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ddrddrddrddr
Profile Joined August 2010
1344 Posts
February 22 2012 18:39 GMT
#3641
Ichigo, it's time for the truth. I loved your mother, but we each had our kinks. As you have probably guessed by now, you were conceived in a reaper-human-quincy-hollow-ginger orgy.
antilyon
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Brazil2546 Posts
February 22 2012 19:28 GMT
#3642
On February 23 2012 03:39 ddrddrddrddr wrote:
Ichigo, it's time for the truth. I loved your mother, but we each had our kinks. As you have probably guessed by now, you were conceived in a reaper-human-quincy-hollow-ginger orgy.

This might be the best explanation so far.
Rafreaky
Profile Joined February 2012
United States7 Posts
February 22 2012 19:31 GMT
#3643
The show is okay, but I think the story moved too slow.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
February 22 2012 19:35 GMT
#3644
id point out how it makes absolutely no sense at all for Quincies to be declaring war on the Shinigami and having fused with hollows or something and point out all the parts of the manga that support my side of the argument

but whats the point....?
Uhnno
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands288 Posts
February 22 2012 19:36 GMT
#3645
On February 23 2012 03:01 Paperplane wrote:
This is exactly what Bleach's problem is. First an unknown group declares war out of nowhere and then he starts explaining their background. It's far more epic if the tension slowly builds up to a boiling point. It's like he's telling the story backwards.

Still hope Kubo manages to end the manga in an epic way. We'll see what happens.


You nailed it. Kubo is just a very inept story-teller. It feels like he does not have a long term plan at all. Story wise, things have gone from bad to worse, especially with the rehash of certain gimmicks (last moment save of Ichigo/Ishida/random shinigami's etc etc). This gives me the idea he's making up shit as he goes along. Such a shame.

There are no indications that this arc will be better than the ones before.
DrGreen
Profile Joined July 2010
Poland708 Posts
February 22 2012 20:20 GMT
#3646
hmmm... just how do those guys fight?

they have no hands..
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
February 22 2012 20:23 GMT
#3647
That's the biggest problem. Kubo's not a story teller but a character generator. He has admitted in the past that when he is stuck on a story, he makes up new characters to move it along. He's also devoted way too much time developing very minor characters while not developing some major supporting characters enough. He seems to be incapable of figuring out which of his characters are more important to the plot.

During the arrancar arc, for example, Ulquiorra and Grimjow were really the only important espadas in terms of plot. Yet Kubo gave a back story for pretty much all of them and even some of their useless fraccion. Same with the recently completed arc. Only Ginjo and Tsukishima were important enemies yet everybody received a back story at the cost of glossing over Ginjo's and Tsukishima's back stories, which should have been fleshed out more.

Ichigo surpassed the vice-captains roughly 400 chapters ago. They're pretty much useless in terms of power levels. In terms of emotional connection to the main character and the plot, only Rukia and Renji are important. Yet Kubo still continuously gives screen time to many of them.
killa_robot
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada1884 Posts
February 22 2012 20:30 GMT
#3648
I don't get why Ichigo was acting like the guy who was standing on his bed was going to attack him...Can't a guy just appear out of no where and stand on someone's bed without having to fight for his life?

Also the war should have been against the hollows. Just stupid that it's vs anyone else.
Teh_id10t
Profile Joined February 2012
United States7 Posts
February 22 2012 20:55 GMT
#3649
The question that I don't see anyone asking which side with Ishida take? Yes they are apparently fighting the Quincys but they see to have been corrupted by Hollows. So are they more like quincys with fullbrings?
Teh_id10t
Profile Joined February 2012
United States7 Posts
February 22 2012 20:56 GMT
#3650
Also a cero fired from a quincy's bow would hurt like hell
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
February 22 2012 21:05 GMT
#3651
On February 23 2012 05:55 Teh_id10t wrote:
The question that I don't see anyone asking which side with Ishida take? Yes they are apparently fighting the Quincys but they see to have been corrupted by Hollows. So are they more like quincys with fullbrings?

Uryu isnt on the Quincys side, hes said before that he sided with the Shinigami and agreed with there actions against Quincys (aside from the one who killed his granpappy) so theres strong evidence that Uryu will be fighting the Quncys

so im guessing next Chapter hell switch sides
RamenStyle
Profile Joined September 2004
United States1929 Posts
February 22 2012 21:26 GMT
#3652
On February 23 2012 05:20 DrGreen wrote:
hmmm... just how do those guys fight?

they have no hands..

With KT at the head of the script, it is plausible that they have big dongs that launch liquid zeros or some crap like that.
Elerris
Profile Joined July 2011
Australia137 Posts
February 22 2012 21:29 GMT
#3653
I think they should just end the anime/manga with Kenpachi getting Bankai + Hollow Powers and destroying the world.
Greth
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
Belgium318 Posts
February 22 2012 22:35 GMT
#3654
On February 23 2012 06:29 Elerris wrote:
I think they should just end the anime/manga with Kenpachi getting Bankai + Hollow Powers and destroying the world.


