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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
April 15 2018 12:13 GMT
#41
On April 15 2018 21:10 Taf the Ghost wrote:
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On April 15 2018 21:02 Pandemona wrote:
PPD making Fnatic look good atm xd


Naga + Pango is a far better laning combo than I think anyone had thought, minus Fnatic, and it ruined Optic's lanes. Also kind of a bad laning phase by Zai + 33.

For me though, Fnatic first picked Naga EVERY GAME this lan when could of course, why not first phase ban it xD
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spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-15 12:15:43
April 15 2018 12:14 GMT
#42
Well Fnatic wasn't particularly convincing with Naga even if they picked it 3 times in the 1st series against NaVi. Not sure why Optic or others would be persuaded to ban it based on that series

Once Fnatic gets BKBs on TA and TB and the 2nd rosh this should end
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
April 15 2018 12:17 GMT
#43
On April 15 2018 21:13 Pandemona wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2018 21:10 Taf the Ghost wrote:
On April 15 2018 21:02 Pandemona wrote:
PPD making Fnatic look good atm xd


Naga + Pango is a far better laning combo than I think anyone had thought, minus Fnatic, and it ruined Optic's lanes. Also kind of a bad laning phase by Zai + 33.

For me though, Fnatic first picked Naga EVERY GAME this lan when could of course, why not first phase ban it xD


adam isn't very good on the hero, actually, but with Universe on that side lane there is clearly a synergy no one had thought about. Though I think the real problem is how badly the laning went for Zai & 33. I'm not sure what went so badly, but Optic lost 2 lanes and that gave room for TA to farm like made after the laning phase.
spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-15 12:21:42
April 15 2018 12:20 GMT
#44
One of Naga's main strengths is being a strong dual offlaner. I don't think that came as a surprise.

TB is a strong laner if you can't kill him because he wins the first wave really hard with meta and is hard to click down due to high armor. WD is also one of the better laning supports. Not sure how much better Optic could have done bottom.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44254 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-15 12:27:26
April 15 2018 12:25 GMT
#45
Idk why the casters are having orgasms with pajkatt. This was obviously a pretty good morphling game with enough items and levels
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Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
April 15 2018 12:29 GMT
#46
On April 15 2018 21:25 goody153 wrote:
Idk why the casters are having orgasms with pajkatt. This was obviously a pretty good morphling game with enough items and levels


Because they've been casting Fnatic games for 3 days.
its_a_me
Profile Joined June 2016
Austria612 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-15 12:30:27
April 15 2018 12:29 GMT
#47
never try to understand the casters, most of them are just hype casters and dont have much knowlege
spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-15 12:31:01
April 15 2018 12:29 GMT
#48
Even with this sort of a NW lead Fnatic's cores are really reliant on BKBs. And Optic has some ghost scepters to prevent Fnatic from killing them during those.

Optic can't contest in a straight up 5v5 outside the base but base defense may still be doable.

Also Tsunami's commentary about "just stick together" seems pretty silly. You stick together as 5 and Morph and Puck just split push and you can never do anything. The reason Fnatic splits up is to out farm and keep the lanes in. Earlier it just went a bit poorly because Abed thought he could solo Morph but he barely didn't have enough damage. And then he didn't think he could die and didn't pop BKB defensively
Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
April 15 2018 12:31 GMT
#49
On April 15 2018 21:25 goody153 wrote:
Idk why the casters are having orgasms with pajkatt. This was obviously a pretty good morphling game with enough items and levels


It's also a good TA game after the laning stage went so well.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44254 Posts
April 15 2018 12:32 GMT
#50
On April 15 2018 21:29 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2018 21:25 goody153 wrote:
Idk why the casters are having orgasms with pajkatt. This was obviously a pretty good morphling game with enough items and levels


Because they've been casting Fnatic games for 3 days.

That's somehow understandable. Or either they just love optic(english talents seem to love optic since ever)
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its_a_me
Profile Joined June 2016
Austria612 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-15 12:32:59
April 15 2018 12:32 GMT
#51
count me insane but i would like e suprise divine on envy
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44254 Posts
April 15 2018 12:33 GMT
#52
On April 15 2018 21:31 Taf the Ghost wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2018 21:25 goody153 wrote:
Idk why the casters are having orgasms with pajkatt. This was obviously a pretty good morphling game with enough items and levels


It's also a good TA game after the laning stage went so well.

we're past that stage already. Fnatic didn't push the issue harder that's why we're stuck in the state where morphling is the best core in this game.
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goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44254 Posts
April 15 2018 12:36 GMT
#53
ET+Morphling shotgun literally one-shots everybody that isn't TA this game. Fnatic needs lotus/linkens stacking this game to actually win it late
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Taf the Ghost
Profile Joined December 2010
United States11751 Posts
April 15 2018 12:36 GMT
#54
Optic's lineup makes a lot of sense, but that TA really let them take over that mid-game.
spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
April 15 2018 12:37 GMT
#55
On April 15 2018 21:36 goody153 wrote:
ET+Morphling shotgun literally one-shots everybody that isn't TA this game. Fnatic needs lotus/linkens stacking this game to actually win it late


Yeah I think Fnatic should have used the supports being so rich to get such items. They have huge amounts of gold on supports but it isn't doing anything if they can't keep the TB alive when base sieging
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44254 Posts
April 15 2018 12:37 GMT
#56
Fnatic can beat this lineup later if they pickup linkens/lotus/AC
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its_a_me
Profile Joined June 2016
Austria612 Posts
Last Edited: 2018-04-15 12:39:32
April 15 2018 12:39 GMT
#57
man i hate this na turrtle dota
spudde123
Profile Joined February 2012
4814 Posts
April 15 2018 12:40 GMT
#58
Why is Abed not using his BKB in this game
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44254 Posts
April 15 2018 12:41 GMT
#59
On April 15 2018 21:37 spudde123 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 15 2018 21:36 goody153 wrote:
ET+Morphling shotgun literally one-shots everybody that isn't TA this game. Fnatic needs lotus/linkens stacking this game to actually win it late


Yeah I think Fnatic should have used the supports being so rich to get such items. They have huge amounts of gold on supports but it isn't doing anything if they can't keep the TB alive when base sieging

Or TA

Multiple linkens + lotus stops morphling from murdering the important cores through burst and i think TB+TA beats morphling in a fight.
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its_a_me
Profile Joined June 2016
Austria612 Posts
April 15 2018 12:41 GMT
#60
GJ forcing this buyback ... one more time and it should be over
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