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Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
April 15 2018 13:32 GMT
#101
There's pickoff potential on Fnatic, but neither team is huge on catch.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44254 Posts
April 15 2018 13:33 GMT
#102
On April 15 2018 22:31 Chillander wrote:
Looked like a bad Weaver game even when they picked it, just bc of dazzle?

It's not good weaver game. Afaik a Optic with gem will just have PL chase him and he just dies. Even razor who goes racecar build beats him
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goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44254 Posts
April 15 2018 13:34 GMT
#103
Fnatic shouldn't be forcing to fight in this huge early game engagements. They have inferior laning heroes
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its_a_me
Profile Joined June 2016
Austria612 Posts
April 15 2018 13:39 GMT
#104
do you think fnatic can handle the late game PL?
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
April 15 2018 13:39 GMT
#105
Single core euls SF when you have weaver for armor reduction synergy and beastmaster attack speed aura.

GG go next
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44254 Posts
April 15 2018 13:40 GMT
#106
On April 15 2018 22:39 its_a_me wrote:
do you think fnatic can handle the late game PL?

I don't think they can even handle midgame PL/DP/Razor with even farm.
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its_a_me
Profile Joined June 2016
Austria612 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-15 13:44:06
April 15 2018 13:41 GMT
#107
maybe he goes physical now after the bkb and has euls for early and mid game?

€dit: under me, unless they blow their load on a graved hero
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44254 Posts
April 15 2018 13:42 GMT
#108
Fnatic does have the catch and massive amount of minus armor + physical damage so they can certainly kill anybody if they caught somebody .
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goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44254 Posts
April 15 2018 13:44 GMT
#109
Optic has to be a bit careful though no matter how underfarmed SF/Weaver is. They still have 4 -armor heroes and bkb piercing disables and catch capacity
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its_a_me
Profile Joined June 2016
Austria612 Posts
April 15 2018 13:49 GMT
#110
wow fnatic cant afford those mistakes
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44254 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-15 13:51:19
April 15 2018 13:50 GMT
#111
Optic please what are you doing you have the better lineup and PL should be owning this fools

edit:

Ok optic took advantage so they're gucchi
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Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
April 15 2018 13:52 GMT
#112
Hey, Aeon Disk!
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44254 Posts
April 15 2018 13:54 GMT
#113
If you think about it and this SF is instead a DK. Fnatic won't actually have the problem of never outscaling PL
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its_a_me
Profile Joined June 2016
Austria612 Posts
April 15 2018 13:57 GMT
#114
this was horrible and a DK would be great.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44254 Posts
April 15 2018 13:58 GMT
#115
It's understandable if you get outdrafted by a Broodmother or Huskar or Storm. Those are occasional picks and that can be extremely good in circumstances

but come on Fnatic you get outdrafted by a lastpick PL in a PL META? Rofl
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Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
April 15 2018 13:58 GMT
#116
On April 15 2018 22:54 goody153 wrote:
If you think about it and this SF is instead a DK. Fnatic won't actually have the problem of never outscaling PL


I'm coming to the opinion that, unless you have a really key 1-4 picks, that 2nd pick/final pick is the best choice in the drafting right now.
CxWiLL
Profile Joined May 2013
China830 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-15 14:00:03
April 15 2018 13:59 GMT
#117
On April 15 2018 22:52 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Hey, Aeon Disk!

such an anti-fun item
it overtakes BKB and become the worst item in dota for me.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44254 Posts
April 15 2018 14:00 GMT
#118
On April 15 2018 22:58 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2018 22:54 goody153 wrote:
If you think about it and this SF is instead a DK. Fnatic won't actually have the problem of never outscaling PL


I'm coming to the opinion that, unless you have a really key 1-4 picks, that 2nd pick/final pick is the best choice in the drafting right now.

Tbh it's the final PL pick by optic that kinda grates my nerves that Fnatic didn't anticipate that. PL is one of the most picked and most understood hero this past few months and they did not expect a PL pick

just disappointing
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Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
April 15 2018 14:05 GMT
#119
On April 15 2018 23:00 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2018 22:58 Taf the Ghost wrote:
On April 15 2018 22:54 goody153 wrote:
If you think about it and this SF is instead a DK. Fnatic won't actually have the problem of never outscaling PL


I'm coming to the opinion that, unless you have a really key 1-4 picks, that 2nd pick/final pick is the best choice in the drafting right now.

Tbh it's the final PL pick by optic that kinda grates my nerves that Fnatic didn't anticipate that. PL is one of the most picked and most understood hero this past few months and they did not expect a PL pick

just disappointing


They banned Tidehunter for the last ban by Fnatic in game 2, so they thought Pajkatt was playing Razor.
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
April 15 2018 14:06 GMT
#120
I'd like to see Optic take the BM out in the first phase bans. I think that's the best hero they use Universe.
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