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IshinShishi
Profile Joined April 2012
Japan6156 Posts
March 28 2013 09:01 GMT
#13621
ya, I thought madara would be an improved version of itachi, what a disappointment.
So... what that make you? Good? You're not good. You just know how to hide, how to lie
Proof.
Profile Joined August 2011
535 Posts
March 28 2013 09:25 GMT
#13622
I just want to see what the frikin 1000 hands are gonna do already. Where are the bitchslaps
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Raneth
Profile Joined December 2009
England527 Posts
March 28 2013 18:26 GMT
#13623
On March 28 2013 14:31 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 14:28 Zooper31 wrote:
On March 28 2013 13:41 Forikorder wrote:
On March 28 2013 13:38 Slardar wrote:
On March 28 2013 13:14 Forikorder wrote:
On March 28 2013 12:53 Slardar wrote:
Indeed, once he lost sway with his people he should have been done with. To leave that powerful of a wildcard just floating around is not solid politics. Anyway that's wonderful, they are bloody ninjas back in the day with little sense.

Only way I can justify Madara just flipping his shit randomly, would be crediting Tobirama's assessment instead of making up my own story. Stronger your eyes, the more batshit fucked you get. Done deal.

Kakashi is way stronger than Tsunade, no doubt in my mind. She does have a multitude of overpowered healing abilities though, so overall her usefulness is stronger. That doesn't correlate very well to 1 vs 1 confrontations though. Kakashi as next Hokage would have the story milked to profit until Naruto eventually becomes Hokage. Naruto becoming the next on the other hand, well then I can only assume the end is near.

Tsunade has the insta regeneration mark though and few people (if any) could take a punch from her

Tsunade is far stronger then Kakashi


That wasn't exactly a good rebuttal. How is she going to even punch the guy? Sharingenagans bro. Insta regen to die some more bro!? Why did you even reply if you have nothing to say? Thanks, I'm aware of what Tsunade is capable of, that doesn't reinforce anything you have to say. All you have to say is "I'm right, you're wrong". The thought is not well received or appreciated.

Now on the other hand, when she fought with Kabuto her melee capabilities looked sub-par. Doesn't matter how hard you hit, if you can never land a punch imo. Or she can just get sent to another dimension via Kamui or some other nonsense. Fans everywhere cried "Valve nerf pls".

ya lets compare someone to the most broken character in the manga and use that as an excuse to say shes weak...

noone can beat Obito in a one V one just because she cant doesnt mean shes weak


Since when was Kabuto the most brocken character in the manga thats Obito, Naruto, Sasuke if anything.

Who said anything about beating Obito 1v1?

She was fighting a weaker Kabuto but couldn't land a punch. Granted she was weaker too. If they both fought again, assuming they both grew equal amounts, Kabuto would just win again.

Pretty sure Kakashi could beat Tsunade 1v1. Avoid her melee attacks and Kamui her away while abusing Sharingan tracking and genjutsu.

sorry when you mentioned her getting kamuid i assume you were talking about Obito what was i thinking -.-

Kakashis Kamui is next to useless Tsunade would dodge it easy every time and he can only use it a couple times hed never get a chance plus Sharingan genjutsu has never worked on anyone important ever unless Itachi was the one using it so he wouldnt be able to use Sharingan to trick Tsunade Tsunade would jsut smash his face in

Tsunade is on the same level as Orochimaru and Jiraiya show her some respect

Never worked on anyone important? I guess I misremembered Danzo being killed by just that, my mistake.... Also, the original claim was that kakashi could take tsunade, not that tsunade was weak...
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Skullflower
Profile Joined July 2010
United States3779 Posts
March 28 2013 18:48 GMT
#13624
On March 28 2013 13:17 Alaric wrote:
Tsunade is from the First's bloodline, and that in itself is important enough politically/PR speaking, on top of being one of the Seinin (they approached Jiraya partly because of that) that she's a sensible choice as a representant and somebody who will interact with most politically high-rank outsiders.


