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On September 26 2015 17:47 goody153 wrote:
yeah hopefully cp0 are like super elite new government people . Maybe Lucchi is the only one part of them and the other cp9 are just his subordinates now. Since Lucchi is supposedly the strongest of the group and he should be stronger now than the past 2 years.
Well CP0 was just building on the hype of CP9 anyways so it's fine for Rob Lucci to come back when he made one of the fan favorite fights of the series. CP9 was an elite assassination group from the world government the strongest of the nine Cipher Pol groups that the Straw Hats struggled to defeat, now it turns out there was an even stronger group called CP0 you didn't know about. As for who the other characters are I'm fine with it being all new, mostly old or an even mix, but I could see the rest of CP9 living a normal life.
Though I don't think anyone is as tall as the first CP0 figures we saw in the original CP9.
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I'm ok with Rob Lucci being one of the CP0 or even if some of the old CP9 are part of CP0 but hopefully there are more new characters than old. Would prefer if Lucci was some kind of double agent or like he's part of the new CP0 but playing his own game.
Lets see what will Oda present to us. Yeah Lucci vs Luffy was so fucking fun
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On September 26 2015 23:35 BlackMagister wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2015 17:47 goody153 wrote:
yeah hopefully cp0 are like super elite new government people . Maybe Lucchi is the only one part of them and the other cp9 are just his subordinates now. Since Lucchi is supposedly the strongest of the group and he should be stronger now than the past 2 years. Well CP0 was just building on the hype of CP9 anyways so it's fine for Rob Lucci to come back when he made one of the fan favorite fights of the series. CP9 was an elite assassination group from the world government the strongest of the nine Cipher Pol groups that the Straw Hats struggled to defeat, now it turns out there was an even stronger group called CP0 you didn't know about. As for who the other characters are I'm fine with it being all new, mostly old or an even mix, but I could see the rest of CP9 living a normal life. Though I don't think anyone is as tall as the first CP0 figures we saw in the original CP9.
I like that Rob Lucci is in CP0. I said a while back that CP0 bothered the shit out of me by being a thing. Back when CP9 was first introduced, they were a secret Cipher Pol that no one knew about (except everyone did lol), and were called the strongest Cipher Pol unit, and got hyped up so much. And then CP0 comes around, and it just seemed like DBZ Power escalation. A secret Cipher Pol that no one knew about (except everyone did)(again), and get called the strongest Cipher Pol unit (again), and get hyped up (again). Now it turns out Rob Lucci, the man behind CP9's hype, is part of CP0 now. That makes it an easier pill to swallow. Now maybe I can just lie to myself and create some headcanon that CP0 is a new unit that got formed over the timeskip, and then I won't have to get bothered by the seemingly gross lack of creativity on Oda's part with CP0.
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On September 27 2015 08:12 Sentenal wrote:Show nested quote +On September 26 2015 23:35 BlackMagister wrote:On September 26 2015 17:47 goody153 wrote:
yeah hopefully cp0 are like super elite new government people . Maybe Lucchi is the only one part of them and the other cp9 are just his subordinates now. Since Lucchi is supposedly the strongest of the group and he should be stronger now than the past 2 years. Well CP0 was just building on the hype of CP9 anyways so it's fine for Rob Lucci to come back when he made one of the fan favorite fights of the series. CP9 was an elite assassination group from the world government the strongest of the nine Cipher Pol groups that the Straw Hats struggled to defeat, now it turns out there was an even stronger group called CP0 you didn't know about. As for who the other characters are I'm fine with it being all new, mostly old or an even mix, but I could see the rest of CP9 living a normal life. Though I don't think anyone is as tall as the first CP0 figures we saw in the original CP9. I like that Rob Lucci is in CP0. I said a while back that CP0 bothered the shit out of me by being a thing. Back when CP9 was first introduced, they were a secret Cipher Pol that no one knew about (except everyone did lol), and were called the strongest Cipher Pol unit, and got hyped up so much. And then CP0 comes around, and it just seemed like DBZ Power escalation. A secret Cipher Pol that no one knew about (except everyone did)(again), and get called the strongest Cipher Pol unit (again), and get hyped up (again). Now it turns out Rob Lucci, the man behind CP9's hype, is part of CP0 now. That makes it an easier pill to swallow. Now maybe I can just lie to myself and create some headcanon that CP0 is a new unit that got formed over the timeskip, and then I won't have to get bothered by the seemingly gross lack of creativity on Oda's part with CP0.
Wow my thoughts exactly.
