EPT[Manga] Naruto - Page 398
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StorkHwaiting
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Wrathsc2
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biology]major
United States2253 Posts
On February 16 2012 12:03 radiantshadow92 wrote: Anyone who states that naruto was given just as much as sasuke is a fool. He's the one that taught himself the shadow clone jutsu. He taught himself rasengan, the wind rasengan, and even sage mode. All of which his previous masters could never master. All sasuke has ever learned himself is the chidori and the the lightning attack *plus good swordmanship*. However, it all paled in comparison to bee and any opponents he faced. Hes always had to rely on amaterasu and susano to get shit done. When was the last time he even did a chidori? All in all sasuke is retarded. not like naruto got carried by the 9 tails or anything | ||
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On February 16 2012 12:03 radiantshadow92 wrote: Anyone who states that naruto was given just as much as sasuke is a fool. He's the one that taught himself the shadow clone jutsu. He taught himself rasengan, the wind rasengan, and even sage mode. All of which his previous masters could never master. All sasuke has ever learned himself is the chidori and the the lightning attack *plus good swordmanship*. However, it all paled in comparison to bee and any opponents he faced. Hes always had to rely on amaterasu and susano to get shit done. When was the last time he even did a chidori? All in all sasuke is retarded. Huh? Nobody else could master kage bushin? Jiraiya didn't master sage mode? Also, I don't know what exactly you mean by "teach himself" but Naruto definitely didn't invent most of his techniques. He learned kage bunshin from a scroll. He learned how to use his wind element from sandaime's son. Sage mode was taught to him by Jiraiya and the frogs. Just recently, Bee is the one who taught him how to connect with his tailed beast. I don't know wth you're talking about, but Naruto's come up with like two techniques on his own: Harem no Jutsu and Rasen Shuriken. That's it. Everything else has been taught to him. Meanwhile, Sasuke has Sharingan. He can instantly learn any technique he sees. So.... uh.... when you can learn everything instantly, it kind of doesn't matter who taught it to you. The fact you learn it instantly is already bad ass enough. A list of things Naruto's been given: THE NINE TAILED FOX Kage Bunshin Toad Summon Rasengan Sage Mode Fox-form So... like I said before. All Naruto's come up with on his own is Harem no Jutsu and Rasen Shuriken. Edit: Also, you say Sasuke's done nothing lately but rely on Susanoo and Amaterasu. What a fag right? Okay, let's see who Sasuke's been fighting lately: Itachi The Five Kages Tobi The Hokage Yes, what a weak lineup of opponents. Sasuke should have been able to take out these guys with ease using Chidori, a move he learned as a way to pass the Chuunin exam. God, why is that guy such a loser?! | ||
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.Mystic
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nodnod
New Zealand172 Posts
On February 16 2012 12:03 radiantshadow92 wrote: Anyone who states that naruto was given just as much as sasuke is a fool. He's the one that taught himself the shadow clone jutsu. He taught himself rasengan, the wind rasengan, and even sage mode. All of which his previous masters could never master. All sasuke has ever learned himself is the chidori and the the lightning attack *plus good swordmanship*. However, it all paled in comparison to bee and any opponents he faced. Hes always had to rely on amaterasu and susano to get shit done. When was the last time he even did a chidori? All in all sasuke is retarded. I think it'd be more correct to say that Naruto found 'work around' to many of the techniques he learned because he lacks Sasuke's bloodline ability. Hence many of his techniques, e.g., the sage mode, are not exactly identical to the forms that were taught to him by his masters. EDIT: I think one reason behind Sasuke not using much chidori anymore is to show that he's moving away from his old self and instead adopting the whole revenge-for-my-bro persona. | ||
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ticklishmusic
United States15977 Posts
Naruto, y u so badass? | ||
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Zooper31
United States5714 Posts
On February 16 2012 12:19 NMx.StyX wrote: where is the new chapter?! zz Mangabit and mangareader both have it up. | ||
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InFdude
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chip789
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Zvenn3n
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On February 16 2012 12:12 StorkHwaiting wrote: Jiraiya didn't master sage mode? Yep, that's right. remember that he had to rely on master toad (forgot his name) and his wife for it, as well as getting warts & all-in-all a more toad-like appearance. This points toward Jiraiya not having mastered Sage Mode, imho. | ||
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ETisME
