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bo1b
Profile Blog Joined August 2012
Australia12814 Posts
February 20 2013 11:30 GMT
#13301
On February 20 2013 20:27 Dakkas wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2013 19:36 NovemberstOrm wrote:
On February 20 2013 12:30 Dakkas wrote:
On February 20 2013 09:45 Dark_Chill wrote:
On February 14 2013 15:12 Dakkas wrote:
On February 14 2013 15:06 Dark_Chill wrote:
Kind of an unrelated question, but I was rereading zabuza arc... are they ever going to do anything about jutsu with 1 hand, or even none? Haku was supposed to be a genius because of it, but it hasn't been mentioned since.

Back to the present. How are the old ninja so damn strong? You'd think that with each new generation, they'd be getting stronger (developing/improving techniques). I thought the Raikage (probably prime of his life) was strong, but the kage before him in addition to all the hokage seem to overshadow him. For comparison's sake:
Sasuke faced the Raikage head on, almost killed him (maybe, damn you Gaara). Sasuke has a heart attack the instant The Second getting pissed off.
I don't think Sasuke (or anyone else) is needed to stop Madara. Just send the first second and third in there. If I remember correctly, the Third was stronger than the first in his prime, so with infinite chakra he should be pretty strong even in his state.


The Third was never stronger than the First. You're simply falling in the most common pitfall for Shounen, Hype and Feats/Capabilities. Hiruzen is almost entirely all hype, with little impressive showings because of his age. The First is a combination of both hype and feats


(Hiruzen was one of the most powerful shinobi in history, so much so that he was admired as the God of Shinobi (忍の神, Shinobi no Kami) in his prime, and was said to be the strongest Hokage that Konoha has ever had.)
-Taken from the wiki
But yeah, it is rather pointless to think about power levels when things are as they are right now.


Did you even read what I said? While I don't doubt Prime Hiruzen is one of the strongest, the only manga evidence of this is hype from Iruka. His greatest feat is redirecting Kyuubi's bijuudamas and using Edo Tensei on 1st/2nd/Orochimaru's arms, both are impressive however that's not enough to prove that he's the strongest Hokage.


I think you are confused. Hiruzen could never use Edo Tensei he got rid of Orochimaru's arms using the http://naruto.wikia.com/wiki/Dead_Demon_Consuming_Seal he did the same with the resurrected 1st and 2nd hokage(they were not at all near full power as edo tensei was still not perfected) using his clones.


I've corrected my mistake on the previous page

No! You're wrong!
hasuterrans
Profile Joined April 2009
United States614 Posts
February 20 2013 11:49 GMT
#13302
Of course we cannot have an uninterrupted Madara vs. Hashirama without a pointless flashback.
Zinnwaldite
Profile Joined August 2010
Norway1567 Posts
February 20 2013 12:15 GMT
#13303
Hah,, so madara was just a sore loser? Whaaah,, can't skip stones far enough, so i have to destroy the village!!.. Typical Uchiha behavior ..
We promise with a view to hope, but the reason to "accomplish" what we promised would be fear.
Eisregen
Profile Joined September 2011
Germany967 Posts
February 20 2013 12:29 GMT
#13304
yay...I expect 5 chapters at least with superdupersuper flashbacks...yay
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mRpolite
Profile Joined March 2012
189 Posts
February 20 2013 12:41 GMT
#13305
i knew there was gonna be some kyuubi and sosano synergy,
and it was only a call for hashirama to get serious
damn what a monster
Zane
Profile Joined January 2011
Romania3916 Posts
February 20 2013 12:51 GMT
#13306
On February 20 2013 21:15 Zinnwaldite wrote:
Hah,, so madara was just a sore loser? Whaaah,, can't skip stones far enough, so i have to destroy the village!!.. Typical Uchiha behavior ..

Still more rational than Obito.
Dosey
Profile Joined September 2010
United States4505 Posts
February 20 2013 13:10 GMT
#13307
Hey look! Hashi is really Netero from HxH!

