On August 21 2011 23:58 shadymmj wrote: i consider myself very much a death metal fan but i just can't get into deicide for the life of me. i like Death, Entombed, Dismembere, Atheist, even necroticism-era Carcass, but deicide just sounds like pig screams and a wall of blast beats to me.
Yes Deicide can be a tough listening. Its pretty umcompromising. But music is an artform. And art is not always something to enjoy, but to experience. I mean, i dont necessary always enjoy Deicide that much, but more so its an experience of how raw and extreme metal can be. If someone playing instruments acutally can make you feel sick to your stomic, now thats a genuine emotion youre experiencing. Embrace that sick rotten feeling inside.
Now. If Deicide's music was so bad that it made you feel sick to you bone, that would have been a hole other story. But Deicide made well executed, original and honest music that makes you wanna puke and squeel. Now thats genius.
I love Deicide's first two albums and their last three (to a lesser extent). However their first two (the self-titled album and Legion) sound like some straightforward, but much better than average, brutal death while the last three albums are thrashier. I don't find it very 'sickening' sounding if that makes sense.
I don't mean to say "yo these bands are way more br00tal and sick than those mainstream bands like Deicide", but I find more twisted sounding death metal bands like Malignancy, Mindly Rotten, Ulcerate and a lot of good grindcore bands like Carcass and Pig Destroyer evoke that rotten feeling you're describing better. Malignancy's first full-length was more old-school brutal death,
but their later shit was insane--not necessarily better, just more fucked up sounding.
I like the way Ulcerate create atmosphere without compromising the brutality.
Columbia is just bursting at the seams with death metal. Mindly Rotten is one of the better Columbian acts
You don't even really make sense in saying "twisted sounding death metal." Malignancy sounds nothing like Ulcerate or that other band you posted. Just brutal death. Ulcerate is a tech/brutal death. I'm pretty sure that other band is too but that last one was awful. No offense but it's not that impressive to be really technical. Lots of bands can do it. This band is pretty generic. There were times where it just sounded like a mess of noise.
Brutal Death is a very fragile genre, lots of generic bands who just want to be super heavy or brutal and it ends up sounding boring or awful. Wormed. Spanish Brutal Death. Has that dissonant sound, has awesome riffing, is heavy, guttural vocals. You may like it it.
On August 21 2011 23:58 shadymmj wrote: i consider myself very much a death metal fan but i just can't get into deicide for the life of me. i like Death, Entombed, Dismembere, Atheist, even necroticism-era Carcass, but deicide just sounds like pig screams and a wall of blast beats to me.
Yes Deicide can be a tough listening. Its pretty umcompromising. But music is an artform. And art is not always something to enjoy, but to experience. I mean, i dont necessary always enjoy Deicide that much, but more so its an experience of how raw and extreme metal can be. If someone playing instruments acutally can make you feel sick to your stomic, now thats a genuine emotion youre experiencing. Embrace that sick rotten feeling inside.
Now. If Deicide's music was so bad that it made you feel sick to you bone, that would have been a hole other story. But Deicide made well executed, original and honest music that makes you wanna puke and squeel. Now thats genius.
I love Deicide's first two albums and their last three (to a lesser extent). However their first two (the self-titled album and Legion) sound like some straightforward, but much better than average, brutal death while the last three albums are thrashier. I don't find it very 'sickening' sounding if that makes sense.
I don't mean to say "yo these bands are way more br00tal and sick than those mainstream bands like Deicide", but I find more twisted sounding death metal bands like Malignancy, Mindly Rotten, Ulcerate and a lot of good grindcore bands like Carcass and Pig Destroyer evoke that rotten feeling you're describing better.
Theres just something brutally evil about early deicide (I've only listened to their first three) soundwise. I mean sure, there are more 'evil' bands and certainly more 'brutal' bands like the grindcore ones, but when i listen to deicide theres an ancient EVIL feel to it. The 80's production with the dirty, but thin guitars contributes to this. And even tough the vocals aren't indistinguishable gutteral sounds there nonetheless some beastly growls that transcended what was previously achieved. Up until the point of Deicides debut in 1990 i'd say that most of the extreme metal bands were using high pitch sneering or shouting to deliever there lyrical messages, but Deicides vocalist cut ground with his deep growling (still he varies alot between shrieks and growls). The volume on the vocals is also really loud and add power to his battlecries against God.
To me these vocals make can me feel sick. The relentless blastbeats, fronted by some loooud aggressive vocals coming straight from the deepest hell just makes feel slightly uncomfortable when im relaxing in my favourite chair sipping on hot chocolate, but its ALL GOOD.
Now here for something more brutal sounding
Now this just leaves me smily and giddly. I guess its because it flows really well.
My favorite Floridian DM band. Well, the first three albums at least. Morbid Angel just has amazing riffs and David Vincent's vocals embody what I consider are evil vocals. Distinguishable and yet still a growl. Trey's guitar work for A,B and C is just great. So many moment I find myself thinking DAT RIFF in my head. Pete the feet just complements all this with his great drumming.(as seen in Word Downfall too) Altars of Madness sits prety high on my all time list and Chapel of Ghouls is my all time favorite DM song.
