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politik
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But pretty soon after, and he didn't have to sneak out to practice after hours. | ||
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
On June 09 2013 03:05 politik wrote: But pretty soon after, and he didn't have to sneak out to practice after hours. Are you implying that the fact that Rak works overtime in his quest for greatness makes him less competent? | ||
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aTnClouD
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politik
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On June 09 2013 03:13 Acritter wrote: Are you implying that the fact that Rak works overtime in his quest for greatness makes him less competent? The impression I get from ToG is that, in their world, talent almost always trumps hard work. | ||
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
On June 09 2013 04:08 politik wrote: The impression I get from ToG is that, in their world, talent almost always trumps hard work. Well, at present, it's really just a mixture. When Baam only had talent and wasn't properly working with it, he was relatively ineffectual except when compared with the utterly talentless. He only became scary when he started working extremely hard for his skill. All the other formidable individuals are ones who admittedly have a solid amount of talent, but who also work like hell to maintain that strength. And, of course, our darling Koon has demonstrated time and time again how insufficient resources mobilized effectively can be surprisingly dangerous (and although his cunning is a talent, none can say he did not work to earn it). Overwhelming talent combined with moderate work does trump completely absent talent, but talent without work is worthless. | ||
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GhandiEAGLE
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PhoenixVoid
Canada32740 Posts
On June 09 2013 10:40 GhandiEAGLE wrote: OMG I honestly thought new chapter was out. GG, Bump baited me and outsmarted me Q_Q Silly you, it isn't Sunday yet, and SIU is on break. | ||
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DystopiaX
United States16236 Posts
On June 09 2013 10:36 Acritter wrote: Well, at present, it's really just a mixture. When Baam only had talent and wasn't properly working with it, he was relatively ineffectual except when compared with the utterly talentless. He only became scary when he started working extremely hard for his skill. All the other formidable individuals are ones who admittedly have a solid amount of talent, but who also work like hell to maintain that strength. And, of course, our darling Koon has demonstrated time and time again how insufficient resources mobilized effectively can be surprisingly dangerous (and although his cunning is a talent, none can say he did not work to earn it). Overwhelming talent combined with moderate work does trump completely absent talent, but talent without work is worthless. you could make an argument that it's all talent though. Androssi because she's a princess, Anak because she's decended from one, Baam because he's an irregular, even someone like LeeSoo because he's making it due to his smarts. | ||
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ProV1
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Frozenhelfire
United States420 Posts
On June 09 2013 11:07 DystopiaX wrote: you could make an argument that it's all talent though. Androssi because she's a princess, Anak because she's decended from one, Baam because he's an irregular, even someone like LeeSoo because he's making it due to his smarts. You could also make the argument that hard work plays a huge role, but isn't shown because training generally isn't that interesting. ToG is pretty much in a constant time skip so it is pretty safe to assume that there is a good amount of hard work going on. | ||
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DystopiaX
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
On June 09 2013 12:24 Frozenhelfire wrote: You could also make the argument that hard work plays a huge role, but isn't shown because training generally isn't that interesting. ToG is pretty much in a constant time skip so it is pretty safe to assume that there is a good amount of hard work going on. I would agree with this, because we do see little fragments of training here and there, like with Koon's practice regimen. And furthermore, an excellent mind isn't just something where you get it and that's all you need to do. Mental training is just as rewarding as physical training, as evidenced by the fact that we have education. People like Leesoo and Koon are born with gifts that others lack, yes, but work is needed to put those gifts to use. Androssi and Anak are definitely farther towards talent>training, though. The two of them are legendarily undisciplined, although Androssi would have had to put work in previously to get the rank of princess. Baam is more of the balance between talent and training, because has to work hard enough to carry his entire team (and even when he's put on a deliberately stacked team, he runs off to make sure they can get picked off one by one and he can have a proper unfair fight). EDIT: @above: totally. Especially with the numbers he provides on total Ranker count, it's made completely clear that there needs to be something special about you to reach the top of the tower. But at the same time, that's not enough by itself. If we're talking about that scene, something I really liked is the outright statement that luck plays a huge part. It's completely true, both in the story and in the real world, and it's nice to see it getting addressed directly. At the same time, though, it hasn't been used to justify disappointing deus ex machina effects, but instead to allow for some good and bad luck. | ||
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Xenocide_Knight
Korea (South)2625 Posts
On June 09 2013 12:52 Acritter wrote:Androssi and Anak are definitely farther towards talent>training, though. The two of them are legendarily undisciplined. I don't know about Anak but Androssi seems to me like a very driven individual. I would assume the opposite from you. | ||
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
On June 09 2013 13:02 Xenocide_Knight wrote: It's just like real life! I don't know about Anak but Androssi seems to me like a very driven individual. I would assume the opposite from you. Remember the scene with the Bull? They value petty rivalry over success. And I valued the work from Androssi higher. | ||
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politik
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
On June 09 2013 13:38 politik wrote: Not to mention the case with Baam in S1. Even though he was pretty much useless the whole time, every ranker who met him (Quant, Lero, YHS, Ren, etc.) was like "this kid is going places" purely based on his talent, without any knowledge of the extent of his persistence, motivation, or work ethic. Maybe that was just to hype him up for the story, but I like to think it's more than that. Well, that's just a natural human reaction. You see someone do something that blows your mind, and you say "wow, you're gonna do amazing stuff" (and indeed, they already have done amazing stuff). I wouldn't read too deeply into that. It would be strange if they took it completely in stride. | ||
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Xenocide_Knight
Korea (South)2625 Posts
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
On June 09 2013 13:47 Xenocide_Knight wrote: I wouldn't really say that shows that they don't work hard, nor would I call that rivalry petty. First of all, they were supremely confident in their Bull killing abilities and secondly, idk about them but if I were a Zahard Princess, I would totally risk a round of testing to prove my superiority over a half blood Zahard. But they then let it get away, which nearly ended up killing Baam and forcing them to fail the test. Since I like quotations: "Stupid risks are just that: stupid." And it turned out later on that it was more of a friendly rivalry than anything, meaning that it was even worse of a stupid risk. They could have just 2v1ed the thing and spent the rest of the time sparring. | ||
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politik
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On June 09 2013 13:42 Acritter wrote: Well, that's just a natural human reaction. You see someone do something that blows your mind, and you say "wow, you're gonna do amazing stuff" (and indeed, they already have done amazing stuff). I wouldn't read too deeply into that. It would be strange if they took it completely in stride. They're all like 1000 years old. I doubt there's much that "blows their mind" anymore. | ||
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Acritter
Syria7637 Posts
On June 09 2013 14:44 politik wrote: They're all like 1000 years old. I doubt there's much that "blows their mind" anymore. And yet they still all said "wait, you shouldn't be able to do that" when he created a room with zero training. | ||
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