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andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
August 07 2017 16:03 GMT
#32921
I liked this episode. They're finally using good military strategy. Spearmen work best in deep formations. Dany's forces caught them delivering gold and grain from Highgarden to King's Landing. Even without dragons, cavalry catching spearmen in that formation is a recipe for a total rout. The dragon punching holes in the formation is just icing on the cake.
Cricketer12
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
United States13996 Posts
August 07 2017 16:04 GMT
#32922
On August 08 2017 01:03 andrewlt wrote:
I liked this episode. They're finally using good military strategy. Spearmen work best in deep formations. Dany's forces caught them delivering gold and grain from Highgarden to King's Landing. Even without dragons, cavalry catching spearmen in that formation is a recipe for a total rout. The dragon punching holes in the formation is just icing on the cake.

Easily the best battle they have done. Incredibly well made.
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Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9298 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-07 16:20:56
August 07 2017 16:14 GMT
#32923
On August 08 2017 00:30 Redox wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2017 23:43 BluzMan wrote:
Btw did you all notice it was actually Bronn who dismounted Jaime at the last possible moment and made him drown instead of burn? You can tell by the horse.

I did not. I actually wondered who it was. Sure about Bronn?


I think it was Rickon... Dickon.

Awkward that Starks didn't give Meera any reward. I don't expect to see her again in the show, so it looks like they just forgot about her sacrifices.
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Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-07 16:25:17
August 07 2017 16:21 GMT
#32924
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my queen and my king. both gone but not forgotten.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
VHbb
Profile Joined October 2014
692 Posts
August 07 2017 16:37 GMT
#32925
On August 08 2017 00:45 Logo wrote:
Are you mixing up Davos (Jon Snow's Hand, former smuggler and Stannis Hand of the King) with Varys (Bald Spy for the Iron Throne now spying for Dany)? I believe Missandei has only really been talking to Davos and the scenes that have the suspicious dialogue are with him not Varys.


Indeed I am :/
sorry !
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InDaHouse
Profile Joined May 2008
Sweden956 Posts
August 07 2017 16:53 GMT
#32926
Remember the Faceless Men temple in Braavos where Arya was training, there was a carved Weirwood tree representing the Old Gods. Since Bran now is Bloodraven he certainly already knows Arya is a Faceless Man or maybe "Noone".
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Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18289 Posts
August 07 2017 17:04 GMT
#32927
On August 07 2017 16:59 Laurens wrote:
2 pages of discussion and not a single complaint about Dany teleporting or the Lannister army being taken by surprise by a massive army.

TL, are you alright?

Actually I did pause it in the middle of the first scene to comment how NOW they suddenly care about logistics. I figured someone would be attacked mid march. I just also figured they wouldn't be dumb enough to let the gold reach King's Landing and then burn all the food. A rather pyrrhic victory.

Also, I don't know how Jaime survives sinking to the bottom of a lake in a full set of metal armor, but I'm sure we'll find out next week.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18289 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-07 17:20:24
August 07 2017 17:14 GMT
#32928
On August 07 2017 21:06 Noocta wrote:
This episode was very cool, but you can't deny it's full fan service mode at this point lol

But damn, I was hoping for the dragon to take a way bigger hit than that. Like I thought the siege arrow would go straight throught its throat at first. I'm a bit skeptical that such a big siege machine can be weilded by one man also.

Anyhow, it's not exactly a first, and I think the Battlke of the Bastard did it better, but they show pretty well the horror of battle, and the dragon + the dothraki show such a savage and inhuman face of all of it. You really understand why Draenerys father end up looking Mad.

Btw, you guys being on the " I hope the dragon is fine " side is insane to me. Those things are monsters,

Yeah, bronn alone on the siege engine managing to shoot 3 arrows in what looked like a rather brief battle... not very realistic. Cranking a ballista like that all by himself would take a lot longer than he had.

E: this post and my previous one make it sound like I didn't enjoy the episode. I really did. I am happy to point these things out, but in the grand scheme of things, it really doesn't matter whether he fires 1 or 3 bolts: he hits the dragon, which is the main point driving that part of the plot.

Missandei and Dany gossipping was the low point. And Theon and Jon was a bit awkward as if the writers had no idea what these characters would say to each other, but needed them to meet, because plot.

