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On December 21 2016 23:20 Laurens wrote:
Quite liked the movie.
Whenever people complain about a lack of character development I just shrug. It's a sci-fi action movie, I've come for space battles and cool fighting moves, not character development. Lack of lightsabers is a shame but Donnie makes up for it.
I guess it won't come as a surprise that I don't rate the old trilogy as high as pretty much everyone else in the world.
As has already been said, a "good" movie has everything. Just space battles and cool fighting moves don't make a movie good, makes it decent at best (by the way, I don't really remember cool fighting moves).
Also, Star Wars (at least the old movies) always had a philosophical touch and the new movies kinda try to have it but I can't take that serious because there is no substance to it and just makes it silly. I just don't know what kind of movie they want to be.
When I want to watch a fun action movie I much prefer a movie like Fast & Furious. It has cool dudes like Vin and Dwayne, cars, babes, wiz khalifa music and it's action right from the beginning and I don't have to sit through 1 hour of boring shit.
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I actually didn't much care for the first Star Trek (and didn't see the second as a result), and while I enjoyed Guardians of the Galaxy while in the theatre, I feel like I am in a bit of a minority in that ultimately I have only a passing desire to rewatch it- I have never bothered to seek it out in the bargain bins (I found the villains the least compelling thing of that film.) But perhaps it is just because I am Star Wars fan through and through, but I have already rewatched Rogue One and will certainly buy it when prices go down (I buy nothing brand new but Lord of the Rings.)
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Almost all of the Marvel movies are watch once, enjoy, then forget. The only two exceptions I have found so far are the first Avengers movie and Captain America: Winter Soldier, which were both quite good and I've enjoyed each more than once.
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I like how split the opinions are on this. I personally really liked it, and thought 7 was pretty trash. Like, this was my favorite Star Wars movie. Of course it wasn't amazing (the first few minutes were some of the worst I've ever seen for a legitimate movie), but some of the main character were good, the action scenes on the beach were really nice, Vader felt menacing and Robot was probably one of the better comedy reliefs I've seen in a long, long time.
7.5/10
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The last scene with Vader was just pure badassery, I felt myself panicking in the theatre like I was a rebel soldier.
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I loved that desperation in that scene with the switch from help us, help us to there is no help for us, take it. By far my favourite scene of the entire film as it shows how monstrous Darth Vader is to a non-force user. Not only that, but I think it put to rest one of the most frustrating re-interpretations by fans to come out of the prequels: that Darth Vader is an old, crippled wash-up. Blah.
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On December 18 2016 11:57 Falling wrote:
I think that tower is a pretty deep cut from Lucas' very early drafts. He's always wanted a fortress surrounded by lava for his Vader or Vader analogue character..
Also, how about the bit about "The Force of Others" (also from the early drafts).
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There's a few things like that. The Star Wars story was originally framed as from the Journal of the Whills and if I'm not wrong Donnie and Wen? were referred to as Guardians of the Whills.
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So, a few things:
-In new lore can we communicate and change course in hyperspace freely? Also jumping not so perilous as before? + Show Spoiler +(I'd love if some minor character in a StarWarsStory gets vaporized just once because they decided calculations not so important.)
-Glad we got some Tarkin love. I always thought he was a cool character who shoulda been in the prequels. + Show Spoiler +Because his decision-making was strange, and I would have loved to see an explanation... like, if he commanded the Republic troops who fought with Anakin/Obi Wan (not clones because the Mandalorian enemy has the clones of course) and he was a brilliant commander, but was always frustrated with being impossibly outgunned. So in ANH he gets a Death Star and he's totally overwhelmed with the notion that he can just vaporize planets, which is why he doesn't launch fighters etc. None of that here, but it's obviously late in the story for that.
-Some silly plotholes, but of the allowable kind for a Star Wars movie.
-Liked the War Movie genre switch. + Show Spoiler +Would be cool to see other genre Star Wars movies... straight-up Western romance with a ride-into-the-sunset would be appreciated, for instance. Or perhaps political thriller with literally every character an Imperial officer? Han Solo movie could credibly be a caper film.
-Some actual subtext, which was a cool thing to see in Star Wars, though obviously out-of-genre for the primary films.
-Lethal stakes. + Show Spoiler +And don't give me this, "they're not in later movies, of course they die." Like, I thought they were gonna die, but because of the genre not their lack of later appearance. Star Wars galaxy is huge... they aren't obligated to kill every side character who doesn't appear in later movies. It's as silly as how after Ep 1 people were saying Naboo was gonna get blown up because we don't see it later. Uh...no. It's a random backwater planet. We just don't give a shit later.
-Generally good movie. Preferred this to Ep 7, though still think 4/5 are the best. I think this beats out 6 despite 6's awesome terminal sequence (this had a great ending too.).
