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So, there is nothing that suggests he is blocking the food supply?
He got the Reach support through his lover who convinced his father Mace - the only person in the show portrait as even more incompetent than Renly.
Loras might ask about Robb, but that only says that Loras is not quite as dumb. It says nothing about Renly. And besides that, as everyone in the show knows Robb HAS been fighting the Lannisters throughout the entire war. If anything Renly would NOT want Robb to march on King's Landing but to tie up the Lannisters in the Riverlands - which is exactly what happened anyway.
There is plenty of backup he was incompetent and just sitting around. Catelyn: "My son is out fighting a war, not playing at one" (something like that). Lady Olenna gives a whole rant about how dumb her son, Loras, and Renly were, and that they had "no business playing at war". Again, we have statements from Ned, Catelyn, Jaimie, Stannis, Davos, Olenna all saying that Renly was incompetent. Against all that it's pretty ridiculous to make him out as a "brilliant strategist".
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lol kinda excepting the danny and daario thing, but also kinda hoping she wouldnt...seems just so "wut" doesnt she love drogo anymore? (hes dead but still....plus new daario is really skinny i feel for a bad ass warrior)
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so baelish is now, lord of the riverlands, owner of harenhall, lord of the eyre and the vale. And has the heir to winterfell with him. So he has 2/7, and 3/7 by proxy with sansa. Littlefinger is my fav storyline! I'm scared for him now, i half expected him to fly out of that moondoor.
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On May 19 2014 17:56 Shock710 wrote:
lol kinda excepting the danny and daario thing, but also kinda hoping she wouldnt...seems just so "wut" doesnt she love drogo anymore? (hes dead but still....plus new daario is really skinny i feel for a bad ass warrior)
Drogo has been dead for awhile and Dany is a young girl. She's going to have to satisfy her urges sooner or later :p.
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On May 19 2014 17:54 zatic wrote:
So, there is nothing that suggests he is blocking the food supply?
He got the Reach support through his lover who convinced his father Mace - the only person in the show portrait as even more incompetent than Renly.
Loras might ask about Robb, but that only says that Loras is not quite as dumb. It says nothing about Renly. And besides that, as everyone in the show knows Robb HAS been fighting the Lannisters throughout the entire war. If anything Renly would NOT want Robb to march on King's Landing but to tie up the Lannisters in the Riverlands - which is exactly what happened anyway.
There is plenty of backup he was incompetent and just sitting around. Catelyn: "My son is out fighting a war, not playing at one" (something like that). Lady Olenna gives a whole rant about how dumb her son, Loras, and Renly were, and that they had "no business playing at war". Again, we have statements from Ned, Catelyn, Jaimie, Stannis, Davos, Olenna all saying that Renly was incompetent. Against all that it's pretty ridiculous to make him out as a "brilliant strategist".
You got it all wrong. As Renly replies to catelyn, his war has just begun. He was awaiting his meeting with Stannis and simply had to wait another day before starting his march thowards Kings Landing.
Ned, Stannis, Davos and Olenna never said anything wich suggested that Renly was incompetent. Ned, Stannis and Davos opposed him because his place in the line of sucession. Olenna simply wanted to stay out of the war altogheter, but mace saw his chance to make Margaery Queen. Jaime was a kingsguard and did probably not know Renly very well personally, and how many times have you heard him say a kind word about anyone except for barristan selmy whom he squired for? I suggest you really rewatch the episodes.
The Reach is the most fertile lands in westeros, and considering the geography of Westeros, Having control over the Reach, Stormlands and with the Riverlands being on fire (thanks to the Lannisters) you have Kings Landing almost completley cut off from the rest of the realm, wich means no food.
Again, how would someone so "incompetent" manage to forsee cerseis actions and flee the capital the night before Joffrey took over and then proceed to raise the largest host out of all the "Kings"? Again, his deal with the Starks showed that he had a good understanding of politics and how the realm has to function.
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On May 19 2014 18:07 albis wrote:
so baelish is now, lord of the riverlands, owner of harenhall, lord of the eyre and the vale. And has the heir to winterfell with him. So he has 2/7, and 3/7 by proxy with sansa. Littlefinger is my fav storyline! I'm scared for him now, i half expected him to fly out of that moondoor.
The lord of the Eyrie is Robin Arryn AFAIK. But I guess he gets to be like his regent-thingy like Cersei for Tommen.
