EPTVega have Jakiro as their cheese hero
loving how these CIS teams are introducing new heroes in the meta and VGJ just straight out banning them
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Indonesia4317 Posts
Vega have Jakiro as their cheese hero loving how these CIS teams are introducing new heroes in the meta and VGJ just straight out banning them | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On April 15 2018 19:15 Vertical wrote: FTM have Treant as their cheese hero Vega have Jakiro as their cheese hero loving how these CIS teams are introducing new heroes in the meta and VGJ just straight out banning them Jakiro isn't a cheese; Undershock makes it a pretty hard carry. There's a reason VGJ.T first banned it. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
I'd like to see Viper go towards Radiance. Canceling blinks is going to be important and putting AoE damage into the supports as well. | ||
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Vertical
Indonesia4317 Posts
On April 15 2018 19:16 Taf the Ghost wrote: Jakiro isn't a cheese; Undershock makes it a pretty hard carry. There's a reason VGJ.T first banned it. hmm... lets make things straight first what do you consider as cheese? this is what Cheese Strategy is according to Liquipedia:  CheeseCheese is a pejorative expression which refers to a strategy that is highly unconventional and designed to take one's opponent by surprise. In general, cheese is hard to beat if not scouted but easy to defeat if it is scouted. so Treant and core Jakiro is not a common picks which is unconventional, therefore I classify it as cheese. unless I'm not seeing enough pro games to knew this strategy. Since I only watched main events, no qualifiers or recurring cups. | ||
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babysimba
10466 Posts
On April 15 2018 16:56 Taf the Ghost wrote: https://www.dotabuff.com/matches/3830552431 Probably the best example of NaVi's issues. They're against a Medusa, they have 1 pike (no forcestaffs), no Crimson or Pipe, and General doesn't have a Shiva's nor does either carry have an AC. There also isn't any evasion built on anyone, or at least a solar crest in the early game or even on the supports since the main cores were heavy right-click. Also, since the game went really late, build a necrobook on your supports. Aside from adding more spam to eat up Medusa shots, it also has a mana burn that's a problem for her. Plus, against 4p1 Medusa, even the Tusk Aghs would have been good. Kick Medusa, while slowed, and kill the team then Medusa. Also works for high ground sieging. NaVi for itemized for a game that wasn't happening and lost because of it. You can't say Navi has bad itemization at 50 min mark while completely ignoring the rationale behind their itemization from 20-40min. | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
But other teams (or regions) aren't really playing some of their signature picks to the same extent so teams may misjudge how strong something is because they haven't played against it. For example Fnatic was 1st banning Treant against Vega in one game and took it away from them in the other. They let Jakiro through thinking they could beat it, but it turned out otherwise | ||
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Vertical
Indonesia4317 Posts
On April 15 2018 19:38 spudde123 wrote: Those heroes aren't really surprising for any team that is playing Vega. They've played them quite a bit online. But other teams (or regions) aren't really playing some of their signature picks to the same extent so teams may misjudge how strong something is because they haven't played against it. For example Fnatic was 1st banning Treant against Vega in one game and took it away from them in the other. They let Jakiro through thinking they could beat it, but it turned out otherwise well that sums it. I didn't watched FTM and Vega enough. | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On April 15 2018 19:34 babysimba wrote: You can't say Navi has bad itemization at 50 min mark while completely ignoring the rationale behind their itemization from 20-40min. You're going high ground against a Medusa without any armor, evasion or ways of limiting the Medusa's right-click DPS output. | ||
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its_a_me
Austria612 Posts
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
Also, VGJ.T switched their 1 & 2 mid-tournament. That's kind of a big deal. | ||
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Vertical
Indonesia4317 Posts
they beat who they could've beat which is SG and surprises us by beating fnatic, not a huge huge upset though and ends up losing against a tier 2 team | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On April 15 2018 20:11 Vertical wrote: its an okay tournament for Vega they beat who they could've beat which is SG and surprises us by beating fnatic, not a huge huge upset though and ends up losing against a tier 2 team Teams need LAN experience and this is a young Vega roster. Rotk just out-drafted them, it happens and hopefully they can adjust and do well in their next LANs. | ||
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goody153
44254 Posts
On April 15 2018 15:38 Alpino wrote: Fnatic takes it all I don't think they'll win this time. They look shaky in the games Tho if they play on form then I would confidently say they beat optic | ||
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Geisterkarle
Germany3257 Posts
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On April 15 2018 20:51 Geisterkarle wrote: is 33 sleeping? puck stood next to a few creeps near dying and he didn't even attempt to last hit there! Not sure. Also not sure why the net worth is the way it is. CS isn't that far apart. Runes? | ||
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
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Pandemona
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
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spudde123
4814 Posts
On April 15 2018 20:57 Taf the Ghost wrote: Not sure. Also not sure why the net worth is the way it is. CS isn't that far apart. Runes? Fnatic also got a courier kill and first blood bonus. Possibly also most of the bounties but not sure | ||
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spudde123
4814 Posts
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Taf the Ghost
United States11751 Posts
On April 15 2018 21:02 Pandemona wrote: PPD making Fnatic look good atm xd Naga + Pango is a far better laning combo than I think anyone had thought, minus Fnatic, and it ruined Optic's lanes. Also kind of a bad laning phase by Zai + 33. | ||
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