Incantation is awesome too. It seems almost anything Craig Pillard touches is gold. Disma, Incantation, Disciples of Mockery.
On August 22 2011 23:23 ZombieNostalgia wrote: You don't even really make sense in saying "twisted sounding death metal." Malignancy sounds nothing like Ulcerate or that other band you posted. Just brutal death. Ulcerate is a tech/brutal death. I'm pretty sure that other band is too but that last one was awful. No offense but it's not that impressive to be really technical. Lots of bands can do it. This band is pretty generic. There were times where it just sounded like a mess of noise. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsiyB_XSF7E
I don't really care much for weedly weedly technicality by itself. If I did I would only listen to Necrophagist and Brain Drill or Chopin and Frank Zappa. I didn't mean to lump any of the bands I listed together in the same subgenre or even say that they sounded similar; I was just listing a handful of random death metal bands that personally evoke the same sickening but pleasant feeling that tanngard was saying he gets from Deicide, which is more subjective than anything.
That being said I do listen to Wormed, but I think the 'mess of noise' description fits them as well, except I don't feel it detracts from the music. Songwriting is important and a lot of the time death metal bands just seem to throw together random riffs/ideas with no real coherence, but I really think that whether it sounds good in the end is a hit-and-miss kind of thing and is highly subjective.
On August 02 2011 08:06 ZombieNostalgia wrote: I think the fact that it is Melodic Black Metal makes it a little more confusing but if one listens to enough first/second wave black metal and death metal, you can probably tell the difference. I found myself returning to Storm of Light's Bane today to make sure. It's not too hard to tell. I've almost never heard before this thread any Dissection being labeled as DM.
I don't even see why everyone has to make this an argument. This thread was made to enjoy DM. Let's do that.
According to Dan Swano, who produced those first two albums, Dissection was a pure death metal band. Of course that is simply not true because there obviously a ton of black and thrash metal influences; and they are a pretty singular band with a unique sound.
Anyways here is one of my favorite DM bands, carcass. This is kinda a rarer song, but its one of my favorites: Carcass - Hepatic Tissue Fermentation II
Ooh there seems to be quite some focus on looks there. Personally I couldn't care less though as I think the music matters more. But maybe it's something to think about if you play live or go listen to a concert. I think the singing is a good part because I rarely hear the lyircs in death metal... say I can hear 10%? Then I can hear maybe 25% in deathcore. Well lyrics doesn't really matter if you can't hear what they sing anyway. And about the bands you listed I have been instructed to not listen to some of them xD I think I should keep away.
Thanks for explaining this for me guys
in my experience, the focus on looks is pretty dominant in most metalhead's hating on deathcore (and vice versa, i guess)... sure, people will talk about boring breakdowns and whatnot, but they're really just worried about short hair and hardcore/emo style people in "their" scene.
i don't know... personally, i'll leave all that to the teenagers (no hating/mocking here, this kind of stuff is an important part of forming one's identity) and just listen to the music i like.
i think it's rather silly to absolutely love death metal and absolutely hate deathcore at the same time... after all, these are two pretty similar genres, sometimes even not really distinguishable.
The majority of people are hating on the scene and how certain bands cater to the scene. Said bands and especially the scene-oriented fans will move on to something else when it's not popular amongst their peers anymore.
I can't remember what band interview it was but they were comparing US fans to EU fans. The gist of it was in EU the fans are in it for life more or less. They see many of the same people at the gigs they saw 10-15 years ago. Most people at the gig look like they know the songs. But in the US they have to sort of rebuild their fan base every tour. The kids that were at the last show have probably already moved onto another trend even as quick as a year later.
Ooh there seems to be quite some focus on looks there. Personally I couldn't care less though as I think the music matters more. But maybe it's something to think about if you play live or go listen to a concert. I think the singing is a good part because I rarely hear the lyircs in death metal... say I can hear 10%? Then I can hear maybe 25% in deathcore. Well lyrics doesn't really matter if you can't hear what they sing anyway. And about the bands you listed I have been instructed to not listen to some of them xD I think I should keep away.
Thanks for explaining this for me guys
in my experience, the focus on looks is pretty dominant in most metalhead's hating on deathcore (and vice versa, i guess)... sure, people will talk about boring breakdowns and whatnot, but they're really just worried about short hair and hardcore/emo style people in "their" scene.
i don't know... personally, i'll leave all that to the teenagers (no hating/mocking here, this kind of stuff is an important part of forming one's identity) and just listen to the music i like.
i think it's rather silly to absolutely love death metal and absolutely hate deathcore at the same time... after all, these are two pretty similar genres, sometimes even not really distinguishable.
I have to disagree with you here. It's cool that you like deathcore, and I'm not trying to rain on your parade. It just for the most part doesn't offer me what I enjoy in death metal.
Examples. I like this:
Not this:
I like this (note some similarities to 'deathcore' here. I find the actual riffs and composition to be far superior however):
Not this:
If you can't tell the difference, then you aren't listening to this music for the same reasons I am. Which is fine, but I wouldn't make blanket statements about what music others should like if you're not in the same framework as others.
I don't listen to a lot of death metal, I'm more of a thrash fan, but if anyone hasn't heard Amon Amarth he definitely should listen to them. Here are a few songs.
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