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On August 13 2017 05:59 Toadesstern wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2017 05:58 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 13 2017 05:57 Shergal wrote:On August 13 2017 05:56 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 13 2017 05:56 Shergal wrote:On August 13 2017 05:55 Wintex wrote:
what a shame
lfy deserves better lfy crumbled and picked a mega garbage draft though. Everyone favored lfy draft few pages there, bruh. they did? i was watching bulldog and he called gg at the draft. was completely right until liquid started being liquid Everyone in this LR at least. But bulldog knows better. same here. I called it a massive outdraft from LFY and said Liquid needs to dominate to even have a chance and they did. Or maybe we didn't understand it and the early outplay was a given from the draft, idk.
I agree the AM last ban and the morph 4 pick seemed draft winning for LFY.
Liquid execution for the first 10 minutes was superb.
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On August 13 2017 06:16 lolfail9001 wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2017 06:15 intotheheart wrote:On August 13 2017 06:14 Wintex wrote:On August 13 2017 06:13 BlazingGlory wrote:On August 13 2017 06:05 lolfail9001 wrote:
That said i think Super has cemented his legacy as the best TI performer to not win a TI. Kuro will have 2 lost finals is Liquid loses this. depending on who u ask, kuro was a defining factor why natus vincere lost vs alliance. fuk ye xboct They should try a TI3 reunion of Na'Vi but I don't think PPY/Kuro would get along. Maybe they'll make Dendi captain/draft because of it rofl. TI3 version of Navi would not last a day, they are not exactly on good terms with each other at this point, Dendi+anyone relationship aside.
yeah i think dendi was quite unhappy with the fact that he spent 2 weeks practicing qop daily and never getting it in ti4
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On August 13 2017 06:18 Reson wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2017 06:13 Kuroeeah wrote:On August 13 2017 06:09 intotheheart wrote:On August 13 2017 06:09 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 13 2017 06:08 Kuroeeah wrote:
i'm surprised majority of the LR is actually backing Liquid to wi... Looks at the site i'm on..nvm LiquidBias bruh. Plus winning TI is a safe way to remove Miracle and GH from the scene. Wait how? Miracle and GH were playing pretty well. You don't get those sorts of wins over LFY by having 3v5... i'm sure i'm going to get shit for making this comment but liquid throughout the entire tournament looked very one note. Their games are predicated on whether or not they get their draft and if one key player like Miracle or GH doesn't get their comfort hero, they actually lose their games horrendously. I'm ready to eat my words here but honestly you can tell whether Liquid wins throughout this entire tournament just from draft alone. Can't say the same about other teams but well Liquid got this far for a reason. Liquid's strength revolves their draft so its understandable.
I made a similar point to this earlier concerning the rat drafts, but I totally understand the disconnect between:
> trying to win a TI
> watching a TI
and how they have different priorities: KKY doesn't care about how we perceive his play, as long as he gets to win. So if he's on a team with a strong reliance on drafting, he'll lean into that advantage.
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On August 13 2017 06:17 Kuroeeah wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2017 06:14 intotheheart wrote:On August 13 2017 06:13 Kuroeeah wrote:On August 13 2017 06:09 intotheheart wrote:On August 13 2017 06:09 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 13 2017 06:08 Kuroeeah wrote:
i'm surprised majority of the LR is actually backing Liquid to wi... Looks at the site i'm on..nvm LiquidBias bruh. Plus winning TI is a safe way to remove Miracle and GH from the scene. Wait how? Miracle and GH were playing pretty well. You don't get those sorts of wins over LFY by having 3v5... i'm sure i'm going to get shit for making this comment but liquid throughout the entire tournament looked very one note. Their games are predicated on whether or not they get their draft and if one key player like Miracle or GH doesn't get their comfort hero, they actually lose their games horrendously. I'm ready to eat my words here but honestly you can tell whether Liquid wins throughout this entire tournament just from draft alone. Can't say the same about other teams but well Liquid got this far for a reason. To be fair though, that's an insane achievement for winning a TI. Just by drafting better than anyone else. I mean, I honestly think most if not every TI winner (i have to think back on this) just wins through smart drafts. IG, Alliance, Newbee, EG. I never watched Na'Vi and I don't even know if I can really count their TI victory and Wing's is pretttttttty debatable.
Alliance was very far ahead of the meta during the whole 6 months, it was not only the drafts, it was also the use of jungle and buybacks, on top of that their coordination, if subpar by today's standards, was unrivalled at the time.
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Anything else coming before grand finals?
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Holy shit, were they playing TI1 at a food court?
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On August 13 2017 06:20 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2017 06:17 Kuroeeah wrote:On August 13 2017 06:14 intotheheart wrote:On August 13 2017 06:13 Kuroeeah wrote:On August 13 2017 06:09 intotheheart wrote:On August 13 2017 06:09 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 13 2017 06:08 Kuroeeah wrote:
i'm surprised majority of the LR is actually backing Liquid to wi... Looks at the site i'm on..nvm LiquidBias bruh. Plus winning TI is a safe way to remove Miracle and GH from the scene. Wait how? Miracle and GH were playing pretty well. You don't get those sorts of wins over LFY by having 3v5... i'm sure i'm going to get shit for making this comment but liquid throughout the entire tournament looked very one note. Their games are predicated on whether or not they get their draft and if one key player like Miracle or GH doesn't get their comfort hero, they actually lose their games horrendously. I'm ready to eat my words here but honestly you can tell whether Liquid wins throughout this entire tournament just from draft alone. Can't say the same about other teams but well Liquid got this far for a reason. To be fair though, that's an insane achievement for winning a TI. Just by drafting better than anyone else. I mean, I honestly think most if not every TI winner (i have to think back on this) just wins through smart drafts. IG, Alliance, Newbee, EG. I never watched Na'Vi and I don't even know if I can really count their TI victory and Wing's is pretttttttty debatable. Alliance was very far ahead of the meta during the whole 6 months, it was not only the drafts, it was also the use of jungle and buybacks, on top of that their coordination, if subpar by today's standards, was unrivalled at the time.