Kenpachi should have gotten his bankai when his power level still mattered. Obviously these Quincy that are going to declare war on the shini's are all powerful 'that have been watching the whole aizen etc .. thing from the start!' they'll defeat all the major characters instantly because Ichigo will need to rescue them. All of the masks you see will become characters - sort of like the espada.
They're killing off the people of soul society.

Now this arrancar dude quincy is going to ginjo on ichigo, telling him he needs to join them - or they fight because Ichigo is already 'too far gone'.

Then the same thing will happen with whatshisface quicy dude with the glasses.

Ichigo wins, goes to SS, beats everyone, gg bleach.
http://youtube.com/grethsc
flamewheel
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
FREEAGLELAND26781 Posts
February 22 2012 23:24 GMT
#3655
On February 23 2012 02:00 Medrea wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
[image loading]


Truly the best artist of our time.

ಠ_ಠ

that picture is lols
Writerdamn, i was two days from retirement
StorkHwaiting
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3465 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-22 23:54:19
February 22 2012 23:53 GMT
#3656
On February 22 2012 22:20 Dark_Chill wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2012 14:37 Sufficiency wrote:
On February 16 2012 16:48 Jayson X wrote:
On February 16 2012 11:50 StorkHwaiting wrote:
On February 16 2012 10:45 SheaR619 wrote:
On February 16 2012 10:04 StorkHwaiting wrote:
Just roflmao. Bleach is such utter trash! Art is terrible. Plot is a tragic joke. The dialogue is abysmal. Sers how bad is this shit? Every time there's a conversation it ends in some horrendous punchline.

Sers how does Kubo live with himself?

Exhibit A:
By the way... you didn't tell us your name.
You're right. I'll tell you. IVAN.
I don't know who you are... BUT GET OFF MY BED!

Exhibit B:
By the way, it's not yesterday. It's two days ago. YOU SLEPT ONE FULL DAY!

Awful. Just awful. I wish there was some way I could show Kubo how much of an anti-fan I am.


Hey, I am completely fine with you dissing on everything Bleach right there but the art not that bad. The art is the only thing they got going correctly lol unless the artist develop Turret Syndrome and start scribbling everywhere -.-


I dno. The art's been pretty terrible lately. Kubo puts random lines and vectors all over the place just to fill up space because he's too lazy to draw actual details. His characters in many panels are just basic outlines. In areas where there should be detail and contour lines he's just putting shade patches and not even those are well drawn. Just look at his technique for drawing necks. All you see are a bunch of straight lines that end in a black blot.

Example: http://www.mangareader.net/bleach/481/12

Example of good manga art: http://www.mangastream.to/air-gear-chapter-311-page-16.html



Meh I like his artstyle. But he's changing it all the time. He almost never draws backgrounds/surroundings anymore which is really a shame because it keeps his characters almost floating in nothingness. His battles have become incredibly weak, almost incomparable to the beginnings of this manga...

Kubo has managed to master this minimal effort technic. Every damn week you get 18 pages of almost nothing. These mangas are best consumed when you can read 50ish chapters at once. Then it's good again.


Comparison with Oh Great! is a little unfair, though. Air Gear pushes out the same amount of pages biweekly. Besides, Oh Great! is WAY better an artist.


I find Bleach and Air Gear have a sort of parallel history. They both start out strong, but then fizzle down. I guess the difference is that Air Gear lasted longer. The art in Air Gear is really good though.
Now, for new chapter, three different plot lines all introduced in quick succession. This is good, at least one of them has to be good.


Well, I don't think i'd say "unfair." It's comparing a bad manga artist with a good manga artist. Oh Great! might do bi-weekly but his quality is better than twice as good as Kubo's. I'm not saying Kubo's should have to be on the same level of detail and quality but it should be at least in the ballpark. Kubo's is just god awful at times. Look at the new guys who just showed up to declare war on the Gotei 13. They're literally figures with black faces and a tiny black strip across their chest. They don't even look remotely cool or detailed. And they're all standing stiff as wooden figurines. It's just blargh!

Lol yeah see, the guy right above me has the right idea. Such awful awful art for a manga as popular as Bleach. It's truly embarrassing. And it's not like he has story to make up for it. So what does it have? Bad story, bad art? What's left?!
StorkHwaiting
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States3465 Posts
February 22 2012 23:58 GMT
#3657
On February 23 2012 03:37 0kz wrote:
whats interesting is how they walk into who might be one or the strongest character in bleach universe and declare war like nothing ....