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On May 19 2014 18:14 Grovbolle wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2014 18:07 albis wrote:
so baelish is now, lord of the riverlands, owner of harenhall, lord of the eyre and the vale. And has the heir to winterfell with him. So he has 2/7, and 3/7 by proxy with sansa. Littlefinger is my fav storyline! I'm scared for him now, i half expected him to fly out of that moondoor. The lord of the Eyrie is Robin Arryn AFAIK. But I guess he gets to be like his regent-thingy like Cersei for Tommen.
And isn't Walder Frey Lord of the Riverlands at the moment? Not to mention the north being a bit of a clusterfuck ruled by anybody but the Starks. Still. Littlefinger fighting.
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Zatic: Man, do you really believe Renly to be more incompetent than the artrocious mistakes we saw from the likes of Robb Stark, Tywins Father (dead, but i guess he sort of counts) Theon Greyjoy, Joffrey, Robert (as king)... just to name a few?
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Zurich15366 Posts
On May 19 2014 18:12 sc2holar wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2014 17:54 zatic wrote:
So, there is nothing that suggests he is blocking the food supply?
He got the Reach support through his lover who convinced his father Mace - the only person in the show portrait as even more incompetent than Renly.
Loras might ask about Robb, but that only says that Loras is not quite as dumb. It says nothing about Renly. And besides that, as everyone in the show knows Robb HAS been fighting the Lannisters throughout the entire war. If anything Renly would NOT want Robb to march on King's Landing but to tie up the Lannisters in the Riverlands - which is exactly what happened anyway.
There is plenty of backup he was incompetent and just sitting around. Catelyn: "My son is out fighting a war, not playing at one" (something like that). Lady Olenna gives a whole rant about how dumb her son, Loras, and Renly were, and that they had "no business playing at war". Again, we have statements from Ned, Catelyn, Jaimie, Stannis, Davos, Olenna all saying that Renly was incompetent. Against all that it's pretty ridiculous to make him out as a "brilliant strategist".
You got it all wrong. As Renly replies to catelyn, his war has just begun. He was awaiting his meeting with Stannis and simply had to wait another day before starting his march thowards Kings Landing. Ned, Stannis, Davos and Olenna never said anything wich suggested that Renly was incompetent. Ned, Stannis and Davos opposed him because his place in the line of sucession. Olenna simply wanted to stay out of the war altogheter, but mace saw his chance to make Margaery Queen. Jaime was a kingsguard and did probably not know Renly very well personally, and how many times have you heard him say a kind word about anyone except for barristan selmy whom he squired for? I suggest you really rewatch the episodes. The Reach is the most fertile lands in westeros, and considering the geography of Westeros, Having control over the Reach, Stormlands and with the Riverlands being on fire (thanks to the Lannisters) you have Kings Landing almost completley cut off from the rest of the realm, wich means no food. Again, how would someone so "incompetent" manage to forsee cerseis actions and flee the capital the night before Joffrey took over and then proceed to raise the largest host out of all the "Kings"? Again, his deal with the Starks showed that he had a good understanding of politics and how the realm has to function.
You got it all wrong. His war started months ago, and he was sitting around. Nothing in the show gives us reason to believe there is any strategy to that. And if there was, it was as dumb as he is. His best action would have been to march on King's Landing while the Starks and the Lannisters are busy in the Riverlands.
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On May 19 2014 18:18 Alethios wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2014 18:14 Grovbolle wrote:On May 19 2014 18:07 albis wrote:
so baelish is now, lord of the riverlands, owner of harenhall, lord of the eyre and the vale. And has the heir to winterfell with him. So he has 2/7, and 3/7 by proxy with sansa. Littlefinger is my fav storyline! I'm scared for him now, i half expected him to fly out of that moondoor. The lord of the Eyrie is Robin Arryn AFAIK. But I guess he gets to be like his regent-thingy like Cersei for Tommen. And isn't Walder Frey Lord of the Riverlands at the moment? Not to mention the north being a bit of a clusterfuck ruled by anybody but the Starks. Still. Littlefinger fighting.
Walder Frey Rules over Riverrun, Tullys old seat. But Baelish is the official lord paramant of the Riverlands. House Bolton rules the North.
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What was the whole Melissandre scene all about?
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Stannis was the biggest BAMF in the Blackwater episode, never forget!
On an unrelated note I've avoided Youtube comments since the series began like they were the plague to avoid spoilers only to be spoiled this season by the title of a vod on it's sidebar, nothing is sacred friends T_T
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On May 19 2014 18:27 zatic wrote:Show nested quote +On May 19 2014 18:12 sc2holar wrote:On May 19 2014 17:54 zatic wrote:
So, there is nothing that suggests he is blocking the food supply?
