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Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
July 14 2015 06:55 GMT
#22441
They want to be the best of the supernovas so of course they want to up the game and take down a bigger name in DF. KIdd seems very much into proving he is the best of the new generation.
Never Knows Best.
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6668 Posts
July 14 2015 07:08 GMT
#22442
Not sure how I feel about the situation.

On one hand, if Shanks loses to these guys, I'm going to be disappointed. Shanks was hyped so much so to have him get killed by a couple of rookies seems off.

At the same time it'd be disappointing if Kidd and them all just got rekt since they are supposed to be the new generation and Luffy's rival for finding one piece.

Either way its going to be bitter sweet.
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
RenSC2
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States1099 Posts
July 14 2015 07:32 GMT
#22443
Kidd had a higher bounty than Luffy on Shabondy. Hawkins had a higher bounty than Law and Apoo was just barely behind Law. Killer was also ahead of Zoro. Even with all the crap that Luffy pulled in Marineford, his bounty only went up to 400 million. Kidd is now at 470 million, with Hawkins at 320 million and Apoo at 350 million. Killer is a solid 200 million.

That's 4 huge bounties. Law was only at 440 when he became a Shichibukai, who are supposed to be hugely powerful. So you're looking at an alliance that has at least one guy considered a bigger threat than a shichibukai as well as three other big powers. Combined, they're a threat to Shanks, and the Kidd alliance destroying the Red-Haired pirates would put Luffy on a collision course with Kidd, who was set up to be the rival in Shabondy.
Playing better than standard requires deviation. This divergence usually results in sub-standard play.
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20255 Posts
July 14 2015 07:34 GMT
#22444
Bounties don't mean much, pretty sure Kidd's was only higher because he had a habit of attacking civilians and in general being among the more cruel of the supernovas.
Never Knows Best.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18762 Posts
July 14 2015 08:35 GMT
#22445
On July 14 2015 16:32 RenSC2 wrote:
Kidd had a higher bounty than Luffy on Shabondy. Hawkins had a higher bounty than Law and Apoo was just barely behind Law. Killer was also ahead of Zoro. Even with all the crap that Luffy pulled in Marineford, his bounty only went up to 400 million. Kidd is now at 470 million, with Hawkins at 320 million and Apoo at 350 million. Killer is a solid 200 million.

That's 4 huge bounties. Law was only at 440 when he became a Shichibukai, who are supposed to be hugely powerful. So you're looking at an alliance that has at least one guy considered a bigger threat than a shichibukai as well as three other big powers. Combined, they're a threat to Shanks, and the Kidd alliance destroying the Red-Haired pirates would put Luffy on a collision course with Kidd, who was set up to be the rival in Shabondy.


Luffy's bounty is on his power level alone.
Kidd and Killer are both known to be bad guys, terrorizing civilians and probably killing innocent people.

I'd rate Law's 440 over Kidd's 470.
Rehio
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1718 Posts
July 14 2015 11:13 GMT
#22446
Remember that bounties don't really have anything to do with fighting strength, they're just a measure of how threatened the World Government feels about a pirate.

Of course, when the WG is making bounties, stronger pirates will naturally feel more threatening, but it's not the only factor involved.
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
July 14 2015 11:14 GMT
#22447
There's a chance of Kidd being stronger than both Luffy and Law.

If Kidd is mastered his Devil Fruit, there's a chance of him repelling people like he do with metallic materials since blood possess iron. This can also make his aim to take down Shanks more realistic.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
July 14 2015 16:30 GMT
#22448
any time an assumption has been made for plot, it has been turned upside down
maru lover forever
Salteador Neo
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Andorra5591 Posts
July 14 2015 16:34 GMT
#22449
^ Yeah I agree. Oda probably introduced the idea of Kidd&others vs Shanks crew so everyone wonders who wins between those... and then we go wtf when Bbeard shows up, kills Kidd and takes his power
Revolutionist fan
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
July 14 2015 19:34 GMT
#22450
I'd be disappointed if shanks loses to kidd. The only reason whitebeard lost was because he was already old and dying. It's not time for shanks to lose to some newbie.
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Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
July 14 2015 20:02 GMT
#22451
so why should kaido lose to luffy?
maru lover forever
Raneth
Profile Joined December 2009
England527 Posts
July 14 2015 20:13 GMT
#22452
They're not newbies anymore haha, 470 million bounty, its been 2 years since they were first the new commers These are the new generation hitting their prime.
tom: "dont you mean TWO g keys???" kwark: "nah, i'll probably just press it twice"
Sableyeah
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands2119 Posts
July 14 2015 21:32 GMT
#22453
On July 14 2015 16:08 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Not sure how I feel about the situation.

On one hand, if Shanks loses to these guys, I'm going to be disappointed. Shanks was hyped so much so to have him get killed by a couple of rookies seems off.

At the same time it'd be disappointing if Kidd and them all just got rekt since they are supposed to be the new generation and Luffy's rival for finding one piece.

Either way its going to be bitter sweet.


Yes very true. As always I want to know the bounty of Kaido or Shanks or Dragon.
BoA | Sunny | HyunA | ChoA | Hyemi // Preoccupied with a single leaf, you won't see the tree. Preoccupied with a single tree and you will miss the entire f0rest - Takuan Soho
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
July 14 2015 21:39 GMT
#22454
Well Kid have to become Yonkou. Pretty sure he will get rid of both Hawkins and Apoo at some point.

For now:

Luffy = Shanks
Law = Whitebeard
Kid = Kaido

Shanks (Luffy) and WB (Law) is good on terms and helps each other when its matter. While Kaidou (Kid) hates everything just like Kid. He even tried to stop Shanks when Shanks was going Marineford.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
July 14 2015 22:06 GMT
#22455
On July 15 2015 05:02 Incognoto wrote:
so why should kaido lose to luffy?