Also, a flashback within a flashback, some srs flashception.
Sumahi
Profile Blog Joined January 2012
Guam5609 Posts
February 20 2013 13:14 GMT
#13308
Always nice to see Shinobi Gods battle it out. I'm still amazed to see the First Hokage in action.
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Topin
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Peru10080 Posts
February 20 2013 13:21 GMT
#13309
wow that jutsu reminded me Neteros from HxH
i would define my style between a mix of ByuN, Maru and MKP
Primal666
Profile Joined November 2010
Slovenia418 Posts
February 20 2013 13:28 GMT
#13310
What a god awful storyteller Hashirama is, he's like " then we both had stuff summoned, THEN I BEAT HIM IN SKIPPING STONES THAT ONE TIME LOL"
Hyperbola
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2539 Posts
February 20 2013 14:05 GMT
#13311
As I recall it, Kakashi once said that you're born with the amount of charka you're stuck with. So I guess everyone in the past had godly charka pools where they could create giant gates and summon Buddha on a whim. Isn't the new generation > old generation theme supposed to be a big thing in Naruto?
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adiga
Profile Joined July 2011
495 Posts
February 20 2013 14:09 GMT
#13312
On February 20 2013 23:05 Hyperbola wrote:
As I recall it, Kakashi once said that you're born with the amount of charka you're stuck with. So I guess everyone in the past had godly charka pools where they could create giant gates and summon Buddha on a whim. Isn't the new generation > old generation theme supposed to be a big thing in Naruto?


Well that fits the character we all saw at the chapters before ^^
Hell it will be even more funnier if he will resume to tell about the battle right away
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Barbiero
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Brazil5259 Posts
February 20 2013 14:09 GMT
#13313
On February 20 2013 23:05 Hyperbola wrote:
As I recall it, Kakashi once said that you're born with the amount of charka you're stuck with. So I guess everyone in the past had godly charka pools where they could create giant gates and summon Buddha on a whim. Isn't the new generation > old generation theme supposed to be a big thing in Naruto?


tbh it's not like these summonings are impossible for naruto. Hashirama did use Sennin jutsu and Naruto is capable of using things with just the same or more power. For example, Fuuton: Rasenshuriken which is theoretically the strongest and most deadly jutsu of all, is exclusive to him - and he can throw 3? of them as a sennin.

These two fighting are the top of the top, of course they are so freaking strong.
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Hyperbola
Profile Blog Joined November 2008
United States2539 Posts
February 20 2013 14:50 GMT
#13314
On February 20 2013 23:09 Zephirdd wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2013 23:05 Hyperbola wrote:
As I recall it, Kakashi once said that you're born with the amount of charka you're stuck with. So I guess everyone in the past had godly charka pools where they could create giant gates and summon Buddha on a whim. Isn't the new generation > old generation theme supposed to be a big thing in Naruto?


tbh it's not like these summonings are impossible for naruto. Hashirama did use Sennin jutsu and Naruto is capable of using things with just the same or more power. For example, Fuuton: Rasenshuriken which is theoretically the strongest and most deadly jutsu of all, is exclusive to him - and he can throw 3? of them as a sennin.

These two fighting are the top of the top, of course they are so freaking strong.

But Naruto uses kuubi charka and sage mode. These guys just use their own pool. Even if Harishima went into some kind of sage mode at the end there, he was still spawning giant wooden beasts and rashumon just by himself. As I recall it, Kakashi can only use his lightning hand a few times and he's out. These guys can create apocalyptic jutsus and not bat an eyelash.
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BlackPaladin
Profile Joined May 2010
United States9316 Posts
February 20 2013 15:05 GMT
#13315
On February 20 2013 22:28 Primal666 wrote:
What a god awful storyteller Hashirama is, he's like " then we both had stuff summoned, THEN I BEAT HIM IN SKIPPING STONES THAT ONE TIME LOL"


Oh god my sides lolol

"Madara, enraged that hashi could throw stones farther, believing it was ashaming his clan, sacrificed his best friend and brother to obtain the ultimate power. Now he can summon the kyuubi to throw stuff for him, and it actually CAN reach the other side. Mwahahahahaha take that hashiiiii."