He got the Reach support through his lover who convinced his father Mace - the only person in the show portrait as even more incompetent than Renly.
Loras might ask about Robb, but that only says that Loras is not quite as dumb. It says nothing about Renly. And besides that, as everyone in the show knows Robb HAS been fighting the Lannisters throughout the entire war. If anything Renly would NOT want Robb to march on King's Landing but to tie up the Lannisters in the Riverlands - which is exactly what happened anyway.
There is plenty of backup he was incompetent and just sitting around. Catelyn: "My son is out fighting a war, not playing at one" (something like that). Lady Olenna gives a whole rant about how dumb her son, Loras, and Renly were, and that they had "no business playing at war". Again, we have statements from Ned, Catelyn, Jaimie, Stannis, Davos, Olenna all saying that Renly was incompetent. Against all that it's pretty ridiculous to make him out as a "brilliant strategist".
You got it all wrong. As Renly replies to catelyn, his war has just begun. He was awaiting his meeting with Stannis and simply had to wait another day before starting his march thowards Kings Landing. Ned, Stannis, Davos and Olenna never said anything wich suggested that Renly was incompetent. Ned, Stannis and Davos opposed him because his place in the line of sucession. Olenna simply wanted to stay out of the war altogheter, but mace saw his chance to make Margaery Queen. Jaime was a kingsguard and did probably not know Renly very well personally, and how many times have you heard him say a kind word about anyone except for barristan selmy whom he squired for? I suggest you really rewatch the episodes. The Reach is the most fertile lands in westeros, and considering the geography of Westeros, Having control over the Reach, Stormlands and with the Riverlands being on fire (thanks to the Lannisters) you have Kings Landing almost completley cut off from the rest of the realm, wich means no food. Again, how would someone so "incompetent" manage to forsee cerseis actions and flee the capital the night before Joffrey took over and then proceed to raise the largest host out of all the "Kings"? Again, his deal with the Starks showed that he had a good understanding of politics and how the realm has to function. You got it all wrong. His war started months ago, and he was sitting around. Nothing in the show gives us reason to believe there is any strategy to that. And if there was, it was as dumb as he is. His best action would have been to march on King's Landing while the Starks and the Lannisters are busy in the Riverlands.
Sitting around? did you miss the part about them being on the march and living in military tents? and the fact that he had set up a camp near the coast awaiting stannis arrival wich was obviously important for the negotiation attempt ("tommorow i will defeat my brother on the field, then i will march straight to the capital" -Renlys final words i believe)
And you miss the point about loras question. He asked if rob had marched on TYWIN lannister yet, wich he had not. Rob marched against Jaime who was leading the attack on Riverrun. Tywin gave Jamie a big chunk of the westerlands host "to bring it to catelyn starks girlhood home" and then they split up, remember?
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The scene where LF kissed Sansa was so creepy but so good. I always felt that LF was really creepy when it came to Sansa. And during his speech he made me feel like he saw himself as her father just for a second. And then BAM, kiss the girl and culminate all the creepy I've felt.
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GETTIN' MOONDOORED!
Alright, I'm stoked for the battle between Clegane and Oberyn. Let's do this!
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WOHOOOOO. I wanted to kiss Sansa too 
Im happy what happened to Lysa lol. So..how is Littlefinger gonna explain to the people what happened to Lysa ? She tripped or something?
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On May 19 2014 19:41 shin_toss wrote:WOHOOOOO. I wanted to kiss Sansa too Im happy what happened to Lysa lol. So..how is Littlefinger gonna explain to the people what happened to Lysa ? She tripped or something?
idk for some reason i dont find sansa (the actor) attractive at all, like not in the slightest O_o there are so many, much more prettier women in GOT for me
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On May 19 2014 19:41 shin_toss wrote:WOHOOOOO. I wanted to kiss Sansa too Im happy what happened to Lysa lol. So..how is Littlefinger gonna explain to the people what happened to Lysa ? She tripped or something?
Nothing a well-placed banana peel can't fix. 'Look the evidence is still there!'
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I loved this epsiode.I knew what was comming yet i still felt so like "FUCK YEAH MF" during the entire thing.
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Sansa is the kind of girl that you need to force yourself on, to get any action. That, or dress up like a got damn fag and start feetworshipping.
I think Littlefinger and Sansa should be together, he has the balls to do what he likes with her. I wonder how long Sansa will still keep these silly songs in her head, and let go of these fairy tales and start accepting her situation.
Stannis ftw. What a BAMF. He carries himself so got damn good.
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