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+ Show Spoiler +And don't give me this, "they're not in later movies, of course they die." Like, I thought they were gonna die, but because of the genre not their lack of later appearance. Star Wars galaxy is huge... they aren't obligated to kill every side character who doesn't appear in later movies. It's as silly as how after Ep 1 people were saying Naboo was gonna get blown up because we don't see it later. Uh...no. It's a random backwater planet. We just don't give a shit later.
Yeah that reason wasn't the reason I was hoping for it... or even genre reason. Going into movie, I thought it was the best story choice to end the film. + Show Spoiler +I thought it was single greatest opportunity to get the biggest kill count, but still have a movie that was tonally consistent with the rest, aka a happy ending. The happy ending comes from our knowledge of the Original Trilogy and from a meaningful death. They were victorious though not for themselves. (I'm thinking of some Lord of the Rings dialogue leading up to the final assault on the Black Gate from the books.) The huge death count gives greater weight to Episode IV- the mission of the droids and what it took to get that information. A victorious tragedy and a glorious death. This was the perfect moment and they did not hold back. I think it nicely parallels the Jedi philosophy of the Original Trilogy (the prequel Jedi philosophy is a mess)- surrendering to death rather than clinging to life, and the voluntary sacrifice of the view allows ultimate victory for the rest.
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I loved the movie. I think it's the best Star Wars since Empire Strikes Back.
+ Show Spoiler +My one gripe with the movie is Vader's costume looked weird. Like the neck was bulky or something and that choking on your asspirations pun didn't seem Vader esq either. Otherwise, friggin awesome movie!
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On December 22 2016 00:39 TerransHill wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2016 23:20 Laurens wrote:
Quite liked the movie.
Whenever people complain about a lack of character development I just shrug. It's a sci-fi action movie, I've come for space battles and cool fighting moves, not character development. Lack of lightsabers is a shame but Donnie makes up for it.
I guess it won't come as a surprise that I don't rate the old trilogy as high as pretty much everyone else in the world. As has already been said, a "good" movie has everything. Just space battles and cool fighting moves don't make a movie good, makes it decent at best (by the way, I don't really remember cool fighting moves). Also, Star Wars (at least the old movies) always had a philosophical touch and the new movies kinda try to have it but I can't take that serious because there is no substance to it and just makes it silly. I just don't know what kind of movie they want to be. When I want to watch a fun action movie I much prefer a movie like Fast & Furious. It has cool dudes like Vin and Dwayne, cars, babes, wiz khalifa music and it's action right from the beginning and I don't have to sit through 1 hour of boring shit.
I mean sure, if you completely overlook the fact that there's a rebellion that would prefer to do things peacefully but is forced into acts of force due to an overwhelming force that is more than willing to crush it. In any of the previous movies the rebellion is painted in an entirely different light. It's clean. Their missions have purpose. Here? + Show Spoiler +Informant's got a bad arm, gonna shoot him before the troopers get here so he doesn't squeal/is dead weight.
Hell, it even goes one step further with, paraphrasing, + Show Spoiler +"That's not order, that's terror." "We have to start somewhere."
On December 22 2016 04:26 Yoav wrote:So, a few things: -In new lore can we communicate and change course in hyperspace freely? Also jumping not so perilous as before? + Show Spoiler +(I'd love if some minor character in a StarWarsStory gets vaporized just once because they decided calculations not so important.) -Glad we got some Tarkin love. I always thought he was a cool character who shoulda been in the prequels. + Show Spoiler +Because his decision-making was strange, and I would have loved to see an explanation... like, if he commanded the Republic troops who fought with Anakin/Obi Wan (not clones because the Mandalorian enemy has the clones of course) and he was a brilliant commander, but was always frustrated with being impossibly outgunned. So in ANH he gets a Death Star and he's totally overwhelmed with the notion that he can just vaporize planets, which is why he doesn't launch fighters etc. None of that here, but it's obviously late in the story for that.
+ Show Spoiler +Atmo hyperspace was more a matter of necessity. Yeah, they could have slingshot themselves into hyperluminal death, but at the same time space if pretty empty, even in the SW galaxy. Besides, at least that way there was a chance. Not doing it means you get burried under tons of rubble so even if you survive the initial impact you aren't making it out alive anyway.
He felt no reason to send out the fighters in ANH because he wasn't aware of the design flaw. The Empire didn't know why the Rebels were going after the plans outside of the fact that they were the plans. This is shown by the fact that they didn't fix it in time or even appear to start fixing it. ANH even gives context to the whole situation that they don't send out the fighters because they don't think they need to. What is a few, one/two manned fighters compared to a planet killer?
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On December 22 2016 10:21 Gahlo wrote:
He felt no reason to send out the fighters in ANH because he wasn't aware of the design flaw. The Empire didn't know why the Rebels were going after the plans outside of the fact that they were the plans. This is shown by the fact that they didn't fix it in time or even appear to start fixing it. ANH even gives context to the whole situation that they don't send out the fighters because they don't think they need to. What is a few, one/two manned fighters compared to a planet killer?