At the same time Kakashi's father was one of the most powerful and feared shinobi of his time
The ruminations are mine, let the world be yours.
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6271 Posts
March 28 2013 19:13 GMT
#13625
On March 28 2013 18:01 IshinShishi wrote:
ya, I thought madara would be an improved version of itachi, what a disappointment.


He is, he has way more stamina, an EMS and a better susano'o. Dunno about his genjutsu though but in anything else Madara is simply better.
HeartOfTheSwarm
Profile Blog Joined November 2012
Niue585 Posts
March 28 2013 19:18 GMT
#13626
On March 29 2013 04:13 RvB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 18:01 IshinShishi wrote:
ya, I thought madara would be an improved version of itachi, what a disappointment.


He is, he has way more stamina, an EMS and a better susano'o. Dunno about his genjutsu though but in anything else Madara is simply better.


I think he thought about character. Itachi seems the only Uchiha who objective without emo love/hate shenanigans
"I do not join. I lead." - Queen of Blades
Scorcher2k
Profile Joined November 2009
United States802 Posts
March 28 2013 19:46 GMT
#13627
On March 29 2013 04:18 HeartOfTheSwarm wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 04:13 RvB wrote:
On March 28 2013 18:01 IshinShishi wrote:
ya, I thought madara would be an improved version of itachi, what a disappointment.


He is, he has way more stamina, an EMS and a better susano'o. Dunno about his genjutsu though but in anything else Madara is simply better.


I think he thought about character. Itachi seems the only Uchiha who objective without emo love/hate shenanigans

Itachi was simply the best character in this entire manga/anime imo. The small meetings that they had with him before the time jump were some of my favorite moments and were super epic.
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
March 28 2013 19:51 GMT
#13628
On March 28 2013 14:31 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 28 2013 14:28 Zooper31 wrote:
On March 28 2013 13:41 Forikorder wrote:
On March 28 2013 13:38 Slardar wrote:
On March 28 2013 13:14 Forikorder wrote:
On March 28 2013 12:53 Slardar wrote:
Indeed, once he lost sway with his people he should have been done with. To leave that powerful of a wildcard just floating around is not solid politics. Anyway that's wonderful, they are bloody ninjas back in the day with little sense.

Only way I can justify Madara just flipping his shit randomly, would be crediting Tobirama's assessment instead of making up my own story. Stronger your eyes, the more batshit fucked you get. Done deal.

Kakashi is way stronger than Tsunade, no doubt in my mind. She does have a multitude of overpowered healing abilities though, so overall her usefulness is stronger. That doesn't correlate very well to 1 vs 1 confrontations though. Kakashi as next Hokage would have the story milked to profit until Naruto eventually becomes Hokage. Naruto becoming the next on the other hand, well then I can only assume the end is near.

Tsunade has the insta regeneration mark though and few people (if any) could take a punch from her

Tsunade is far stronger then Kakashi


That wasn't exactly a good rebuttal. How is she going to even punch the guy? Sharingenagans bro. Insta regen to die some more bro!? Why did you even reply if you have nothing to say? Thanks, I'm aware of what Tsunade is capable of, that doesn't reinforce anything you have to say. All you have to say is "I'm right, you're wrong". The thought is not well received or appreciated.

Now on the other hand, when she fought with Kabuto her melee capabilities looked sub-par. Doesn't matter how hard you hit, if you can never land a punch imo. Or she can just get sent to another dimension via Kamui or some other nonsense. Fans everywhere cried "Valve nerf pls".

ya lets compare someone to the most broken character in the manga and use that as an excuse to say shes weak...

noone can beat Obito in a one V one just because she cant doesnt mean shes weak


Since when was Kabuto the most brocken character in the manga thats Obito, Naruto, Sasuke if anything.

Who said anything about beating Obito 1v1?

She was fighting a weaker Kabuto but couldn't land a punch. Granted she was weaker too. If they both fought again, assuming they both grew equal amounts, Kabuto would just win again.