How did they even get into SS and all the way to the Commander's office without anyone noticing, stopping them, or alerting the Commander? Why is Bleach so mind-numbingly stupid!?
Korbos
Profile Joined December 2010
Russian Federation56 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-23 00:01:34
February 23 2012 00:01 GMT
#3658
On February 23 2012 08:58 StorkHwaiting wrote:

Why is Bleach so mind-numbingly stupid!?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shounen_manga
The term shōnen, shonen, or shounen manga (少年漫画 shōnen manga?) refers to manga marketed to a male audience aged roughly 10 and up. The Kanji characters (少年) literally mean "few" and "year".
woot
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
February 23 2012 00:11 GMT
#3659
On February 23 2012 08:58 StorkHwaiting wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 23 2012 03:37 0kz wrote:
whats interesting is how they walk into who might be one or the strongest character in bleach universe and declare war like nothing ....


How did they even get into SS and all the way to the Commander's office without anyone noticing, stopping them, or alerting the Commander? Why is Bleach so mind-numbingly stupid!?


Yeah there is supposed to be an enormous forcefield around the whole complex and they just stroll the fuck in.

I bet some of you forgot about that forcefield. Or dont even know what Im talking about.

THAT's classic Kubo.

Do you remember Ganju? I don't.
twitch.tv/medrea
antilyon
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Brazil2546 Posts
February 23 2012 01:57 GMT
#3660
On February 23 2012 08:53 StorkHwaiting wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 22 2012 22:20 Dark_Chill wrote:
On February 22 2012 14:37 Sufficiency wrote:
On February 16 2012 16:48 Jayson X wrote:
On February 16 2012 11:50 StorkHwaiting wrote:
On February 16 2012 10:45 SheaR619 wrote:
On February 16 2012 10:04 StorkHwaiting wrote:
Just roflmao. Bleach is such utter trash! Art is terrible. Plot is a tragic joke. The dialogue is abysmal. Sers how bad is this shit? Every time there's a conversation it ends in some horrendous punchline.

Sers how does Kubo live with himself?

Exhibit A:
By the way... you didn't tell us your name.
You're right. I'll tell you. IVAN.
I don't know who you are... BUT GET OFF MY BED!

Exhibit B:
By the way, it's not yesterday. It's two days ago. YOU SLEPT ONE FULL DAY!

Awful. Just awful. I wish there was some way I could show Kubo how much of an anti-fan I am.


Hey, I am completely fine with you dissing on everything Bleach right there but the art not that bad. The art is the only thing they got going correctly lol unless the artist develop Turret Syndrome and start scribbling everywhere -.-


I dno. The art's been pretty terrible lately. Kubo puts random lines and vectors all over the place just to fill up space because he's too lazy to draw actual details. His characters in many panels are just basic outlines. In areas where there should be detail and contour lines he's just putting shade patches and not even those are well drawn. Just look at his technique for drawing necks. All you see are a bunch of straight lines that end in a black blot.

Example: http://www.mangareader.net/bleach/481/12

Example of good manga art: http://www.mangastream.to/air-gear-chapter-311-page-16.html



Meh I like his artstyle. But he's changing it all the time. He almost never draws backgrounds/surroundings anymore which is really a shame because it keeps his characters almost floating in nothingness. His battles have become incredibly weak, almost incomparable to the beginnings of this manga...

Kubo has managed to master this minimal effort technic. Every damn week you get 18 pages of almost nothing. These mangas are best consumed when you can read 50ish chapters at once. Then it's good again.


Comparison with Oh Great! is a little unfair, though. Air Gear pushes out the same amount of pages biweekly. Besides, Oh Great! is WAY better an artist.


I find Bleach and Air Gear have a sort of parallel history. They both start out strong, but then fizzle down. I guess the difference is that Air Gear lasted longer. The art in Air Gear is really good though.
Now, for new chapter, three different plot lines all introduced in quick succession. This is good, at least one of them has to be good.


Well, I don't think i'd say "unfair." It's comparing a bad manga artist with a good manga artist. Oh Great! might do bi-weekly but his quality is better than twice as good as Kubo's. I'm not saying Kubo's should have to be on the same level of detail and quality but it should be at least in the ballpark. Kubo's is just god awful at times. Look at the new guys who just showed up to declare war on the Gotei 13. They're literally figures with black faces and a tiny black strip across their chest. They don't even look remotely cool or detailed. And they're all standing stiff as wooden figurines. It's just blargh!

Lol yeah see, the guy right above me has the right idea. Such awful awful art for a manga as popular as Bleach. It's truly embarrassing. And it's not like he has story to make up for it. So what does it have? Bad story, bad art? What's left?!

Inoue's boobs of course.
I see Bleach kinda like Lost, it had a great start, great premise but got lost in their own plot.
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