Right, but even if you don't know the design flaw you still send out the fighters. Like, if the Spanish Armada attacked a Carrier Battle Group, they pose no real threat to anyone or anything belowdecks, but they're still gonna get strafed, shot, and torpedoed to hell.
Darth Vader got this, and deployed his personal squadron. But Tarkin was thickheaded about it, which implies a particular kind of arrogance.
And remember, they do actually figure out the plan belatedly... "We've analyzed their attack and there is a danger... do you want to evacuate?" "Evacuate? In our moment of triumph?"
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The Star Wars universe is just so fucking cool. I wish there were more modern video games that weren't FPS based about Star Wars. Maybe there are.
Star Wars is one of the few franchise's I would 100% gladly fall into and never want to come back. Only LotR and Harry Potter have made me want to *be* various characters/races/etc.
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On December 22 2016 11:52 Yoav wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2016 10:21 Gahlo wrote:
He felt no reason to send out the fighters in ANH because he wasn't aware of the design flaw. The Empire didn't know why the Rebels were going after the plans outside of the fact that they were the plans. This is shown by the fact that they didn't fix it in time or even appear to start fixing it. ANH even gives context to the whole situation that they don't send out the fighters because they don't think they need to. What is a few, one/two manned fighters compared to a planet killer? Right, but even if you don't know the design flaw you still send out the fighters. Like, if the Spanish Armada attacked a Carrier Battle Group, they pose no real threat to anyone or anything belowdecks, but they're still gonna get strafed, shot, and torpedoed to hell. Darth Vader got this, and deployed his personal squadron. But Tarkin was thickheaded about it, which implies a particular kind of arrogance. And remember, they do actually figure out the plan belatedly... "We've analyzed their attack and there is a danger... do you want to evacuate?" "Evacuate? In our moment of triumph?"
That's because Tarkin at that period of time is incredibly arrogant. He's one of the few people that's in good with the Emperor and Vader. That's the whole reason why he's able to just walk in and make a power play for command of the Death Star in the first place. + Show Spoiler +That's why Vader tells Krennic to sit the fuck down when he visits Vader on Mustafar(which is where that is, for people that put it together but were lacking confirmation.)
On December 22 2016 11:59 darthfoley wrote:
The Star Wars universe is just so fucking cool. I wish there were more modern video games that weren't FPS based about Star Wars. Maybe there are.
Star Wars is one of the few franchise's I would 100% gladly fall into and never want to come back. Only LotR and Harry Potter have made me want to *be* various characters/races/etc.
While not as good as it's predcessors and held back from AAA level production due to it being an MMO, the class stories in SWTOR are pretty decent, especially when you play other ones and see how events impact the other classes or characters that know each other end up in different places. I've heard the newer content is really nice aswell.
While dated, you'd be making a big mistake if you never played KOTORs 1 and 2(with the restoration patch) if you can stomach the D20 game style.
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On December 22 2016 03:30 Falling wrote:
I loved that desperation in that scene with the switch from help us, help us to there is no help for us, take it. By far my favourite scene of the entire film as it shows how monstrous Darth Vader is to a non-force user. Not only that, but I think it put to rest one of the most frustrating re-interpretations by fans to come out of the prequels: that Darth Vader is an old, crippled wash-up. Blah.
The Star Wars Rebels series also does some tremendous justice to Vader. Despite how badass Kanan and Ezra are compared with normal imperial troops, neither of them can do much besides run vs Darth Vader, his dark side power absolutely dwarfs theirs just as it would to any normal Jedi still alive after order 66.
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On December 22 2016 12:06 Vindicare605 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2016 03:30 Falling wrote:
I loved that desperation in that scene with the switch from help us, help us to there is no help for us, take it. By far my favourite scene of the entire film as it shows how monstrous Darth Vader is to a non-force user. Not only that, but I think it put to rest one of the most frustrating re-interpretations by fans to come out of the prequels: that Darth Vader is an old, crippled wash-up. Blah. The Star Wars Rebels series also does some tremendous justice to Vader. Despite how badass Kanan and Ezra are compared with normal imperial troops, neither of them can do much besides run vs Darth Vader, his dark side power absolutely dwarfs theirs just as it would to any normal Jedi still alive after order 66.
+ Show Spoiler +Speaking of Rebels, hearing them call for Hera in the rebel base and seeing the Ghost in the fight above Scariff was pretty dope.
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On December 22 2016 04:26 Yoav wrote:
So, a few things:
-In new lore can we communicate and change course in hyperspace freely?
When did this happen?
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On December 22 2016 13:00 kwizach wrote:Show nested quote +On December 22 2016 04:26 Yoav wrote:
So, a few things:
-In new lore can we communicate and change course in hyperspace freely? When did this happen?
Carth communicates with base and orders HK to change course to Edo.
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