And unrivaled at the time means TI winning.
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Wowowow amazed how impromptu TI 1 was
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United States97276 Posts
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please broodwar please xDD
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So if you're Newbee you start the series with something like a Naga strat, right?
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United States97276 Posts
On August 13 2017 06:21 Keardan wrote:
So if you're Newbee you start the series with something like a Naga strat, right?
brood mother
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On August 13 2017 06:20 intotheheart wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2017 06:20 nojok wrote:On August 13 2017 06:17 Kuroeeah wrote:On August 13 2017 06:14 intotheheart wrote:On August 13 2017 06:13 Kuroeeah wrote:On August 13 2017 06:09 intotheheart wrote:On August 13 2017 06:09 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 13 2017 06:08 Kuroeeah wrote:
i'm surprised majority of the LR is actually backing Liquid to wi... Looks at the site i'm on..nvm LiquidBias bruh. Plus winning TI is a safe way to remove Miracle and GH from the scene. Wait how? Miracle and GH were playing pretty well. You don't get those sorts of wins over LFY by having 3v5... i'm sure i'm going to get shit for making this comment but liquid throughout the entire tournament looked very one note. Their games are predicated on whether or not they get their draft and if one key player like Miracle or GH doesn't get their comfort hero, they actually lose their games horrendously. I'm ready to eat my words here but honestly you can tell whether Liquid wins throughout this entire tournament just from draft alone. Can't say the same about other teams but well Liquid got this far for a reason. To be fair though, that's an insane achievement for winning a TI. Just by drafting better than anyone else. I mean, I honestly think most if not every TI winner (i have to think back on this) just wins through smart drafts. IG, Alliance, Newbee, EG. I never watched Na'Vi and I don't even know if I can really count their TI victory and Wing's is pretttttttty debatable. Alliance was very far ahead of the meta during the whole 6 months, it was not only the drafts, it was also the use of jungle and buybacks, on top of that their coordination, if subpar by today's standards, was unrivalled at the time. And unrivaled at the time means TI winning.
Six months of domination can't only be drafts.
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On August 13 2017 06:20 Shellshock wrote:
imagine if TL had TaeJa
Depends on the game. Don't think he'd play DotA very well, or speak the same language as everyone else very well.
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On August 13 2017 06:21 Keardan wrote:
So if you're Newbee you start the series with something like a Naga strat, right?
5 terrible naga games vs them. make them suffer
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Northern Ireland22212 Posts
On August 13 2017 06:20 Elurie wrote:
Holy shit, were they playing TI1 at a food court?
it was gamescom in germany
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On August 13 2017 06:20 Elurie wrote:
Holy shit, were they playing TI1 at a food court?
its was at gamescom
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Purge's explanation of this early pull is AWESOME
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On August 13 2017 06:21 nojok wrote:Show nested quote +On August 13 2017 06:20 intotheheart wrote:On August 13 2017 06:20 nojok wrote:On August 13 2017 06:17 Kuroeeah wrote:On August 13 2017 06:14 intotheheart wrote:On August 13 2017 06:13 Kuroeeah wrote:On August 13 2017 06:09 intotheheart wrote:On August 13 2017 06:09 lolfail9001 wrote:On August 13 2017 06:08 Kuroeeah wrote:
i'm surprised majority of the LR is actually backing Liquid to wi... Looks at the site i'm on..nvm LiquidBias bruh. Plus winning TI is a safe way to remove Miracle and GH from the scene. Wait how? Miracle and GH were playing pretty well. You don't get those sorts of wins over LFY by having 3v5... i'm sure i'm going to get shit for making this comment but liquid throughout the entire tournament looked very one note. Their games are predicated on whether or not they get their draft and if one key player like Miracle or GH doesn't get their comfort hero, they actually lose their games horrendously. I'm ready to eat my words here but honestly you can tell whether Liquid wins throughout this entire tournament just from draft alone. Can't say the same about other teams but well Liquid got this far for a reason. To be fair though, that's an insane achievement for winning a TI. Just by drafting better than anyone else. I mean, I honestly think most if not every TI winner (i have to think back on this) just wins through smart drafts. IG, Alliance, Newbee, EG. I never watched Na'Vi and I don't even know if I can really count their TI victory and Wing's is pretttttttty debatable. Alliance was very far ahead of the meta during the whole 6 months, it was not only the drafts, it was also the use of jungle and buybacks, on top of that their coordination, if subpar by today's standards, was unrivalled at the time. And unrivaled at the time means TI winning. Six months of domination can't only be drafts.
Well it wasn't just the draft of course, but it plays a huge part into every DotA game doesn't it? At this level*
At my pubs, anything goes because everyone in my pubs is awful, but at that level of play the draft probably does account for a lot of how a game will go.
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On August 13 2017 06:20 Elurie wrote:
Holy shit, were they playing TI1 at a food court?
TI1 was played at gamescom next to the Razer booth.
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EPT