Pretty sure Kakashi could beat Tsunade 1v1. Avoid her melee attacks and Kamui her away while abusing Sharingan tracking and genjutsu.

sorry when you mentioned her getting kamuid i assume you were talking about Obito what was i thinking -.-

Kakashis Kamui is next to useless Tsunade would dodge it easy every time and he can only use it a couple times hed never get a chance plus Sharingan genjutsu has never worked on anyone important ever unless Itachi was the one using it so he wouldnt be able to use Sharingan to trick Tsunade Tsunade would jsut smash his face in

Tsunade is on the same level as Orochimaru and Jiraiya show her some respect


Um no only super fast people can dodge Kamui. Tsunade has never shown any speed of any sort, she is NOT a combat specialist. Kakashi has the speed and the quick thinking to easily avoid close encounters and has a whole stack of tech he can draw upon to attack her from distance. She would probably last a while since she has stamina and healing but very little offensive potential. And that is assuming kakashi doesn't 1 shot her with Kamui.
Never Knows Best.
Bam Lee
Profile Joined June 2012
2336 Posts
March 28 2013 19:59 GMT
#13629
About this whole hokage thing:

I believe it is mostly about the reputation of their strength. They considered jiraiya/tsunade for the place of the 5th hokage simply because they were the former students of sarutobi. They were 2 of the 3 legendary ninjas of konoha(forgot how its called).

Well madara seems be quite mad. It might have been Tobirama who turned madara into this beast afterall. I am just curious how madara survived those 1000 bitchslaps of doom
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
March 29 2013 03:40 GMT
#13630
Never worked on anyone important? I guess I misremembered Danzo being killed by just that, my mistake.... Also, the original claim was that kakashi could take tsunade, not that tsunade was weak...


Sasuke managed to kill danzo like a dozen times without genjutsu the Genjutsu just made it happen a bit faster

if tsunade is weaker then Kakashi then that means shes weak, Kakashi isnt strong enough for people below him to be considered strong

Um no only super fast people can dodge Kamui. Tsunade has never shown any speed of any sort, she is NOT a combat specialist. Kakashi has the speed and the quick thinking to easily avoid close encounters and has a whole stack of tech he can draw upon to attack her from distance. She would probably last a while since she has stamina and healing but very little offensive potential. And that is assuming kakashi doesn't 1 shot her with Kamui.


since when is Diedaras clay bird super fast? Kakashi and NAruto could easily keep up with it by running and Deidara had ages to dodge the Kamui

your confusing kakashis Kamui with Obitos Kamui
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-29 03:51:57
March 29 2013 03:45 GMT
#13631
On March 29 2013 12:40 Forikorder wrote:
Show nested quote +
Never worked on anyone important? I guess I misremembered Danzo being killed by just that, my mistake.... Also, the original claim was that kakashi could take tsunade, not that tsunade was weak...


Sasuke managed to kill danzo like a dozen times without genjutsu the Genjutsu just made it happen a bit faster

if tsunade is weaker then Kakashi then that means shes weak, Kakashi isnt strong enough for people below him to be considered strong

Show nested quote +
Um no only super fast people can dodge Kamui. Tsunade has never shown any speed of any sort, she is NOT a combat specialist. Kakashi has the speed and the quick thinking to easily avoid close encounters and has a whole stack of tech he can draw upon to attack her from distance. She would probably last a while since she has stamina and healing but very little offensive potential. And that is assuming kakashi doesn't 1 shot her with Kamui.


since when is Diedaras clay bird super fast? Kakashi and NAruto could easily keep up with it by running and Deidara had ages to dodge the Kamui

your confusing kakashis Kamui with Obitos Kamui


That was when he 1st activated it, He was Eye hacking high speed projectiles like vs Pain and I think he Kamui'd some of the Susanoo arrows vs Sasuke.

He would win without Kamui. He is a combat specialist who has been called a genius strategist and is fast as hell. I am pretty sure people have stated he would be a monster if he wasn't so weak in the Chakra/overall stamina department.

Tsunade isn't focused on fighting she is a primary support/medical type (who also has solid combat skills) Her only major threat is basically her strength but she wouldn't be able to land a punch (assuming 1 hit = KO she would still be at a disadvantage) She also doesn't have any God like tech for offense or to protect herself so Kakashi's 1000 techniques would be effective here. Her primary talent is her amazing healing for herself and everyone around her. He only chance of winning is to basically take a large chunk of dmg and heal to the point that Kakashi doesn't have chakra. Then she still has to contend with his superior taijutzu. She has the strength in that area but he has the speed and much better technique at it.
Never Knows Best.
Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
March 29 2013 03:57 GMT
#13632
That was when he 1st activated it, He was Eye hacking high speed projectiles like vs Pain and I think he Kamui'd some of the Susanoo arrows vs Sasuke.

