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SPOILER WARNING If you only watch the show, this thread will spoil you of future events in HBO's Game of Thrones. Thread contains discussion of all books of the series A Song of Ice and Fire
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saddaromma
Profile Joined April 2013
1129 Posts
August 04 2017 07:42 GMT
#14261
At this point the show has become horseshit.

I just hope, the books (if they ever come out) will be totally different from show storyline.
Spaylz
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan1743 Posts
August 04 2017 08:35 GMT
#14262
I wouldn't go that far. The show is taking some massive shortcuts, and it is hindering quality yes. It remains a good show, just not exceptional anymore.

As far as GRRM goes... I think him having to scratch the time skip really messed him up. It's where it all comes from really. I believe it goes something like this: he initially did the time skip, but found himself doing too many flashbacks and thus decided not to have it. Then he had to do a lot more unraveling and got himself into the so-called Mereenese Knot.

And now...
I like words.
saddaromma
Profile Joined April 2013
1129 Posts
August 07 2017 10:25 GMT
#14263
On August 04 2017 16:42 saddaromma wrote:
At this point the show has become horseshit.

I just hope, the books (if they ever come out) will be totally different from show storyline.


Taking this back

Cutting direwolfs for CGI budget was worth it. Hats off.
karazax
Profile Joined May 2010
United States3737 Posts
August 07 2017 22:11 GMT
#14264
As generally impressive and entertaining as it was, I expect that battle will be significantly different in the books, if it even happens at all any way close to the show. It's unlikely High Garden is ever captured by Jaime. Realistically the siege of High Garden alone could go on for a year or more easily. The Tyrells on the show were so worthless. If they were that easy to defeat the Lannisters should have won the war back when Tywin was still alive.
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9261 Posts
August 07 2017 22:43 GMT
#14265
Tyrell commanders are dead and some (we don't know how many but probably a majority) of their vassals are supposed to fight for Lannisters instead of Olenna. It's possible that Highgarden will be almost as easy to capture as Winterfell was for Theon.
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karazax
Profile Joined May 2010
United States3737 Posts
August 08 2017 01:45 GMT
#14266
Only in the show, which is pretty far off from what happened in the books at the point the show moved completely past book events.
saddaromma
Profile Joined April 2013
1129 Posts
August 08 2017 05:53 GMT
#14267
On August 08 2017 07:11 karazax wrote:
As generally impressive and entertaining as it was, I expect that battle will be significantly different in the books, if it even happens at all any way close to the show. It's unlikely High Garden is ever captured by Jaime. Realistically the siege of High Garden alone could go on for a year or more easily. The Tyrells on the show were so worthless. If they were that easy to defeat the Lannisters should have won the war back when Tywin was still alive.


I doubt this battle will ever happen in books. Afaik, book invasion will be completely different.
Laurens
Profile Joined September 2010
Belgium4553 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-08 06:14:36
August 08 2017 06:14 GMT
#14268
On August 08 2017 10:45 karazax wrote:
Only in the show, which is pretty far off from what happened in the books at the point the show moved completely past book events.


Cersei blowing up the sept with the Tyrells inside seems like something that will also happen in the book.
At which point it's just Tarly that has to switch sides and we've arrived at the same point as the show (with regards to the Tyrell army).

Just not sure it'll be Jaime leading that Lannister army, his arc is very different in the books.

Xoronius
Profile Joined July 2011
Germany6362 Posts
August 08 2017 10:56 GMT
#14269
On August 08 2017 14:53 saddaromma wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2017 07:11 karazax wrote:
As generally impressive and entertaining as it was, I expect that battle will be significantly different in the books, if it even happens at all any way close to the show. It's unlikely High Garden is ever captured by Jaime. Realistically the siege of High Garden alone could go on for a year or more easily. The Tyrells on the show were so worthless. If they were that easy to defeat the Lannisters should have won the war back when Tywin was still alive.


I doubt this battle will ever happen in books. Afaik, book invasion will be completely different.

It has to be. The show excluded an entire faction, which probably will have some impact in the books. Also I can't really imagine, that Doran will go down as easily in the books, so everything coming out of Dorne will be in different shape.
nothingmuch
Profile Joined March 2015
448 Posts
August 08 2017 11:11 GMT
#14270
On August 08 2017 19:56 Xoronius wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 08 2017 14:53 saddaromma wrote:
On August 08 2017 07:11 karazax wrote:
As generally impressive and entertaining as it was, I expect that battle will be significantly different in the books, if it even happens at all any way close to the show. It's unlikely High Garden is ever captured by Jaime. Realistically the siege of High Garden alone could go on for a year or more easily. The Tyrells on the show were so worthless. If they were that easy to defeat the Lannisters should have won the war back when Tywin was still alive.