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On February 16 2012 20:47 Zvenn3n wrote: Yep, that's right. remember that he had to rely on master toad (forgot his name) and his wife for it, as well as getting warts & all-in-all a more toad-like appearance. This points toward Jiraiya not having mastered Sage Mode, imho. would love the ending to be: Sasuke copies sage mode, tries it, fails and becomes a rock frog forever. | ||
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Warfie
Norway2849 Posts
On February 16 2012 21:21 ETisME wrote: would love the ending to be: Sasuke copies sage mode, tries it, fails and becomes a rock frog forever. Oh god, lol. "Don't worry Sasuke, you'll still always be with me.. on a shelf above my fireplace." | ||
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ddrddrddrddr
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lagmaster
United States374 Posts
That being said, being born with sharingan doesn't mean you are already an op ninja. Itachi and Sasuke were supposed to be significantly more skilled than the rest of their clan. They did this by working hard to master their skills. They don't have to work as hard as Rock Lee, but Sasuke can't just sit on his ass all day and hope that one day he'll be able to use Susano. The same argument applies to Naruto. The demon fox is supposed to be this unruly beast who despises living inside Naruto and wants to break free. When Naruto is exhibiting demon fox powers, he's also in a contest of wills with the demon fox. If Naruto didn't fight the demon fox in willpower each time he starts leaking red chakra, then the fox would be free now and probably tentacle raping kages left and right. Did Naruto and Sasuke work as hard as Rock Lee to attain the same level? No. Did Naruto and Sasuke work harder than say Chouji, Ino and the other largely unimportant minor characters? Yes! If Ino and Chouji and the rest were to work as hard as Sasuke and Naruto would they be equal in power? No. Naruto and Sasuke have the benefit of both working hard and being naturally strong (through eyes, demon foxes and high amounts of chakra from parents). A professional athlete is someone who is both genetically gifted and a hard worker. If Naruto and Sasuke were to sit around and eat ramen all day, they wouldn't be two of the most powerful ninja in the manga right now. Edit: Things like mangekyo sharingan, sage mode, rasengan etc. are not "given" to the characters. Just because you have a teacher helping you to learn it, doesn't mean you acquire the skill/ability without putting forth any effort. I can't take a class in physics, give a half ass effort and then claim that i'm now a master physicist. Yes Naruto and Sasuke were given advantages in learning those skills, but they still had to put forth the time and effort into learning it. | ||
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bgx
Poland6595 Posts
On February 16 2012 22:53 lagmaster wrote: The only ninja we have seen so far in the manga that truly exemplifies hard work without the benefit of good genes, special eyes or demon foxes is Rock Lee. That being said, being born with sharingan doesn't mean you are already an op ninja. Itachi and Sasuke were supposed to be significantly more skilled than the rest of their clan. They did this by working hard to master their skills. They don't have to work as hard as Rock Lee, but Sasuke can't just sit on his ass all day and hope that one day he'll be able to use Susano. The same argument applies to Naruto. The demon fox is supposed to be this unruly beast who despises living inside Naruto and wants to break free. When Naruto is exhibiting demon fox powers, he's also in a contest of wills with the demon fox. If Naruto didn't fight the demon fox in willpower each time he starts leaking red chakra, then the fox would be free now and probably tentacle raping kages left and right. Did Naruto and Sasuke work as hard as Rock Lee to attain the same level? No. Did Naruto and Sasuke work harder than say Chouji, Ino and the other largely unimportant minor characters? Yes! If Ino and Chouji and the rest were to work as hard as Sasuke and Naruto would they be equal in power? No. Naruto and Sasuke have the benefit of both working hard and being naturally strong (through eyes, demon foxes and high amounts of chakra from parents). A professional athlete is someone who is both genetically gifted and a hard worker. If Naruto and Sasuke were to sit around and eat ramen all day, they wouldn't be two of the most powerful ninja in the manga right now. Edit: Things like mangekyo sharingan, sage mode, rasengan etc. are not "given" to the characters. Just because you have a teacher helping you to learn it, doesn't mean you acquire the skill/ability without putting forth any effort. I can't take a class in physics, give a half ass effort and then claim that i'm now a master physicist. Yes Naruto and Sasuke were given advantages in learning those skills, but they still had to put forth the time and effort into learning it. Kishimoto was inconsistant in almost every possible matter throughout the manga, to the point i stopped caring 2 years ago. It was also very evident when he was rushing arcs and when he changed his ideas midway the manga. Every character in manga is used as stepping stone for either Naruto or Sasuke, so Kishi can have his "justified" power-up trigger for them, most of it is out of ass power-ups, if u followed databooks and other side stuff, you would notice that naruto and sasuke has the most weird power growth patterns compared to other notable Ninjas. Ironically Naruto is in fact the most gifted character in the manga maybe excluding Sage of the 6paths. In the first half of the manga he used his "damn Kyuubi" to escape any problem in the second half he was already progressing with weird power ups or he achieved what his father (the most hyped ninja in the universe) could not. Nail to the coffin is this war arc. Kishimoto botched dozen of characters, and he is STILL trolling Kakashi, one of few good characters (and back to back fan vote winner). If the manga stayed in the area of "less epic", more mature part1 and didnt try to give us "WORLD WILL BE MINE" villain (Tobi), would be much more enjoyable. Orochimaru was far better than any other villain he added later. Shounens are just not good for depicting a great rivalry ; , something like Vagabond on the other hand... | ||
