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On October 02 2015 12:02 terranghost wrote: you wouldnt happen to implying that moria and buggy are on the same level? please buggy is the fodder that fodder looks at and scoffs at for being fodder
not saying Moria is fodder he could definently beat fodder but id put him pretty low on the power scale
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Its hard to really gauge how strong Moria is. His Devil Fruit is pretty strong, what with being able to mass produce an army with relative ease like at Marineford, or how he was semi-invincible at Thriller Bark with Doppleman, etc. He was once Kaido's rival, although he was defeated by him. Moria is one of those pirates who want to rely on a real strong crew as his "strength", rather than individual battle prowess. Which makes me think that hes just lazy.
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Since he himself is really weak he needs time. He can snowball pretty hard though if given time since every time he gains strength he can beat stronger people which he can steal their shadow and become even stronger etc etc. I think he has a really good DF but himself is only meh. He actually had a viable strategy though slowly building strength. If Luffy and company hadn't come along by now he would have a really powerful shadow army.
Though the whole salt thing can bite him in the ass vs certain people and battlefields.
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On October 02 2015 11:20 Spicy_Curry wrote: thats probably the main villain of the zou arc
I seriously doubt it. How do you even get an entire arc with that guy? Literally every arc involve the straw hats fighting their enemies on their enemies turf, where they've already prepared their machinations since a long time. He might show up and be an enemy, but he won't be the main antagonist
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Consider what Gecko Moria looked like at the beginning of his Pirating Career:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/mtvFI19.png) At the very least, he looked infinitely more intimidating than he is now. And he had a chin.
Now compare that to the fat walking dildo that he is in the present. He probably used to be the type to train himself, and individually was probably pretty powerful. And then he got wrecked by Kaido. Queue his current crew philosophy and him turning into a lazy fatass. Now hes relatively weak. So basically, if he gets his shit together post-timeskip (after having gotten stomped like 3 separate times in the manga), he might have taken a few steps up in the power ranks.
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Yea he may very well be a textbook example of how the New World can wreck people. In his case really knocked his mental state.
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On October 02 2015 12:53 Sentenal wrote:Consider what Gecko Moria looked like at the beginning of his Pirating Career: + Show Spoiler +At the very least, he looked infinitely more intimidating than he is now. And he had a chin. Now compare that to the fat walking dildo that he is in the present. He probably used to be the type to train himself, and individually was probably pretty powerful. And then he got wrecked by Kaido. Queue his current crew philosophy and him turning into a lazy fatass. Now hes relatively weak. So basically, if he gets his shit together post-timeskip (after having gotten stomped like 3 separate times in the manga), he might have taken a few steps up in the power ranks.
That's if he trained during the timeskip. The way I imagine things, after he got saved by Absalom at Marineford, he joined the newspaper Absalom works for, became an editor, and is now even weaker than before.
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That would be funny, but I don't see Moria not in a combat role in the future of the manga. And if he is still as weak as he was, I can't exactly imagine him accomplishing anything. If Oda didn't have plans for him, what would be the point of mysteriously saving his life?
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I agree that Fake Whitebeard Jr looks like fodder, but of course he isn't he just looks like a mook impersonating WB poorly like fake Luffy. I'm sure the returning defeated characters will all be leveled up siginificantly. Rob Lucci, Crocodile, Mr 1, Moria and even Buggy. How much relative to now depends. Buggy will probably be leveled up for New World, but still a joke. Crocodile even though he was one of Luffy's earliest opponents will probably be fairly strong along with Rob Lucci. Moria was strong because of his preparation so he probably is weaker than other returning 1st tier villains, but who knows if Mr 1 is going to rival Zoro again I could see Mr 1 being stronger than Moria.
Though Buggy's rise to power hasn't been explained clear enough. I get that he is supposed to have ex Impel Down members from the bottom floors, but they all look like generic henchmen with no special abilities. If Buggy is to be a Shichibukai even though he is weak he needs both exaggerated reputation and a strong crew, but the crew was just said to be strong never shown to be.
