature in the world. I also like the theory about Orochi also being a dragon, where both Kaidou and Shogun represents Dragon of the East and Dragon of the West.
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On October 19 2018 21:45 Bagration wrote:Show nested quote +On October 19 2018 18:00 sharkie wrote:
Mythical Zoan type Chinese dragon?
Also Jack really is nothing special haha. First losing to the minks, then losing to marines, now losing to a ronin Jack is just a tank - just keeps on taking hits and rolling. Dude was literally on the ocean floor the last time we saw him
Yeah, it seems to me like Jack's thing is his ability to take punishment and be OK.
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Jack is likely another half-fishman with those teeth allowing him to breathe underwater. Love the character, great devil fruit to pair with such a vicious enforcer.
Shutenmaru is likely to be one of the three samurai that Kimmeon is searching for, you can also just look at the outlines and compare lol. In the tale of the 47 ronin, after their master is killed, the samurai under him vow to scatter and regroup years later to take revenge for their lord by assassinating the other lord responsible. Part of their scheme includes becoming drunks and vagrants in public to masquerade their public actions to elude spies.
One of them supposedly marries the daughter of the architect of the targeted lord’s manor, just to get access to the blueprints! Another frequents the tea houses and whorehouses and casts himself as a degenerate fallen samurai so hopefully O-Robi chapter soon!
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On October 19 2018 18:00 sharkie wrote:
Mythical Zoan type Chinese dragon?
Also Jack really is nothing special haha. First losing to the minks, then losing to marines, now losing to a ronin
Jack was never even close to losing to the minks. That's the whole point. They fight for 5 days straight. The minks take breaks, Jack doesn't. But they don't gain any ground on him at all. They just get rid of his underlings. And you say marines like it's just pleb soldiers and not Fujitora, Sengoku and Tsuru.
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Oh no yet another boring chapter explaining the same thing they already explaind in the last cha....wait what in the actual fuck holy shit hype.
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United States97276 Posts
what I learned from Fairy Tail is the power of friendship kills all dragons so I expect Kaido to die pretty easily to Nakama power
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Austria24417 Posts
Pretty curious about Momo's devil fruit, he looks like a miniature of Kaidou.
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Nothing can make me believe that Shanks dont have a very powerful DF after seeing each Yonkou.
Whitebeard/deceased - Had power to destroy the world with his DF.
Blackbeard - Got Whitebeards power on top of his darkness fruit, where he can neutralize any DF power.
Big Mom - Has homies where she can control fire, lighting and water, her skin thick like an iron. Was strong enough to kill an Elbaf legend at age of 5 lmao.
Kaidou - a legendary immortal dragon that cant be killed.
Shanks? just a boi with one arm who uses sword.
You just cant be equal to those monsters by only having a strong haki. There is Garp, but he is an exception in whole series, plus he havent got only one arm like Shanks.
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What about Rayleigh? Pirate King's #2 with just Haki and swordsmanship.
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We havent seen prime Rayleigh fighting so i cant make comment on that. However, if you are talking about present Rayleigh, there is 10 years difference between him and Big Mom. I dont think he could beat her
You are missing something again that Shanks has one arm despite being a swordsman. It is a huge disadvantage.
There is an example of Mihawk, the strongest swordsman who is in prime atm. Do you think he can beat one of Kaidou/Big Mom/Blackbeard in a 1v1 fight?
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His one arm is still enough to stop attacks from Whitebeard and Akainu. I reckon he's just very strong and has (some of) the greatest Haki in One Piece.
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Yeah it's probably Haki based. Like Katakuri showed that there was a next level for Obs Haki, but also armament Haki. Maybe Shanks just excels at that.
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MIhawk is prime rayleigh level (zoro's final opponent should be this strong and zoro should be able to extreme diff diff diff rayleigh by the time luffy is pirate king).
So by end of series Luffy is pirate king level, zoro is yonko level, and sanji is admiral level. Mihawk should theoretically be able to give very very difficult fight for any of the yonkos.
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Didnt Shanks like, walk into the sea in the very first chapter of the series?
Something that DF users cant do without being paralyzed from the weist down???
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On October 20 2018 03:45 Ej_ wrote:
Didnt Shanks like, walk into the sea in the very first chapter of the series?
Something that DF users cant do without being paralyzed from the weist down???
He swam, which is something that DF users can't do without sinking. But that was 10 years before Luffy started his journey. I guess what Mensol is saying is that Shanks ate a DF in the big ass time gap to compensate for the loss of an arm.
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oda showed shanks' brief clash with whitebeard for a reason; to highlight that a one armed small fry like shanks has the strength to go toe to toe with the strongest man in the world with his haki alone.
hes not going to have a devil fruit power
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Shutenmaru is likely to be one of the three samurai that Kimmeon is searching for
He's definitely Boy Ashura, it matches perfectly with the dude Oden was fighting previous chapter.
Wonder if the Kishiro fellow we saw chapter 919 is also one of them...
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