But for the most part a thoroughly enjoyable episode. I liked them pointing out that Bran has gone full awkward and weird. Arya fighting with Brienne had some swordfighting discrepancies, but was generally fun (and badass) and served the purpose of showing her family that she has changed, and the joking "list" is quite real. Also, Bran hasn't "seen" Littlefinger planning his assassination? Or he has, but recognizes Littlefinger is a necessary evil for his family right now?
Broetchenholer
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1961 Posts
August 07 2017 17:15 GMT
#32929
So, that episode was a really punch in the stomach At first they lured me into being somewhat bored and annoyed with the scenes at Winterfell and Dragonstone. Winterfell felt so underwhelming, i guess the characters are not that compassionate anymore but still. Then they showed the training fight between Brienne and Arya and i was moaning at the idea that this fragile kid can do anything else but try to sidestep the blows. I am sorry, the second she tries to parry hits she is either losing her Stiletto or not stoppping the strike. Not to speal about the difference in range. So i was already pretty pissed when the battle started and, i have to give it to them, it was well done.

Seeing Drogon float in over the army was the punch in the stomach. It was beautiful and powerful and the terror and shock it must have created in the hearts of the Lannisters was felt for me as well. The rest of the battle was nice but not great. The stupid scorpion being a stupid piece of nonsense that it is made me a little unhappy again but in the end it wasn't the worst. The best thing was, that i was actually never sure if one of the 4 would actually die. Well okay, 3, Daeny would not have died there, but Drogon, Bronn and Jaime felt in danger of death, there, well done.

And extra for those that love to hear criticism of the show, here some more:

- Why does no army whatsoever have any intel when it's relevant? Gigantic cavalry army sneaking up on them in their own land? Sure.
- That fucking Scorpion. Seriously. So it's a Scorpion that can shoot 3-4 Bolts a minute, rests on a ball-bearing so that it can be moved at a speed limited by your own power. Then it is so balanced that you can easily keep it in every position without having to actually hold it but when you shoot it, it doesn't move an inch... Sounds about right for 2nd worldwar era anti-air cannons.
Mafe
Profile Joined February 2011
Germany5966 Posts
August 07 2017 17:18 GMT
#32930
On August 08 2017 01:53 InDaHouse wrote:
Remember the Faceless Men temple in Braavos where Arya was training, there was a carved Weirwood tree representing the Old Gods. Since Bran now is Bloodraven he certainly already knows Arya is a Faceless Man or maybe "Noone".

I'm still expecting the twist that arya isnt actually arya.
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
August 07 2017 17:23 GMT
#32931
On August 08 2017 02:18 Mafe wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2017 01:53 InDaHouse wrote:
Remember the Faceless Men temple in Braavos where Arya was training, there was a carved Weirwood tree representing the Old Gods. Since Bran now is Bloodraven he certainly already knows Arya is a Faceless Man or maybe "Noone".

I'm still expecting the twist that arya isnt actually arya.


I hope not, I could maybe buy 2 Arya's running around but it makes no sense for her to slaughter the Freys or know intimate details about Arya's life (recognizing Hotpie and Nymeria for example) if she's not actually Arya.
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karazax
Profile Joined May 2010
United States3737 Posts
August 07 2017 17:27 GMT
#32932
On August 08 2017 02:04 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 07 2017 16:59 Laurens wrote:
2 pages of discussion and not a single complaint about Dany teleporting or the Lannister army being taken by surprise by a massive army.

TL, are you alright?


Also, I don't know how Jaime survives sinking to the bottom of a lake in a full set of metal armor, but I'm sure we'll find out next week.


I wonder why the water was so deep? His horse was in ankle deep water charging, he gets knocked off his horse about 5 feet and looks like he sinks 30 feet or more. That's quite a drop off! There is no way I see him dying. If they were going to have him die might as well have made it by dragon breath.


Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
August 07 2017 17:34 GMT
#32933

- Why does no army whatsoever have any intel when it's relevant? Gigantic cavalry army sneaking up on them in their own land? Sure.