He would win without Kamui. He is a combat specialist who has been called a genius strategist and is fast as hell. I am pretty sure people have stated he would be a monster if he wasn't so weak in the Chakra/overall stamina department.

but Tsunade is one the 3 legendary Sannin thats nothing to scoff at

if the elders thought that Kakashi was on the level of the Sannin they wouldnt ahve gone through so much trouble and jsut nominated him the start

Tsunade isn't focused on fighting she is a primary support/medical type (who also has solid combat skills) Her only major threat is basically her strength but she wouldn't be able to land a punch (assuming 1 hit = KO she would still be at a disadvantage) She also doesn't have any God like tech for offense or to protect herself so Kakashi's 1000 techniques would be effective here. Her primary talent is her amazing healing for herself and everyone around her. He only chance of winning is to basically take a large chunk of dmg and heal to the point that Kakashi doesn't have chakra. Then she still has to contend with his superior taijutzu. She has the strength in that area but he has the speed and much better technique at it.


i disagree with yuor assesment, Tsunade trained Sakura in avoiding attacks primarily to prevent getting hurt, between her regeneration and dodging i dont think Kakashi would be able to take her down hed have the upper hand at the start but shed wear him down fast enough
ImDrizzt
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Norway427 Posts
March 29 2013 03:59 GMT
#13633

I wonder, if Gai dies, will Kakashi awaken Rinnegan?
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husniack
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
203 Posts
March 29 2013 04:08 GMT
#13634
On March 29 2013 12:59 ImDrizzt wrote:

I wonder, if Gai dies, will Kakashi awaken Rinnegan?


rofl.
Slaughter
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
United States20254 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-03-29 04:10:54
March 29 2013 04:10 GMT
#13635
On March 29 2013 12:57 Forikorder wrote:
That was when he 1st activated it, He was Eye hacking high speed projectiles like vs Pain and I think he Kamui'd some of the Susanoo arrows vs Sasuke.

He would win without Kamui. He is a combat specialist who has been called a genius strategist and is fast as hell. I am pretty sure people have stated he would be a monster if he wasn't so weak in the Chakra/overall stamina department.

but Tsunade is one the 3 legendary Sannin thats nothing to scoff at

if the elders thought that Kakashi was on the level of the Sannin they wouldnt ahve gone through so much trouble and jsut nominated him the start

Show nested quote +
Tsunade isn't focused on fighting she is a primary support/medical type (who also has solid combat skills) Her only major threat is basically her strength but she wouldn't be able to land a punch (assuming 1 hit = KO she would still be at a disadvantage) She also doesn't have any God like tech for offense or to protect herself so Kakashi's 1000 techniques would be effective here. Her primary talent is her amazing healing for herself and everyone around her. He only chance of winning is to basically take a large chunk of dmg and heal to the point that Kakashi doesn't have chakra. Then she still has to contend with his superior taijutzu. She has the strength in that area but he has the speed and much better technique at it.


i disagree with yuor assesment, Tsunade trained Sakura in avoiding attacks primarily to prevent getting hurt, between her regeneration and dodging i dont think Kakashi would be able to take her down hed have the upper hand at the start but shed wear him down fast enough


They wanted name recognition, thats why they went for Jiraya. He specifically guided them to nominate her. I would have to check but I think around that time his Kakashi's came up and he was like "no way".

I agree that she did teach Sakura to avoid damage because they are both Medical and therefore are vital. Again here I want to know what kind of potential offense she could ever muster. She was outclassed in the fight Her + Jiraya + Naruto vs Oro and Kabuto. In that fight Oro didn't have his arms and Kabuto was far from being what he is now.