Easy because luffy is the star of the manga and fated to become the pirate king. I would assume defeating kaido would come towards the end of the manga because after that there's nothing in his way to becoming the pirate king, unless some naruto level secret real bad ass behind the scenes appears in the future. If not kaido, then blackbeard would be the final boss and revenge for ace. Not sure which way oda will go but I see one of those two as being the final boss.
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intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
July 14 2015 22:28 GMT
#22456
On July 15 2015 07:06 Canucklehead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2015 05:02 Incognoto wrote:
so why should kaido lose to luffy?


Easy because luffy is the star of the manga and fated to become the pirate king. I would assume defeating kaido would come towards the end of the manga because after that there's nothing in his way to becoming the pirate king, unless some naruto level secret real bad ass behind the scenes appears in the future. If not kaido, then blackbeard would be the final boss and revenge for ace. Not sure which way oda will go but I see one of those two as being the final boss.

I feel like we would've met this secret badass earlier in the series though, I think that's part of how Oda does his story: shows us sweet characters before we realize who they really are.
kiss kiss fall in love
Necro)Phagist(
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada6668 Posts
July 14 2015 22:28 GMT
#22457
On July 15 2015 07:06 Canucklehead wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2015 05:02 Incognoto wrote:
so why should kaido lose to luffy?


Easy because luffy is the star of the manga and fated to become the pirate king. I would assume defeating kaido would come towards the end of the manga because after that there's nothing in his way to becoming the pirate king, unless some naruto level secret real bad ass behind the scenes appears in the future. If not kaido, then blackbeard would be the final boss and revenge for ace. Not sure which way oda will go but I see one of those two as being the final boss.

No way Kaido is the final Boss. He is going to be the next guy Luffy takes down. After which he still has to deal with Big Mom, Kidd alliance, Blackbeard and Akainu, Gorosei and the tenryuubito. Not to mention the other admirals, shichibuaki he might fight along the way etc.

Kaido is far from being the final boss imho.
"Are you talking to me? Because your authority is not recognized in fort kick ass!"" ||Park Jung Suk|| |MC|HerO|HyuN|
intotheheart
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada33091 Posts
July 14 2015 22:31 GMT
#22458
On July 15 2015 07:28 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2015 07:06 Canucklehead wrote:
On July 15 2015 05:02 Incognoto wrote:
so why should kaido lose to luffy?


Easy because luffy is the star of the manga and fated to become the pirate king. I would assume defeating kaido would come towards the end of the manga because after that there's nothing in his way to becoming the pirate king, unless some naruto level secret real bad ass behind the scenes appears in the future. If not kaido, then blackbeard would be the final boss and revenge for ace. Not sure which way oda will go but I see one of those two as being the final boss.

No way Kaido is the final Boss. He is going to be the next guy Luffy takes down. After which he still has to deal with Big Mom, Kidd alliance, Blackbeard and Akainu, Gorosei and the tenryuubito. Not to mention the other admirals, shichibuaki he might fight along the way etc.

Kaido is far from being the final boss imho.

I agree with that, yeah. I think that either Blackbeard or the Gorosei will be the final boss, just with how the series has ramped up so far. I wouldn't want the final boss to be anything but someone who has had a huge impact on the series so far. Furthermore, Blackbeard and Luffy butted heads from close to the very beginning - long before Kaido even entered the picture. It just wouldn't feel interesting to have Kaido be the final boss since we don't know a thing about him, but that might just be me. Luffy has incentives to fight the World Government or Blackbeard.
kiss kiss fall in love
Canucklehead
Profile Joined March 2011
Canada5074 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-07-14 22:58:57
July 14 2015 22:56 GMT
#22459
On July 15 2015 07:28 Necro)Phagist( wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2015 07:06 Canucklehead wrote:
On July 15 2015 05:02 Incognoto wrote:
so why should kaido lose to luffy?


Easy because luffy is the star of the manga and fated to become the pirate king. I would assume defeating kaido would come towards the end of the manga because after that there's nothing in his way to becoming the pirate king, unless some naruto level secret real bad ass behind the scenes appears in the future. If not kaido, then blackbeard would be the final boss and revenge for ace. Not sure which way oda will go but I see one of those two as being the final boss.

No way Kaido is the final Boss. He is going to be the next guy Luffy takes down. After which he still has to deal with Big Mom, Kidd alliance, Blackbeard and Akainu, Gorosei and the tenryuubito. Not to mention the other admirals, shichibuaki he might fight along the way etc.

Kaido is far from being the final boss imho.


I think Big Mom is the next arc. I mean sanji and them are supposedly captured by her but who knows since we haven't seen them in forever. I agree though that Kaido being the final boss wouldn't have the same impact and personal connection as black beard being the final boss. However, kaido is billed as being the strongest person in the world, so luffy can't defeat him too early otherwise that label loses all its meaning.
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Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
July 14 2015 23:39 GMT
#22460
On July 15 2015 07:28 IntoTheheart wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 15 2015 07:06 Canucklehead wrote:
On July 15 2015 05:02 Incognoto wrote:
so why should kaido lose to luffy?


Easy because luffy is the star of the manga and fated to become the pirate king. I would assume defeating kaido would come towards the end of the manga because after that there's nothing in his way to becoming the pirate king, unless some naruto level secret real bad ass behind the scenes appears in the future. If not kaido, then blackbeard would be the final boss and revenge for ace. Not sure which way oda will go but I see one of those two as being the final boss.

I feel like we would've met this secret badass earlier in the series though, I think that's part of how Oda does his story: shows us sweet characters before we realize who they really are.

i dont think Oda is planning such twists like that though, he writes a more straight forward story and its often pretty clear when someone arrives if there good or bad
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