Sometimes I wish that Oda never did a time skip in order to keep the power levels in check. It really cheapens all of the earlier arcs when you know some random from the new world can conquer alabasta. But you can't really get away from that in a shonen, can you?
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On October 01 2015 00:48 Hyperbola wrote:Show nested quote +On September 27 2015 08:12 Sentenal wrote:On September 26 2015 23:35 BlackMagister wrote:On September 26 2015 17:47 goody153 wrote:
yeah hopefully cp0 are like super elite new government people . Maybe Lucchi is the only one part of them and the other cp9 are just his subordinates now. Since Lucchi is supposedly the strongest of the group and he should be stronger now than the past 2 years. Well CP0 was just building on the hype of CP9 anyways so it's fine for Rob Lucci to come back when he made one of the fan favorite fights of the series. CP9 was an elite assassination group from the world government the strongest of the nine Cipher Pol groups that the Straw Hats struggled to defeat, now it turns out there was an even stronger group called CP0 you didn't know about. As for who the other characters are I'm fine with it being all new, mostly old or an even mix, but I could see the rest of CP9 living a normal life. Though I don't think anyone is as tall as the first CP0 figures we saw in the original CP9. I like that Rob Lucci is in CP0. I said a while back that CP0 bothered the shit out of me by being a thing. Back when CP9 was first introduced, they were a secret Cipher Pol that no one knew about (except everyone did lol), and were called the strongest Cipher Pol unit, and got hyped up so much. And then CP0 comes around, and it just seemed like DBZ Power escalation. A secret Cipher Pol that no one knew about (except everyone did)(again), and get called the strongest Cipher Pol unit (again), and get hyped up (again). Now it turns out Rob Lucci, the man behind CP9's hype, is part of CP0 now. That makes it an easier pill to swallow. Now maybe I can just lie to myself and create some headcanon that CP0 is a new unit that got formed over the timeskip, and then I won't have to get bothered by the seemingly gross lack of creativity on Oda's part with CP0. Wow my thoughts exactly. Sometimes I wish that Oda never did a time skip in order to keep the power levels in check. It really cheapens all of the earlier arcs when you know some random from the new world can conquer alabasta. But you can't really get away from that in a shonen, can you?
Actually in One Piece's case that actually is supposed to be.
East, west, south and north blue could be conquered by anyone from the grand line.
And of course the earlier stations of the grand line have weaker opponents than the further in ones.
It makes sense since One Piece is at the very end of the grand line.
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On October 01 2015 00:58 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 00:48 Hyperbola wrote:On September 27 2015 08:12 Sentenal wrote:On September 26 2015 23:35 BlackMagister wrote:On September 26 2015 17:47 goody153 wrote:
yeah hopefully cp0 are like super elite new government people . Maybe Lucchi is the only one part of them and the other cp9 are just his subordinates now. Since Lucchi is supposedly the strongest of the group and he should be stronger now than the past 2 years. Well CP0 was just building on the hype of CP9 anyways so it's fine for Rob Lucci to come back when he made one of the fan favorite fights of the series. CP9 was an elite assassination group from the world government the strongest of the nine Cipher Pol groups that the Straw Hats struggled to defeat, now it turns out there was an even stronger group called CP0 you didn't know about. As for who the other characters are I'm fine with it being all new, mostly old or an even mix, but I could see the rest of CP9 living a normal life. Though I don't think anyone is as tall as the first CP0 figures we saw in the original CP9. I like that Rob Lucci is in CP0. I said a while back that CP0 bothered the shit out of me by being a thing. Back when CP9 was first introduced, they were a secret Cipher Pol that no one knew about (except everyone did lol), and were called the strongest Cipher Pol unit, and got hyped up so much. And then CP0 comes around, and it just seemed like DBZ Power escalation. A secret Cipher Pol that no one knew about (except everyone did)(again), and get called the strongest Cipher Pol unit (again), and get hyped up (again). Now it turns out Rob Lucci, the man behind CP9's hype, is part of CP0 now. That makes it an easier pill to swallow. Now maybe I can just lie to myself and create some headcanon that CP0 is a new unit that got formed over the timeskip, and then I won't have to get bothered by the seemingly gross lack of creativity on Oda's part with CP0. Wow my thoughts exactly. Sometimes I wish that Oda never did a time skip in order to keep the power levels in check. It really cheapens all of the earlier arcs when you know some random from the new world can conquer alabasta. But you can't really get away from that in a shonen, can you? Actually in One Piece's case that actually is supposed to be. East, west, south and north blue could be conquered by anyone from the grand line. And of course the earlier stations of the grand line have weaker opponents than the further in ones. It makes sense since One Piece is at the very end of the grand line.