Then hashi will defeat him and madara will go "noooo my stone throwing is not enough!" and decide the world isn't fair so he will do the moon eye plan.
"Your full potential does not matter if you do not use all 100% of it."
RvB
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Netherlands6221 Posts
February 20 2013 15:11 GMT
#13316
On February 20 2013 23:50 Hyperbola wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 20 2013 23:09 Zephirdd wrote:
On February 20 2013 23:05 Hyperbola wrote:
As I recall it, Kakashi once said that you're born with the amount of charka you're stuck with. So I guess everyone in the past had godly charka pools where they could create giant gates and summon Buddha on a whim. Isn't the new generation > old generation theme supposed to be a big thing in Naruto?


tbh it's not like these summonings are impossible for naruto. Hashirama did use Sennin jutsu and Naruto is capable of using things with just the same or more power. For example, Fuuton: Rasenshuriken which is theoretically the strongest and most deadly jutsu of all, is exclusive to him - and he can throw 3? of them as a sennin.

These two fighting are the top of the top, of course they are so freaking strong.

But Naruto uses kuubi charka and sage mode. These guys just use their own pool. Even if Harishima went into some kind of sage mode at the end there, he was still spawning giant wooden beasts and rashumon just by himself. As I recall it, Kakashi can only use his lightning hand a few times and he's out. These guys can create apocalyptic jutsus and not bat an eyelash.


Yes but these 2 guys are probably the 2 strongest since rikudo sennin and are only going to be surpassed by Naruto and Sasuke. From all the 1000's of shinobi who have lived only 5 and possibly RS's sons are ever going to reach this level so in that sense it's not surprising they're this strong.
Zeo1990
Profile Joined October 2011
United States132 Posts
February 20 2013 19:28 GMT
#13317
As overpowered as it looked. Susanoo-Armored 9-Tailes looked pretty damn badass. Wonder if that's a "preview" of what the 10 tails will be like as a 3rd transformation after it evolves again and somehow still needs power from Madara.

Also digging Hashirama's Hindu-type sage mode.
BigFan
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
TLADT24920 Posts
February 20 2013 20:47 GMT
#13318
Amazing chapter! lols at the flashback in a flashback XD Great to see that he is fleshing out Hashi and Madara'a story so that maybe we can get some answers. Anyone else see a resemblance to Naruto and Sasuke at valley of the end?
Former BW EiC"Watch Bakemonogatari or I will kill you." -Toad, April 18th, 2017
derpface
Profile Joined October 2012
Sweden925 Posts
February 20 2013 20:55 GMT
#13319
Hashi going HxH Netero
gg no re #_< no1 Hydra and Leta fan >_#
Courthead
Profile Joined October 2006
United States246 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-02-20 21:09:31
February 20 2013 21:02 GMT
#13320
Lol it's not a backstory of a backstory. It's Hashirama explaining the past to Sasuke from the very beginning, and Kishi just decided to be creative and sandwich that explanation between glimpses of their final fight. So it will likely be: (1) showing the fight up until the point we saw, (2) showing the development of Madara Uchiha and his relationship from Hashirama from the beginning, (3) finishing up with the rest of the fight to show how Madara was defeated.

I'd be surprised if this whole story gets told in fewer than 4 chapters. Honestly, I'm expecting 10 or 11 chapters. We have to learn about:
  • Madara and Hashirama's relationship as kids.
  • How each of them came to lead the Uchiha and the Senju.
  • Madara's murder of his best friend, and his subsequent decision to take his brother's eyes.
  • The different clashes between the two leaders and their clans over the years, including whatever fight they were referencing in this chapter where Madara said, "I've changed since then."
  • Peace and the formation of Konoha.
  • Madara leaving the village.
  • Whatever lead directly to this fight.
  • Hashirama somehow tying all this shit together into an explanation of what ninja are to Sasuke.

Hell, that story could be an entire manga that spans longer than Naruto has so far.
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