I think in this case it makes some sense at least. They were in a logistical nightmare situation trying to haul up all the gold and grain and there were several bits establishing that context. On top of that they seem wary and know there's a risk. I think it's also somewhat reasonable to have a false sense of security since 2 parts of Dany's fleets have already been smashed by Euron. On top of that you can imagine it being a bit tough scouting wise since the Dothraki would move quickly and they'd be in a good position to stop scouts by having mounted archers.
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Broetchenholer
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany1961 Posts
August 07 2017 17:43 GMT
#32934
In medieval times, armies knew other armies were around when they came 50 to 300 km close to each other. All those sneak attacks in the show are highly unrealistic. They make for a great show of course. All they would needed to know of the Dothraki was a lookout on the ridge where the hordes emerged in the end, but i guess that would spoil the surprise. And yeah, if you don't know that enemy has reached the mainland and landed 40k riders on your shores, i guess you don't need lookouts. So, i guess no one is watching the shore then? It's not the biggest fuckup they did for the sake of a cool surprise but it's symptomatic for a lot that is wrong with these seasons.
B.I.G.
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
3251 Posts
August 07 2017 17:44 GMT
#32935
Why are people so bothered by the balista? It seems the natural choice against a heavily armored flying creature. Bit too easy to use for one person, I agree, but let's not forget that person is Bronn tha man himself.
Deleted User 26513
Profile Joined February 2007
2376 Posts
August 07 2017 17:48 GMT
#32936
Now when Daenerys knows what the dragons have to deal with, if she is smart(which is quite questionable at this point), she will slap some armor on these dragons and will win the war without effort.
Why did she burn the grain and left the commander of the army alive ? The wagons with the grain won't run away on their own when everyone else is turned to ashe. She rides a dragon without a saddle, without armor on both her and the dragon, wearing a dress... Like... How is this dumb woman still alive and smart people like Tywin are dead is beyond me.

Otherwise this episode was fun to watch. The battle was cool. I expect a dick move from the Iron Bank.
They will take the money and run after seeing what happened during that battle or even worse - they will back Daenerys.
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9298 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-07 17:50:26
August 07 2017 17:50 GMT
#32937
On August 08 2017 02:44 B.I.G. wrote:
Why are people so bothered by the balista? It seems the natural choice against a heavily armored flying creature. Bit too easy to use for one person, I agree, but let's not forget that person is Bronn tha man himself.


I doesn't bother me, but I guess some people might be annoyed because the dragon was flying straight into the balista instead of circling around it to make itself much harder to hit.
You're now breathing manually
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
August 07 2017 17:57 GMT
#32938
I wouldn't assume that Dany's control of the dragon is 100% precise. Also once the Dothraki clashed Dany can't exactly breath fire into the melee and there were troops among the grain.
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Makro
Profile Joined March 2011
France16890 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-07 17:59:10
August 07 2017 17:58 GMT
#32939
On August 08 2017 02:43 Broetchenholer wrote:
In medieval times, armies knew other armies were around when they came 50 to 300 km close to each other. All those sneak attacks in the show are highly unrealistic. They make for a great show of course. All they would needed to know of the Dothraki was a lookout on the ridge where the hordes emerged in the end, but i guess that would spoil the surprise. And yeah, if you don't know that enemy has reached the mainland and landed 40k riders on your shores, i guess you don't need lookouts. So, i guess no one is watching the shore then? It's not the biggest fuckup they did for the sake of a cool surprise but it's symptomatic for a lot that is wrong with these seasons.

i get what you say but don't expect realistic fight or anticipating ennemies army, at the end of the day it's a show

that surprise bring a lot to the plot, it's better like this imo
Matthew 5:10 "Blessed are those who are persecuted because of shitposting, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven".
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fishjie
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1519 Posts
August 07 2017 18:15 GMT
#32940
On August 07 2017 12:01 Zooper31 wrote:
I honestly don't give a fuck if Jaime and Bronn both die, as long as Drogon doesn't die. Omg if he dies it will legit be the most impactful death for me...


SACRILEGE. bronn is one of my favorite all time heroes. what a badass. i was so scared he was gonna die this ep. as usual he delivered fantastic lines, talked shit, and saved the day. MVP

oth er thoughts. the teleproting wasn't so bad in this ep. mongolians used their mobility to great advantage, covering great distances in short time. i'll let it slide. nitpick: theon just arrived back in dragonstone. if so much time had elapsed, enough for euron to teleport around wiping out enemy navies, theon should've been back already.

arya being able to take on brienne? color me skeptical. it looks like brienne held back because the front kick floored arya. brienne is like 3-4x her weight? if she put full force behind it arya would've lost - but they were portraying the duel like arya outclassed brienne. yet arya could barely take the waif on.

the reunion with sansa was interesting. there was still a lot of tension between the two. and bran has just gone full on dr. manhattan at this point lulz.

otherwise good episode, great battle and it answered a burning question we all had - how would mongolians have done with an f16? A+++
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