Imo she is Sannin because she is the top of the top in the medical ninjutzu not because she has impressive fighting capabilities.
Never Knows Best.
BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
March 29 2013 04:14 GMT
#13636
On March 29 2013 12:59 ImDrizzt wrote:

I wonder, if Gai dies, will Kakashi awaken Rinnegan?


He's not a senju.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
Proof.
Profile Joined August 2011
535 Posts
March 29 2013 04:29 GMT
#13637
On March 29 2013 13:14 BlackPaladin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 12:59 ImDrizzt wrote:

I wonder, if Gai dies, will Kakashi awaken Rinnegan?


He's not a senju.

You have to be a senju to awaken Rinnegan? I thought Madara originally awakened the only Rinnegan we know in the present.
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Forikorder
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada8840 Posts
March 29 2013 04:33 GMT
#13638
On March 29 2013 13:10 Slaughter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 12:57 Forikorder wrote:
That was when he 1st activated it, He was Eye hacking high speed projectiles like vs Pain and I think he Kamui'd some of the Susanoo arrows vs Sasuke.

He would win without Kamui. He is a combat specialist who has been called a genius strategist and is fast as hell. I am pretty sure people have stated he would be a monster if he wasn't so weak in the Chakra/overall stamina department.

but Tsunade is one the 3 legendary Sannin thats nothing to scoff at

if the elders thought that Kakashi was on the level of the Sannin they wouldnt ahve gone through so much trouble and jsut nominated him the start

Tsunade isn't focused on fighting she is a primary support/medical type (who also has solid combat skills) Her only major threat is basically her strength but she wouldn't be able to land a punch (assuming 1 hit = KO she would still be at a disadvantage) She also doesn't have any God like tech for offense or to protect herself so Kakashi's 1000 techniques would be effective here. Her primary talent is her amazing healing for herself and everyone around her. He only chance of winning is to basically take a large chunk of dmg and heal to the point that Kakashi doesn't have chakra. Then she still has to contend with his superior taijutzu. She has the strength in that area but he has the speed and much better technique at it.


i disagree with yuor assesment, Tsunade trained Sakura in avoiding attacks primarily to prevent getting hurt, between her regeneration and dodging i dont think Kakashi would be able to take her down hed have the upper hand at the start but shed wear him down fast enough


They wanted name recognition, thats why they went for Jiraya. He specifically guided them to nominate her. I would have to check but I think around that time his Kakashi's came up and he was like "no way".

I agree that she did teach Sakura to avoid damage because they are both Medical and therefore are vital. Again here I want to know what kind of potential offense she could ever muster. She was outclassed in the fight Her + Jiraya + Naruto vs Oro and Kabuto. In that fight Oro didn't have his arms and Kabuto was far from being what he is now.

Imo she is Sannin because she is the top of the top in the medical ninjutzu not because she has impressive fighting capabilities.

Oro said that the Kabuto of then was as strong as Kakashi so its a good comparison
DODswe4
Profile Joined July 2011
Sweden2157 Posts
March 29 2013 04:35 GMT
#13639
On March 29 2013 13:29 Proof. wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 13:14 BlackPaladin wrote:
On March 29 2013 12:59 ImDrizzt wrote:

I wonder, if Gai dies, will Kakashi awaken Rinnegan?


He's not a senju.

You have to be a senju to awaken Rinnegan? I thought Madara originally awakened the only Rinnegan we know in the present.


you need to have senju dna and a sharingan. Madara managed to achieve that before he died. And hes Edo-tensei have Hasirama on hes chest so.... yeah
Proof.
Profile Joined August 2011
535 Posts
March 29 2013 05:19 GMT
#13640
On March 29 2013 13:35 DODswe4 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 29 2013 13:29 Proof. wrote:
On March 29 2013 13:14 BlackPaladin wrote:
On March 29 2013 12:59 ImDrizzt wrote:

I wonder, if Gai dies, will Kakashi awaken Rinnegan?


He's not a senju.

You have to be a senju to awaken Rinnegan? I thought Madara originally awakened the only Rinnegan we know in the present.


you need to have senju dna and a sharingan. Madara managed to achieve that before he died. And hes Edo-tensei have Hasirama on hes chest so.... yeah

Ah I see, thanks for that !
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