EPT[StarLadder] Kiev Minor - Finals Day - Page 8
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babysimba
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Taf the Ghost
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On April 15 2018 23:44 goody153 wrote: was SnY buffed ? why is everybody buying SnY even the Manta heroes are opting SnY Everyone was team fighting at 20 minutes on, so Gyro had to build early fighting. We're at 8-11 at 21 minutes, a lot less fighting. | ||
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goody153
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On April 15 2018 23:46 Taf the Ghost wrote: Everyone was team fighting at 20 minutes on, so Gyro had to build early fighting. We're at 8-11 at 21 minutes, a lot less fighting. I mean i am even seeing TB building SnY over Manta almost all the time. I understand gyro it's one of its core items | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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spudde123
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And I don't think Fnatic has a good enough Naga combo to kill Optic when they push either | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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On April 15 2018 23:48 goody153 wrote: I mean i am even seeing TB building SnY over Manta almost all the time. I understand gyro it's one of its core items I think it was just the Meta shift from DAC. Everyone was winning a team fight at 20-25 min and win game at 30 minute. Everyone was building early & push. It hasn't made the most sense, but it won some games. | ||
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goody153
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On April 15 2018 23:49 spudde123 wrote: This game seems completely over. Fnatic can't create any opportunities because Optic just pushes all lanes in without even needing to show on the map. And I don't think Fnatic has a good enough Naga combo to kill Optic when they push either Yeah disappointing performance from Fnatic. Should've been another finals showup by them since Optic is not that very difficult to beat | ||
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spudde123
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On April 15 2018 23:52 goody153 wrote: Yeah disappointing performance from Fnatic. Should've been another finals showup by them since Optic is not that very difficult to beat To me it feels like they are quite a bit weaker due to trying to accommodate Adam. DJ isn't getting to play his usual heroes really | ||
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goody153
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On April 15 2018 23:53 spudde123 wrote: To me it feels like they are quite a bit weaker due to trying to accommodate Adam. DJ isn't getting to play his usual heroes really He's playing as 5 it's weird. DJ is usually playing a greedy support | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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On April 15 2018 23:53 spudde123 wrote: To me it feels like they are quite a bit weaker due to trying to accommodate Adam. DJ isn't getting to play his usual heroes really That's why they left the Naga in. Adam isn't very good on the hero. That Naga + Pango lane was a really surprisingly strong and it caught Optic offguard. | ||
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spudde123
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On April 15 2018 23:55 goody153 wrote: He's playing as 5 it's weird. DJ is usually playing a greedy support Adam said after yesterday's game it's because he isn't comfortable playing a laning support and can roam better. This game felt like a pretty nice draft from Optic. Unless Fnatic managed to somehow outplay them early on, it's really hard to do anything and really hard to screw up as Optic. They could even push at night time and Fnatic couldn't defend their base at all because they have no initiation | ||
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babysimba
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This game is majority on Universe. Pango isn't a good pick off hero. He forces good engagement through better map control by constantly shoving in lanes. Instead, Universe just played like a initiator pickoff hero that hides in fog entire game. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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On April 15 2018 23:59 babysimba wrote: Nobody is taking over the "Aui" role that DJ used to do, which is shoving in lanes for better map position. This game is majority on Universe. Pango isn't a good pick off hero. He forces good engagement through better map control by constantly shoving in lanes. Instead, Universe just played like a initiator pickoff hero that hides in fog entire game. The AA pick was game losing. They were stuck static laning and DJ had nothing to do. You've got a "wait & farm up" against a BM, Gyro, Kotl & Lina, who are much better early game farmers. Fnatic drafted themselves into a corner and if they didn't have that surprising combo in game 1, they'd have gotten 2-0'd. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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Mosoball
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On April 16 2018 00:11 Taf the Ghost wrote: In semi-unrelated news, was Pajkatt ever this good on any other team? He's always been good at hitting creeps. This team they have PPD drafts to grab advantages that way to make Pajkatt space. Pajkatt's strenght is when he doesn't have to do anything active to win the game. Edit: Of course I might be wrong, this is just my opinion. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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On April 16 2018 00:13 Mosoball wrote: He's always been good at hitting creeps. This team they have PPD drafts to grab advantages that way to make Pajkatt space. Pajkatt's strenght is when he doesn't have to do anything active to win the game. Edit: Of course I might be wrong, this is just my opinion.  Pajkatt/ResultsThis is really Pajkatt's first team with Tier 1 potential, but he's been to 4 TIs. He's only 25, since he's apparently been playing pro since age 16. He also coached DC at TI6, so he's really just never landed a great roster. | ||
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uthgard
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on the other hand, looks like fnatic gonna go back to pie. I don't really see the improvement with 343 | ||
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Mosoball
Finland686 Posts
On April 16 2018 00:32 uthgard wrote: I think he started being really good on navi, but he was inconsistent there because of additional burden of being shot-caller/drafter on the other hand, looks like fnatic gonna go back to pie. I don't really see the improvement with 343 Based on Envy's interview, I really doubt this was a permanent situation anyway. I do not see them having a hard-on on Adam playing, especially based on their play with him in the battle-cup. Something else was going on, and we won't be hearing what until after the team disbands, or even after that. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
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babysimba
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