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Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
April 15 2018 16:44 GMT
#181
DS is still a good high ground defender.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
April 15 2018 16:49 GMT
#182
Yeah good game this some good decisions from VGJ and Zai playing well on this 4 shaker
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Vertical
Profile Joined July 2011
Indonesia4317 Posts
April 15 2018 16:51 GMT
#183
the can beat the Terror "Final Boss" Blade
-Terran-
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
April 15 2018 16:51 GMT
#184
On April 16 2018 01:49 Pandemona wrote:
Yeah good game this some good decisions from VGJ and Zai playing well on this 4 shaker


Both teams are playing well, it's just a lineup & strategy conflicts. (If you aren't going to take the TB, just ban it.)
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
April 15 2018 16:53 GMT
#185
Triple eye of storm? XD
Kipsate
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
Netherlands45349 Posts
April 15 2018 16:53 GMT
#186
Double Agha Razor remains fucking hilarious after all this time.
WriterXiao8~~
Vertical
Profile Joined July 2011
Indonesia4317 Posts
April 15 2018 16:54 GMT
#187
fu** biased comentator
who wins it ?!?!?!
definetely VGJ
Optic burst soooo much buy back to be equal on that battle and now lost the roshan because "lost" buy backs
-Terran-
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
April 15 2018 16:55 GMT
#188
Reminder: SF has less than 30% winrate in DAC
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
April 15 2018 16:55 GMT
#189
Truly a game ruined by icefrog not nerfing lategame tb. thanksSSSSSS
The Bomber boy
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-15 17:02:52
April 15 2018 16:57 GMT
#190
The DS actually was really, really important, amazingly enough in this draft, but that's only because of what he does for a TB line up. I don't think it works if you aren't protecting the TB until late game.

Though leaving TB in the pool is a ppd special, since he thinks he can beat anything and wants to force you to prove you can win with it.
Vertical
Profile Joined July 2011
Indonesia4317 Posts
April 15 2018 16:59 GMT
#191
On April 16 2018 01:55 Wintex wrote:
Truly a game ruined by icefrog not nerfing lategame tb. thanksSSSSSS

I also hate him but his winrate in DAC is around 50%
so Im not expecting nerf anytime
-Terran-
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
April 15 2018 17:03 GMT
#192
On April 16 2018 01:59 Vertical wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2018 01:55 Wintex wrote:
Truly a game ruined by icefrog not nerfing lategame tb. thanksSSSSSS

I also hate him but his winrate in DAC is around 50%
so Im not expecting nerf anytime


What Effect & Pain do with a hero doesn't matter much.
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-15 17:10:26
April 15 2018 17:08 GMT
#193
On April 16 2018 01:59 Vertical wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2018 01:55 Wintex wrote:
Truly a game ruined by icefrog not nerfing lategame tb. thanksSSSSSS

I also hate him but his winrate in DAC is around 50%
so Im not expecting nerf anytime

Winrate doesn't mean shit. he's being played vs players that literally know exactly how to fuck with him and all, and still wins as long as he doesn`t get popped by any means within the smallest margin. He's not a difficult carry to play late, and the rewards you get for playing him are literally insane. it's not difficult to have a teammate lotus you so you can spam bkb and sunder/reflection.

It's way too unpunishing. Even a mana cost increase of A LOT wouldn't solve the fact that sunder and reflection are two of the best spells in the game late. Especially on a carry.

edit: heck, the fights where SF got targeted by reflection removed like 50% of his hp easily.
The Bomber boy
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
April 15 2018 17:12 GMT
#194
On April 16 2018 02:08 Wintex wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2018 01:59 Vertical wrote:
On April 16 2018 01:55 Wintex wrote:
Truly a game ruined by icefrog not nerfing lategame tb. thanksSSSSSS

I also hate him but his winrate in DAC is around 50%
so Im not expecting nerf anytime

Winrate doesn't mean shit. he's being played vs players that literally know exactly how to fuck with him and all, and still wins as long as he doesn`t get popped by any means within the smallest margin. He's not a difficult carry to play late, and the rewards you get for playing him are literally insane. it's not difficult to have a teammate lotus you so you can spam bkb and sunder/reflection.

It's way too unpunishing. Even a mana cost increase of A LOT wouldn't solve the fact that sunder and reflection are two of the best spells in the game late. Especially on a carry.

edit: heck, the fights where SF got targeted by reflection removed like 50% of his hp easily.


Teams that itemize better actually get punished by fighting TB.
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
April 15 2018 17:13 GMT
#195
Rotk with the "oh, Shaker is back? let's pick that!".
babysimba
Profile Joined November 2010
10466 Posts
April 15 2018 17:14 GMT
#196
Reflection needs to have targettable uncontrollable illusions
Wintex
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
Norway16838 Posts
April 15 2018 17:16 GMT
#197
On April 16 2018 02:12 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 16 2018 02:08 Wintex wrote:
On April 16 2018 01:59 Vertical wrote:
On April 16 2018 01:55 Wintex wrote:
Truly a game ruined by icefrog not nerfing lategame tb. thanksSSSSSS

I also hate him but his winrate in DAC is around 50%
so Im not expecting nerf anytime

Winrate doesn't mean shit. he's being played vs players that literally know exactly how to fuck with him and all, and still wins as long as he doesn`t get popped by any means within the smallest margin. He's not a difficult carry to play late, and the rewards you get for playing him are literally insane. it's not difficult to have a teammate lotus you so you can spam bkb and sunder/reflection.

It's way too unpunishing. Even a mana cost increase of A LOT wouldn't solve the fact that sunder and reflection are two of the best spells in the game late. Especially on a carry.

edit: heck, the fights where SF got targeted by reflection removed like 50% of his hp easily.


Teams that itemize better actually get punished by fighting TB.

Yeah, it's just illogical to see something like this in the game now. I don't understand how you can balance a game and just fail to nerf one or two things every patch that obviously are stupid AF. sniper troll during 6.83, lesh and lina to some extent in 84. Gyro getting a soft nerf and TB getting none the past few patches is truly impressive.
Ugh.
The Bomber boy
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Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
April 15 2018 17:17 GMT
#198
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Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
April 15 2018 17:32 GMT
#199
We've been back to 1v1 mid, and this game is 3v3, haha.
Deleted User 173346
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
16169 Posts
April 15 2018 17:40 GMT
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