And it's not really easy to go back from Grand Line, and once Red Line passed, I'd guess it's even harder. Only the marines can cross Calm Belt so technically once you pass the Reverse Mountain, you are stuck in GL till you reach the end.
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Not to mention Admirals can put you down anytime if you are outside of the new world
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On October 01 2015 01:14 Faust852 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 00:58 sharkie wrote:On October 01 2015 00:48 Hyperbola wrote:On September 27 2015 08:12 Sentenal wrote:On September 26 2015 23:35 BlackMagister wrote:On September 26 2015 17:47 goody153 wrote:
yeah hopefully cp0 are like super elite new government people . Maybe Lucchi is the only one part of them and the other cp9 are just his subordinates now. Since Lucchi is supposedly the strongest of the group and he should be stronger now than the past 2 years. Well CP0 was just building on the hype of CP9 anyways so it's fine for Rob Lucci to come back when he made one of the fan favorite fights of the series. CP9 was an elite assassination group from the world government the strongest of the nine Cipher Pol groups that the Straw Hats struggled to defeat, now it turns out there was an even stronger group called CP0 you didn't know about. As for who the other characters are I'm fine with it being all new, mostly old or an even mix, but I could see the rest of CP9 living a normal life. Though I don't think anyone is as tall as the first CP0 figures we saw in the original CP9. I like that Rob Lucci is in CP0. I said a while back that CP0 bothered the shit out of me by being a thing. Back when CP9 was first introduced, they were a secret Cipher Pol that no one knew about (except everyone did lol), and were called the strongest Cipher Pol unit, and got hyped up so much. And then CP0 comes around, and it just seemed like DBZ Power escalation. A secret Cipher Pol that no one knew about (except everyone did)(again), and get called the strongest Cipher Pol unit (again), and get hyped up (again). Now it turns out Rob Lucci, the man behind CP9's hype, is part of CP0 now. That makes it an easier pill to swallow. Now maybe I can just lie to myself and create some headcanon that CP0 is a new unit that got formed over the timeskip, and then I won't have to get bothered by the seemingly gross lack of creativity on Oda's part with CP0. Wow my thoughts exactly. Sometimes I wish that Oda never did a time skip in order to keep the power levels in check. It really cheapens all of the earlier arcs when you know some random from the new world can conquer alabasta. But you can't really get away from that in a shonen, can you? Actually in One Piece's case that actually is supposed to be. East, west, south and north blue could be conquered by anyone from the grand line. And of course the earlier stations of the grand line have weaker opponents than the further in ones. It makes sense since One Piece is at the very end of the grand line. And it's not really easy to go back from Grand Line, and once Red Line passed, I'd guess it's even harder. Only the marines can cross Calm Belt so technically once you pass the Reverse Mountain, you are stuck in GL till you reach the end.
That's not true. Jeff and Mihawk made it back from Grandline as mentioned during Baratie arc (Sanji recruitment or whatever). Arlong was part of fisher tiger's crew and went to east blue. You can probably leave the Grand Line at the 2 red line crossings and don't forget Rayleigh swam to Amazon Lily through the Calm belt. Basically the Lock Port forces you to go only one direction, but with eternal ports or good navigation skills you can leave the Grand Line.