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On October 02 2015 13:09 Sentenal wrote: That would be funny, but I don't see Moria not in a combat role in the future of the manga. And if he is still as weak as he was, I can't exactly imagine him accomplishing anything. If Oda didn't have plans for him, what would be the point of mysteriously saving his life?
Oh you're definitely right or at least closer to the truth than I am. It would still be funny as hell to see him as a newspaper editor being blackmailed by the revolutionary army to publish their propaganda instead of the government's.
With regards to Weeble even if he looks like fodder he is monstrously strong by all accounts even by Shichibukai standards. Many people on forums see a parallel between him and his mother, and majin buu and babidi. The fact that it's unclear whether he'll be Luffy's enemy or ally is pretty cool too.
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Some of you guys have an odd definition of fodder. Just because someone is introduced late and will almost definitely be defeated (or converted) soon does not make him fodder. Was Enel fodder just because he was introduced and defeated in one arc? I would hope not. Weeble has a 480 million bounty, he is smashing Whitebeard's old allied commanders, and he has been named to the Shichibukai. There are only 7 of those and all 7 are named big shots: Kuma, Doflamingo, Mihawk, Trafalgar Law, Boa Hancock, Buggy, and now Edward Weeble. No, Buggy is not fodder either. He's a doofus, but he's also a former Roger Pirate and one of very few people to actually defeat Luffy.
Weeble reminds me a little bit of Oars. He's got the body shape, the hair, the strength, and the simple-minded intelligence. It's possible that he's a very young member of the Oars line and that his "Momma" adopted him or stole him when he was a baby. He doesn't have the teeth, but those may have been altered along with his face (which would explain the scars around his neck).
This seems like one where Luffy will defeat him, but then convert him when Miss Bucking is exposed as a fraud. He'd make a good member of the Barto Club.
edit: Moria will be back when Luffy fights Kaido. Kaido is Moria's true enemy and he'll be able to provide some help to Luffy. Maybe he can use his shadows and make another shadow Luffy to help Luffy win the battle of strength.
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To be fair, a lot of people called a lot of the gladiators from last arc fodder (I remember this because it had to do with the argument about how legit Rebecca's potential fighting prowess was). There is a difference between the New World and the 1st half of the new line. A lot of people would be considered big shots or boss like characters in the 1st half of the grand line but are merely fodder in the New World. Its all contextual from your power relative to those around you.
I agree though that this named guy isn't likely to be fodder but I dunno how Buggy himself isn't fodder tier? If Oda makes his new recruits live up to the hype the Buggy Pirates have strength as an aggregate but Buggy's personality of always looking for the quickest path to strength/money/fame heavily restricts his personal power. The guy probably hasn't trained a day in his life (outside of what he was forced to do as a newbie on Roger's crew). I still would expect Oda to give him a modest power boost from the time skip though but he is no longer in a primary antagonist role imo.
I can see Weeble serving as an almost comic relief mid-tier boss figure with his slow wit.
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How on earth does this guy look like fodder? This is the New World, there are so many strong people out there which haven't been met.
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I think the elephant has to be related to the Void century in someway, that last panel and the fact that it's been around for 1000 years has to be relevant somehow. Could it be one of the ancient weapons? Are the tribe who lives on it descendants of those who fought the World Government?
I'm actually more interested in Zou as an island that Weeble. I'm sure Oda has a plan for Weeble but he's just another strong person to me, whereas Zou seems connected to the past of One Piece in some important way and that is very interesting to me.
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The name Buggy made for himself is already good enough for shichibukai.
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On October 02 2015 18:25 Incognoto wrote: How on earth does this guy look like fodder? This is the New World, there are so many strong people out there which haven't been met. Looks like fodder doesn't mean is. A better way to put it is Weeble looks like shit. He looks as shitty as "Three-Tongued" Demaro Black who impersonated Luffy is that clear enough?
Usually the physical character design says something about the character's strength but Weeble is likely made to be a contradiction. He is a very shitty impersonation of WB yet somehow he is still really strong.
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He looks like gengar from behind.
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Marco hype!?
Barto crew is funny
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Uh Edward Weeble can't possibly be fodder... Did you guys not read what Kizaru said about him?
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