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On April 15 2018 22:00 goody153 wrote:
If only Fnatic immediately went for the linkens stacking after seeing TB getting one-shot by morphling. We wouldn't have seen this insanely prolonged game
Guys TB still beats other carries
Agreed, but my point still stands. EE-based teams get in these situations, and have for years & will continue to. If Fnatic isn't snowballing lanes, they're not a very good team.
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On April 15 2018 22:01 spudde123 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2018 21:58 BigO wrote:
All EE has to do is buy items that makes him survive their burst combo, but I guess that is too hard. This game will probably go on for quite some time until Optic gets the item to just win. They probably could have bought an earlier linkens on him, a linkens on WD and a linkens on Naga. What Fnatic did well with the lead was controlling the entire map and farming on all 5 heroes, but them going for offensive items on WD and Naga too almost cost them
Yeah they would've won with simply the linkens stacking but WD went for aghs and Naga went for none-linkens
Even universe built lotus orb that time
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Thank you this didnt end up beeing fnatic going full EE.
But i dont understand them either, the Moph is bursting us how about i buy a refresher... hey morph is still bursting us butterfly would be great? And finally way to late they startet stacking one shot counters and won the game.
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On April 15 2018 22:01 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2018 22:00 goody153 wrote:
If only Fnatic immediately went for the linkens stacking after seeing TB getting one-shot by morphling. We wouldn't have seen this insanely prolonged game
Guys TB still beats other carries Agreed, but my point still stands. EE-based teams get in these situations, and have for years & will continue to. If Fnatic isn't snowballing lanes, they're not a very good team.
I mean it's an EE-based team. His teams has plenty of games where they comeback from a deficit in fact his earlier teams(first 3 iteration of c9) won alot of games through comebacks and was characteristically their personal playstyle where they prolong the game and make plays from behind.
I'd rather they play from ahead tho rather than behind
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On April 15 2018 22:04 its_a_me wrote:
Thank you this didnt end up beeing fnatic going full EE.
But i dont understand them either, the Moph is bursting us how about i buy a refresher... hey morph is still bursting us butterfly would be great? And finally way to late they startet stacking one shot counters and won the game.
EE never bought a refresher and he had both bkb and linkens himself. The refreshers were just the shards from rosh
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Oddly nobody from either team brought aeon disk this game. With how hot the item is recently i would've expected at least one this game
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Yea flame Fnatic like they were so close to losing. They were never in danger of losing this game. Optic didn't even come close to even contesting roshan lmao.
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On April 15 2018 22:07 goody153 wrote:
Oddly nobody from either team brought aeon disk this game. With how hot the item is recently i would've expected at least one this game
Fnatic wouldn't and Optic was so poor for most of it that it didn't make the most sense.
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On April 15 2018 22:08 babysimba wrote:
Yea flame Fnatic like they were so close to losing. They were never in danger of losing this game. Optic didn't even come close to even contesting roshan lmao.
I disagree once morphling and DK hit 6 slots and fnatic still hadn't gotten megas it was already worrying since the only reason Optic wasn't making alot of rotations and calls outside their base was because fnatic manages to always force a buyback from Morphling/DK throughout the rosh timings and sieges.
Good thing fnatic understood that they can actually lose in an open 5v5. And optic doesn't really go insane when they are behind(not a team that would go make risky calls)
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Oh mistook it for a refresher my bad. They so often make their games way harder then they need to be.
@babysimba
its not flameing, its a little frustration. Fnativ could do so much better but they often but themselfes in this awkward positions
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On April 15 2018 22:09 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2018 22:07 goody153 wrote:
Oddly nobody from either team brought aeon disk this game. With how hot the item is recently i would've expected at least one this game Fnatic wouldn't and Optic was so poor for most of it that it didn't make the most sense.
That's fair. Maybe TB gets one ? I think it would've always kept him always alive regardless of the surprise factor(he's just gonna sunder after)
Just weird but it make sense that nobody would pick it up this game.
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Fnatic is going to get so much practice for these super-lategames with how their games are going. It might actually benefit them hugely in the long run.
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On April 15 2018 22:10 goody153 wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2018 22:08 babysimba wrote:
Yea flame Fnatic like they were so close to losing. They were never in danger of losing this game. Optic didn't even come close to even contesting roshan lmao. I disagree once morphling and DK hit 6 slots and fnatic still hadn't gotten megas it was already worrying since the only reason Optic wasn't making alot of rotations and calls outside their base was because fnatic manages to always force a buyback from Morphling/DK throughout the rosh timings and sieges. Good thing fnatic understood that they can actually lose in an open 5v5. And optic doesn't really go insane when they are behind(not a team that would go make risky calls)
TA trap vision. That really pinned Optic in the base.
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On April 15 2018 22:13 Mosoball wrote:
Fnatic is going to get so much practice for these super-lategames with how their games are going. It might actually benefit them hugely in the long run.
It could also backfire to them make them start doubting their own ability to end games. It could be a way of burnout to them
On April 15 2018 22:13 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2018 22:10 goody153 wrote:On April 15 2018 22:08 babysimba wrote:
Yea flame Fnatic like they were so close to losing. They were never in danger of losing this game. Optic didn't even come close to even contesting roshan lmao. I disagree once morphling and DK hit 6 slots and fnatic still hadn't gotten megas it was already worrying since the only reason Optic wasn't making alot of rotations and calls outside their base was because fnatic manages to always force a buyback from Morphling/DK throughout the rosh timings and sieges. Good thing fnatic understood that they can actually lose in an open 5v5. And optic doesn't really go insane when they are behind(not a team that would go make risky calls) TA trap vision. That really pinned Optic in the base.
Yeah it made a difference too, Since they could more or less guess a smoke play with it or if they're safe since Optic never goes 2-3 man smokes .
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Optic is going win lanes win game draft but that Dazzle pick doesn't make sense unless they're planning to pick some supercore huskar or something.
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Optic again has the core-matchup advantage. This pl is gonna murder them if they don't own again
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On April 15 2018 22:25 goody153 wrote:
Optic again has the core-matchup advantage. This pl is gonna murder them if they don't own again
Zai + 33 also showing they know they lost that early game last time and are working really hard this game.
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Looked like a bad Weaver game even when they picked it, just bc of dazzle?
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On April 15 2018 22:30 Taf the Ghost wrote:Show nested quote +On April 15 2018 22:25 goody153 wrote:
Optic again has the core-matchup advantage. This pl is gonna murder them if they don't own again Zai + 33 also showing they know they lost that early game last time and are working really hard this game.
They have better heroes this game too. Razor/tusk should've a somewhat favorable matchup against VS/Weaver
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Optic was only capable of winning fights because they were abusing null field and ET aura spell amplification. Their supports were able to position safely in their own base.
Only NA picks morph because morph lineup is often able to win them more lanes and then snowball. Almost no other region picks morph. It is no longer the late game beast that it was before ever since it was changed not being able to morph when stunned. It is extremely reliant on bkb to win late game fights now.
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