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On October 01 2015 02:15 0nega wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 01:14 Faust852 wrote:On October 01 2015 00:58 sharkie wrote:On October 01 2015 00:48 Hyperbola wrote:On September 27 2015 08:12 Sentenal wrote:On September 26 2015 23:35 BlackMagister wrote:On September 26 2015 17:47 goody153 wrote:
yeah hopefully cp0 are like super elite new government people . Maybe Lucchi is the only one part of them and the other cp9 are just his subordinates now. Since Lucchi is supposedly the strongest of the group and he should be stronger now than the past 2 years. Well CP0 was just building on the hype of CP9 anyways so it's fine for Rob Lucci to come back when he made one of the fan favorite fights of the series. CP9 was an elite assassination group from the world government the strongest of the nine Cipher Pol groups that the Straw Hats struggled to defeat, now it turns out there was an even stronger group called CP0 you didn't know about. As for who the other characters are I'm fine with it being all new, mostly old or an even mix, but I could see the rest of CP9 living a normal life. Though I don't think anyone is as tall as the first CP0 figures we saw in the original CP9. I like that Rob Lucci is in CP0. I said a while back that CP0 bothered the shit out of me by being a thing. Back when CP9 was first introduced, they were a secret Cipher Pol that no one knew about (except everyone did lol), and were called the strongest Cipher Pol unit, and got hyped up so much. And then CP0 comes around, and it just seemed like DBZ Power escalation. A secret Cipher Pol that no one knew about (except everyone did)(again), and get called the strongest Cipher Pol unit (again), and get hyped up (again). Now it turns out Rob Lucci, the man behind CP9's hype, is part of CP0 now. That makes it an easier pill to swallow. Now maybe I can just lie to myself and create some headcanon that CP0 is a new unit that got formed over the timeskip, and then I won't have to get bothered by the seemingly gross lack of creativity on Oda's part with CP0. Wow my thoughts exactly. Sometimes I wish that Oda never did a time skip in order to keep the power levels in check. It really cheapens all of the earlier arcs when you know some random from the new world can conquer alabasta. But you can't really get away from that in a shonen, can you? Actually in One Piece's case that actually is supposed to be. East, west, south and north blue could be conquered by anyone from the grand line. And of course the earlier stations of the grand line have weaker opponents than the further in ones. It makes sense since One Piece is at the very end of the grand line. And it's not really easy to go back from Grand Line, and once Red Line passed, I'd guess it's even harder. Only the marines can cross Calm Belt so technically once you pass the Reverse Mountain, you are stuck in GL till you reach the end. That's not true. Jeff and Mihawk made it back from Grandline as mentioned during Baratie arc (Sanji recruitment or whatever). Arlong was part of fisher tiger's crew and went to east blue. You can probably leave the Grand Line at the 2 red line crossings and don't forget Rayleigh swam to Amazon Lily through the Calm belt. Basically the Lock Port forces you to go only one direction, but with eternal ports or good navigation skills you can leave the Grand Line.
You would however, agree that most of the rando's can't get out, which is what matters for the point.
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On October 01 2015 02:15 0nega wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 01:14 Faust852 wrote:On October 01 2015 00:58 sharkie wrote:On October 01 2015 00:48 Hyperbola wrote:On September 27 2015 08:12 Sentenal wrote:On September 26 2015 23:35 BlackMagister wrote:On September 26 2015 17:47 goody153 wrote:
yeah hopefully cp0 are like super elite new government people . Maybe Lucchi is the only one part of them and the other cp9 are just his subordinates now. Since Lucchi is supposedly the strongest of the group and he should be stronger now than the past 2 years. Well CP0 was just building on the hype of CP9 anyways so it's fine for Rob Lucci to come back when he made one of the fan favorite fights of the series. CP9 was an elite assassination group from the world government the strongest of the nine Cipher Pol groups that the Straw Hats struggled to defeat, now it turns out there was an even stronger group called CP0 you didn't know about. As for who the other characters are I'm fine with it being all new, mostly old or an even mix, but I could see the rest of CP9 living a normal life. Though I don't think anyone is as tall as the first CP0 figures we saw in the original CP9. I like that Rob Lucci is in CP0. I said a while back that CP0 bothered the shit out of me by being a thing. Back when CP9 was first introduced, they were a secret Cipher Pol that no one knew about (except everyone did lol), and were called the strongest Cipher Pol unit, and got hyped up so much. And then CP0 comes around, and it just seemed like DBZ Power escalation. A secret Cipher Pol that no one knew about (except everyone did)(again), and get called the strongest Cipher Pol unit (again), and get hyped up (again). Now it turns out Rob Lucci, the man behind CP9's hype, is part of CP0 now. That makes it an easier pill to swallow. Now maybe I can just lie to myself and create some headcanon that CP0 is a new unit that got formed over the timeskip, and then I won't have to get bothered by the seemingly gross lack of creativity on Oda's part with CP0. Wow my thoughts exactly. Sometimes I wish that Oda never did a time skip in order to keep the power levels in check. It really cheapens all of the earlier arcs when you know some random from the new world can conquer alabasta. But you can't really get away from that in a shonen, can you? Actually in One Piece's case that actually is supposed to be. East, west, south and north blue could be conquered by anyone from the grand line. And of course the earlier stations of the grand line have weaker opponents than the further in ones. It makes sense since One Piece is at the very end of the grand line. And it's not really easy to go back from Grand Line, and once Red Line passed, I'd guess it's even harder. Only the marines can cross Calm Belt so technically once you pass the Reverse Mountain, you are stuck in GL till you reach the end. That's not true. Jeff and Mihawk made it back from Grandline as mentioned during Baratie arc (Sanji recruitment or whatever). Arlong was part of fisher tiger's crew and went to east blue. You can probably leave the Grand Line at the 2 red line crossings and don't forget Rayleigh swam to Amazon Lily through the Calm belt. Basically the Lock Port forces you to go only one direction, but with eternal ports or good navigation skills you can leave the Grand Line.
