On August 01 2011 09:50 BulldogBCN wrote:
is melodic death metal allowed in this thread? to be honest, all those sub-genre discussions kinda bore me... i'll just post some of my favourites.

and something newer:

Wow thank you this Dissection song is soooooo good.

BulldogBCN

Spain50 Posts

August 01 2011 22:55 GMT

#122

On August 02 2011 02:53 TheBamf wrote:
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On August 02 2011 02:12 Musclecore wrote:

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NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE NOPE

I don't get where people are coming from when they say this... Dissection weren't related to the black metal scene or aesthetics, the music shares SOME aspects with SOME bands of the early second wave, but in the core its still death metal. Hell, there are a lot of death metal bands we could call black metal if Dissection could be labeled as such.

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Indeed, which is why (if you find it stimulating or relevant to discuss genres at all, otherwise I'd advise the people who care to voice their opinions and end it with "But in the end it doesn't matter!" to digress) I myself like to define the lines between the genres. In my opinion a lot of bands that didn't play black metal back in the 80's/early 90's got labeled as black metal simply because the old definition of the genre still was around. Are your lyrics and aesthetics "satanic"? Then its black metal! But these days we have more clear cut definitions, the genre has crystallized and know that isn't the case. Early Mercyful Fate isn't black metal. Early Slayer isn't black metal. Venom is a hybrid of thrash/punk/heavy metal, Hellhammer/Celtic Frost some weird hybrid of everything between heaven and hell... And so forth.

First of all, the whole "genres" doesnt matter is self-defeating of your long-ish paragraph. Genres do matter, just beacuse you put up a set of very loose standards does not mean that the genres hold no value beyond the historical aspects as individual genres.

Here are my points for Dissection's The Somberlain being BM:

1) Obvious first, he often utilizises the black metal shrieks.

2) The song structure. DM focused far mroe on the kick ass than "epic" melodic interludes etc. the time, listen to the first track "Black Horizons" for examples. Take the part at 5:40 as an obvious tell.

Also I have listened to a fair share of death metal at the time and I think it would be unfair to say that the DM sound resembled The Somberlain more than the BM sound.

well, genres don't really matter... and all the fights about genre are terribly annoying to me. nevertheless, i always end up participating in these fights, can't really say why... i guess it's just part of the metal culture. and, in this thread, the whole thing seems to be happening in a civilized matter.

about dissection... i find they are a band that's hard to really pin down on a genre. to me their sound is much more similar to all those gothenburg bands from the early 90s than to the norwegian black metal bands of the same time. it kinda depends on the song, i guess (i'm referring to the somberlain and storm of the light's bane... never really listened to reinkaos).

what is of course more similar to some of these norwegian bands, is all the other stuff, that's not related directly to their music (yeah, i'm talking about killing people and commiting suicide in a circle of candles). i think it's one of the main reasons why people tend to label them as black metal.

TheBamf

Denmark366 Posts

August 01 2011 22:59 GMT

#123

If genres did not matter this thread would be pointless and so would any thread associated with a genre on this forum.

Also stay away from Reinkaos! It is not the Dissection we love.

BulldogBCN

Spain50 Posts

August 01 2011 23:04 GMT

#124

On August 02 2011 07:59 TheBamf wrote:
If genres did not matter this thread would be pointless and so would any thread associated with a genre on this forum.

Also stay away from Reinkaos! It is not the Dissection we love.

well, you're right... kinda. they do matter, people need to classify things into categories, it's how our brain works.

what i don't like about the genre discussions is the elitism and fingerpointing that usually comes with it... but it's nowhere to find in this thread until now, so i don't have any problems with it.

about reinkaos... yes, i think i've never been so disappointed after listening to a new album of a band i liked (that's a incredible thing to say, considering that i've been a follower of metallica since i was little! ;D).

EDIT: one more thing about the genres, though... sometimes it does get out of control. when i hear bands define themselves as "progressive power-glam-death-metalcore" or something, they've crossed a line.

ZombieNostalgia

United States133 Posts

August 01 2011 23:06 GMT

#125

I think the fact that it is Melodic Black Metal makes it a little more confusing but if one listens to enough first/second wave black metal and death metal, you can probably tell the difference. I found myself returning to Storm of Light's Bane today to make sure. It's not too hard to tell. I've almost never heard before this thread any Dissection being labeled as DM.

I don't even see why everyone has to make this an argument. This thread was made to enjoy DM. Let's do that.

BulldogBCN

Spain50 Posts

August 01 2011 23:25 GMT

#126

another more melodic band i really like:

Latedi

Sweden1027 Posts

August 01 2011 23:32 GMT

#127

Seems like this thread is ok with melodic death metal so here's my favorite band ever

Can't believe no one has mentioned In Flames yet as they are one of the biggest bands ever. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_flames

ZombieNostalgia

United States133 Posts

August 01 2011 23:40 GMT

#128

On August 02 2011 08:32 Latedi wrote:
Seems like this thread is ok with melodic death metal so here's my favorite band ever

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMUuLuwmmBg

Can't believe no one has mentioned In Flames yet as they are one of the biggest bands ever. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_flames

I never really see much In Flames love. Never really got into them. When I do hear about them it's usually about their older stuff. I hear a lot of bad stuff about their newer stuff as well.

That song you posted in my opinion doesn't sound like DM. Clean vox. Everything else just is kind of repetitive and bland. But if you like them, more power to you.

Scalepad

Sweden366 Posts

August 01 2011 23:51 GMT

#129

Brutal death metal time!

Friend's band.

(and before you say that this isn't brutal, yes it is. More brutal than most "brutal" bands today.)

BABYKILLER! I prefer this version 8).

ZombieNostalgia

United States133 Posts

August 01 2011 23:52 GMT

#130

Dude, I loved Vomitous's Ep. Awesome Slam. Awesome that you're friends with one of those guys.

Scalepad

Sweden366 Posts

August 02 2011 10:00 GMT

#131

Yeah, it's the bass player, Gustav. Saw them live with Insision and a bunch of other bands some months ago, was pretty baller.

TheBamf

Denmark366 Posts

August 02 2011 12:31 GMT

#132

On August 02 2011 08:32 Latedi wrote:
Seems like this thread is ok with melodic death metal so here's my favorite band ever

Can't believe no one has mentioned In Flames yet as they are one of the biggest bands ever. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/In_flames

This is not melodic DM. I really like "The Jester Race" by them, but it seems as if they turned to absolute horseshit near the 2000's.

Gorguts is fucking sweet.

Moxi

708 Posts

August 02 2011 12:34 GMT

#133

I want a deathcore thread :3

ZombieNostalgia

United States133 Posts

August 02 2011 16:08 GMT

#134

Inoculated Life is my favorite off of Considered Dead.
Apparently, their new album is supposed to come out sometime in early 2012.

I love riffs so much.

Why would you want a Deathcore thread? I don't know any deathcore that isn't shameless chugging followed by an abuse of breakdowns. Why not just listen to the Brutal Death bands that were posted. Their song writing abilities far surpass that of any deathcore bands.

couches

618 Posts

August 02 2011 20:00 GMT

#135

Doubt somebody into deathcore would even notice a breakdown in a brutal dm song. They're different, as in they usually use more than 1 note during the breakdown. Just listen to Suffocation or somethin.

ZombieNostalgia

United States133 Posts

August 04 2011 03:46 GMT

#136

God damn. I cannot shake that I got a 98% on a math test. I could have gotten a 100%. one thing wrong by .3. This is why i need to quadruple check. I need some awesome metal to calm me down.