I doubt this battle will ever happen in books. Afaik, book invasion will be completely different.

It has to be. The show excluded an entire faction, which probably will have some impact in the books. Also I can't really imagine, that Doran will go down as easily in the books, so everything coming out of Dorne will be in different shape.


Wait a minute are you telling me there will be no "bad pussy" in the books? I'm not sure I could handle the absence of such awful writing.
Logo
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States7542 Posts
August 10 2017 17:01 GMT
#14271
One thing I'm curious about for the show is the Golden Company. Based on what we know about them in the books their allegiance is almost certainly not in Cersei's direction. On top of that the Iron Bank is finally free of being invested in the Lannisters and their rule. They've promised to help bring over the Golden Company but they have never said for which side.
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andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
August 10 2017 17:18 GMT
#14272
That was an interesting casual mention on the show. Considering how much Dany was losing in the previous episodes and knowing what the Golden Company was in the books, I thought that they would come over and help win the war for Dany by switching sides. That might still be possible but the loot train battle did swing some momentum towards her side again.
Redox
Profile Joined October 2010
Germany24794 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-10 17:39:01
August 10 2017 17:32 GMT
#14273
I doubt we will actually see the Golden Company. It would just be an additional warring faction that would confuse viewers which never heard of them except that one time. And they would have to make a whole additional set of costumes for them.

I think they were just mentioned as a bullet point for what the Iron Bank can do for Cersei if they get their money back and stay on her side. And that if was actually stressed a lot by the banker. Also we still have not heard that the money actually arrived. So that money being stolen could be another future plot point leading to the bank switching sides.

Basically it was another point adding to the notion that things were turning in cercei's favor (which enraged many viewers btw and contributed to disliking the episode) before fate turns the other way again.
Off-season = best season
Sent.
Profile Joined June 2012
Poland9261 Posts
August 10 2017 19:05 GMT
#14274
They could make them come to defend King's Landing like elves came to defend Helms Deep in LOTR. Completely irrelevant but looks cool on the screen.
You're now breathing manually
Odoakar
Profile Joined May 2010
Croatia1837 Posts
August 11 2017 07:22 GMT
#14275
Did they ever show Dany's prophecy of 3 betrayals in the show? I kinda forgot - I see some folks thinking Melissandre is a spy, which might actually work. I think in the books one betrayal was Jorah, the second Barristan and the third one is still open?
moktira *
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Ireland1546 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-11 14:23:49
August 11 2017 14:10 GMT
#14276
You think Barristan? I presumed Daario would be one and then whoever provided the poisoned locusts (the Shavepate maybe, can't remember who is most likely now as it's been a while since I read it). I doubt Barristan would betray her anyway. Also I don't think that was ever mentioned in the show.
If in doubt, differentiate and set equal to zero
Spaylz
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Japan1743 Posts
August 14 2017 04:23 GMT
#14277
Last episode was pretty good. They casually dropped the truth bomb of Rhaegar and Lyanna being legally married, apparently. So Jon is no bastard after all; at least in the show.

Next week's episode looks insane.
I like words.
reincremate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China2216 Posts
August 14 2017 09:24 GMT
#14278
At this point, the show is only really good when there's action or Tyrion says something funny. Otherwise it's just meh.
aseq
Profile Joined January 2003
Netherlands3991 Posts
August 14 2017 10:06 GMT
#14279
On August 14 2017 18:24 reincremate wrote:
At this point, the show is only really good when there's action or Tyrion says something funny. Otherwise it's just meh.

I had a blast last week, enjoyed it a lot. You could always not watch it, you know?
reincremate
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China2216 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-14 11:57:19
August 14 2017 11:55 GMT
#14280
On August 14 2017 19:06 aseq wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 14 2017 18:24 reincremate wrote:
At this point, the show is only really good when there's action or Tyrion says something funny. Otherwise it's just meh.

I had a blast last week, enjoyed it a lot. You could always not watch it, you know?

I actually just read the plot summary on wikipedia and then skip to scenes I might like, like the battle with the dragons. This last episode was pretty boring. Weak writing like usual. Avengers/MMO raid crew thing was kind of unintentionally funny. Next episode clearly will have more action. Dudes killing ice zombies with medieval weapons. Can't go too wrong with that.
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