I said it was hard, not impossible. Mikawk probably has access to Marine technology since he is a Shichibukai. I'd guess there are also marine escort for marchants who goes from GL to the poles oceans too, Zeff might have cross that way. I don't remember Reyleigh swiming through Calm Belt but I'll beleive you, still the distance of Amazon Lily in CB isn't that long and Rayleigh is motherfucking Rayleigh tho.
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I don't think it is particularly hard to get to the Blues, it's just not worth it. If you can hack it in the New World, you stay there and get $$$. Going back across the Grand Line is the equivalent of going back to Pallet Town when you've beaten the last gym leader already.
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Well, but Arlong did exactly what we're talking about. After Fisher Tiger died he went to East Blue and was one of the strongest over there.
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On October 01 2015 02:42 0nega wrote:
Well, but Arlong did exactly what we're talking about. After Fisher Tiger died he went to East Blue and was one of the strongest over there.
Maybe it's easier for fishermen to cross Calm Bet since they are able to swim at high speed across the ocean.
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Why do you need to bring up fishmen and strong characters when Don Krieg could go back?
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I always assumed he went through Calm Belt because his huge ass float won't pass the montain. I think it's not impossible to cross that, just very risky.
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On October 01 2015 00:58 sharkie wrote:Show nested quote +On October 01 2015 00:48 Hyperbola wrote:On September 27 2015 08:12 Sentenal wrote:On September 26 2015 23:35 BlackMagister wrote:On September 26 2015 17:47 goody153 wrote:
yeah hopefully cp0 are like super elite new government people . Maybe Lucchi is the only one part of them and the other cp9 are just his subordinates now. Since Lucchi is supposedly the strongest of the group and he should be stronger now than the past 2 years. Well CP0 was just building on the hype of CP9 anyways so it's fine for Rob Lucci to come back when he made one of the fan favorite fights of the series. CP9 was an elite assassination group from the world government the strongest of the nine Cipher Pol groups that the Straw Hats struggled to defeat, now it turns out there was an even stronger group called CP0 you didn't know about. As for who the other characters are I'm fine with it being all new, mostly old or an even mix, but I could see the rest of CP9 living a normal life. Though I don't think anyone is as tall as the first CP0 figures we saw in the original CP9. I like that Rob Lucci is in CP0. I said a while back that CP0 bothered the shit out of me by being a thing. Back when CP9 was first introduced, they were a secret Cipher Pol that no one knew about (except everyone did lol), and were called the strongest Cipher Pol unit, and got hyped up so much. And then CP0 comes around, and it just seemed like DBZ Power escalation. A secret Cipher Pol that no one knew about (except everyone did)(again), and get called the strongest Cipher Pol unit (again), and get hyped up (again). Now it turns out Rob Lucci, the man behind CP9's hype, is part of CP0 now. That makes it an easier pill to swallow. Now maybe I can just lie to myself and create some headcanon that CP0 is a new unit that got formed over the timeskip, and then I won't have to get bothered by the seemingly gross lack of creativity on Oda's part with CP0. Wow my thoughts exactly. Sometimes I wish that Oda never did a time skip in order to keep the power levels in check. It really cheapens all of the earlier arcs when you know some random from the new world can conquer alabasta. But you can't really get away from that in a shonen, can you? Actually in One Piece's case that actually is supposed to be. East, west, south and north blue could be conquered by anyone from the grand line. And of course the earlier stations of the grand line have weaker opponents than the further in ones. It makes sense since One Piece is at the very end of the grand line.
Except Cipher Pol isn't a location. Its a branch of the World Government. And CP9 was supposed to be the strongest Cipher Pol. If they weren't, then they shouldn't have been hyped up like that. Its not like CP9 only operated on the first half, and CP0 takes the second half.
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the way understood it was this cp1-8 were just random itelligence agents spread across the world.
but cp0/9 were different both were kept secret
cp9 was an assassination unit under the beck and call of the admirals and gourousi.
While the cp0 is assassination unit under the world nobles.
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buggy, shanks, don krieg, arlong actually all of the starting characters/villains were originally from the grand line
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On October 01 2015 06:10 sertas wrote:
buggy, shanks, don krieg, arlong actually all of the starting characters/villains were originally from the grand line
shanks is from west blue, don krieg is from east blue just he got owned in the grand line
captain kuro was also from east blue iirc
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