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Protossking
Australia103 Posts
On February 16 2012 23:26 bgx wrote: Kishimoto was inconsistant in almost every possible matter throughout the manga, to the point i stopped caring 2 years ago. It was also very evident when he was rushing arcs and when he changed his ideas midway the manga. Every character in manga is used as stepping stone for either Naruto or Sasuke, so Kishi can have his "justified" power-up trigger for them, most of it is out of ass power-ups, if u followed databooks and other side stuff, you would notice that naruto and sasuke has the most weird power growth patterns compared to other notable Ninjas. Ironically Naruto is in fact the most gifted character in the manga maybe excluding Sage of the 6paths. In the first half of the manga he used his "damn Kyuubi" to escape any problem in the second half he was already progressing with weird power ups or he achieved what his father (the most hyped ninja in the universe) could not. Nail to the coffin is this war arc. Kishimoto botched dozen of characters, and he is STILL trolling Kakashi, one of few good characters (and back to back fan vote winner). If the manga stayed in the area of "less epic", more mature part1 and didnt try to give us "WORLD WILL BE MINE" villain (Tobi), would be much more enjoyable. Orochimaru was far better than any other villain he added later. Shounens are just not good for depicting a great rivalry ; , something like Vagabond on the other hand... The original naruto was a complete and utter copy of Hunter X Hunter, this is gospel, do not deny it. This is why the plot has so many holes once it has nothing else to copy. Let me give some examples of how it's a copy: - Uchiha clan is destroyed by itachi, all kuruta tribe is destroyed by gen'ei ryodan. Sasuke has red eyes, as does Kurapiricka and both are seeking "revenge". - Akatsuki = gen'ei ryodan - Kakashi = Killua, both of them use electricity and have white hair. - The Ninja exam to become a Chunnin and the Hunter X Hunter exam to become a Hunter have huge similarities. The forest of "death" is the exact same thing as the Hunter X Hunter 4th exam, where participants steal each others "tags" (in naruto they are scrolls). Naruto and Sasuke encounter Orichimaru in the exam, Gon, Kurapiricka and Leorio encounter Hisoka who acts a very similar role. - Gon's father is EXTREMELY strong but Gon has never met him, likewise with Naruto's (except he is dead). - Tonpa is Hunter X Hunter is basically Kabuto, they both have stats on all the participants. They both introduce the main characters to the exam. - Zushi's eyebrows, ending sentences with the same dialogue and relationship with his master - rock lee and gai seems to be a more comedic version of those two. - Gon uses Rasengan (albeit a different name). Way to even copy a technique. How, original... The list literally goes on forever... discuss. | ||
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kurrysauce
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On February 16 2012 20:47 Zvenn3n wrote: Yep, that's right. remember that he had to rely on master toad (forgot his name) and his wife for it, as well as getting warts & all-in-all a more toad-like appearance. This points toward Jiraiya not having mastered Sage Mode, imho. IIRC the only reason he relied on the toads to get into sage mode is because to absorb "nature chakra" and get into sage mode you have to be perfectly still . Which naruto overcame by his kagebunshins while jiraiya relied on the toads. However you do have a point with the jiraiya having more of a toad like appearance. | ||
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StorkHwaiting
United States3465 Posts
On February 17 2012 00:16 kurrysauce wrote: IIRC the only reason he relied on the toads to get into sage mode is because to absorb "nature chakra" and get into sage mode you have to be perfectly still . Which naruto overcame by his kagebunshins while jiraiya relied on the toads. However you do have a point with the jiraiya having more of a toad like appearance. Why is that a bad thing? He looked cool like that! Jiraiya's sage mode was way more bad ass. Naruto just uses his as a power up and extra chakra, which is lame. Jiraiya had all these toad based techniques with that crazy ass Toad stomach dimension and summoning like 4 battle toads at once. He had his crazy spine shooting thing, the grease vomit thing, tons of stuff. What does Naruto have? Jiraiya's toad mode way more bad ass. | ||
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Nuttyguy
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