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Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-01 17:18:12
November 01 2015 17:17 GMT
#4481
On November 02 2015 02:15 TomatoBisque wrote:
I don't think w33's hero pool is that small, he can play SF, Meepo, WR, Lina, QoP, Tiny. Probably TA too? That's plenty for a midlaner and that's just what we've seen from him

Add Storm and Razor to that list.

His champ pool is wide, his QoP is so sick as well.
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
TomatoBisque
Profile Joined March 2013
United States6290 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-01 17:18:12
November 01 2015 17:17 GMT
#4482
On November 02 2015 02:17 Mensol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2015 02:15 TomatoBisque wrote:
I don't think w33's hero pool is that small, he can play SF, Meepo, WR, Lina, QoP, Tiny. Probably TA too? That's plenty for a midlaner and that's just what we've seen from him

Add Storm and Razor to that list.

Does he play those in pubs? I'm only listing stuff that I've seen him play for Secret

I figured he could play Storm but no one wants to play that hero postnerfs
rip
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44228 Posts
November 01 2015 17:18 GMT
#4483
On November 02 2015 02:17 Mensol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2015 02:15 TomatoBisque wrote:
I don't think w33's hero pool is that small, he can play SF, Meepo, WR, Lina, QoP, Tiny. Probably TA too? That's plenty for a midlaner and that's just what we've seen from him

Add Storm and Razor to that list.

Yeah

most of the pubstomping mid heroes. He's pretty much a pubstar midplayer so he knows most of them
this is a quote
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44228 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-01 17:19:01
November 01 2015 17:18 GMT
#4484
On November 02 2015 02:17 TomatoBisque wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2015 02:17 Mensol wrote:
On November 02 2015 02:15 TomatoBisque wrote:
I don't think w33's hero pool is that small, he can play SF, Meepo, WR, Lina, QoP, Tiny. Probably TA too? That's plenty for a midlaner and that's just what we've seen from him

Add Storm and Razor to that list.

Does he play those in pubs? I'm only listing stuff that I've seen him play for Secret

pretty sure he does, i think all good midplayers know TA (except s4 he is very weird on TA i think that's not his hero)
this is a quote
TomatoBisque
Profile Joined March 2013
United States6290 Posts
November 01 2015 17:19 GMT
#4485
On November 02 2015 02:18 goody153 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2015 02:17 TomatoBisque wrote:
On November 02 2015 02:17 Mensol wrote:
On November 02 2015 02:15 TomatoBisque wrote:
I don't think w33's hero pool is that small, he can play SF, Meepo, WR, Lina, QoP, Tiny. Probably TA too? That's plenty for a midlaner and that's just what we've seen from him

Add Storm and Razor to that list.

Does he play those in pubs? I'm only listing stuff that I've seen him play for Secret

pretty sure he does, i think all good midplayers know TA (except s4 he is very weird on TA i think that's not his hero)

Alright then that's a plenty fine hero pool
rip
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
November 01 2015 17:20 GMT
#4486
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
November 01 2015 17:20 GMT
#4487
Speaking about TA it would have been a way better pick than DP in game 3 imo.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-01 17:21:14
November 01 2015 17:20 GMT
#4488
As for what VG has to do... Super is their captain. There's no way they kick him unless they find another captain. Xiao8 is the only choice at the moment. But I don't think Xiao8 and Icex3 are able to work together.
Kraznaya
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3711 Posts
November 01 2015 17:21 GMT
#4489
On November 02 2015 02:20 Mensol wrote:
https://twitter.com/NahazDota/status/660865157107572736


honestly a retarded stat. envy even averages less KDA than you'd expect based on game flow because he always ignores secured kills to chase further
do you have enough resolve, hero of justice?
TomatoBisque
Profile Joined March 2013
United States6290 Posts
November 01 2015 17:21 GMT
#4490
On November 02 2015 02:13 rabidch wrote:
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On November 02 2015 02:08 sacrilegious wrote:
Forgot to mention, it did seem Super was very mediocre this whole series (maybe except game 1) though game 5 he had no support to protect him early on. Wouldn't it be something if he was eventually kicked, and Icex3 went back to being a mid player?

dont think iceiceice is stable enough to be a mid player anymore, sometimes he makes as many dumb decisions as super if not more. he is just able to get away with it because hes offlane

its not only a super issue but also a VG issue, which they prefer not to protect their mid a lot

I think xiao8 could also mid like he did on Big God
rip
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-01 17:25:19
November 01 2015 17:24 GMT
#4491
Also, despite all the shit given to VG, the results still indicate they are the best Chinese team, and it's not though any other Chinese team has been able to match up, so even though Super is mediocre when placed against the best of the West, he's still one of the best of the rest.
TheYango
Profile Joined September 2008
United States47024 Posts
November 01 2015 17:27 GMT
#4492
I mean, who would you replace him with in China? Even if you could pick from any player, all the players that might be better in a vacuum are still probably worse for VG.
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bagels21
Profile Joined August 2012
United States4357 Posts
November 01 2015 17:27 GMT
#4493
On November 02 2015 02:12 Azarkon wrote:
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On November 02 2015 02:05 TheYango wrote:
On November 02 2015 01:59 Azarkon wrote:
Doesn't matter how hard the captain tries when the team doesn't listen.

Puppey also has a drafting style much more suited to players who will just play anything he picks, because he drafts much more to the game than to comfort heroes.

This is why Na'Vi performed best when they had a lineup with players who would just play anything, and could not stabilize with a roster of players with a much more focused list of heroes, even if in the short term those players were upgrades with regard to individual skill.


I feel Puppey's picks have themselves changed over the years. He started off just picking a lot of comfort heroes - eg back when he was picking Pudge for Dendi, hard carry for Xboct every game, etc. But then there was a period when he tried to get his team to go outside of their comfort zone. For example putting Dendi on Magnus, Xboct on support heroes, etc. Finally, I think he's gotten a balance of the two. In Secret, you see him putting EternalEnvy and PLD on comfort heroes, and then using the versatility of Misery and himself to round out the team. The only player that is still a bit hard for me to understand is W33ha. Puppey started off picking comfort picks for him - eg Meepo, WR, etc. - but his hero list is increasing.


Yango is referring to TI2 Na'Vi (AA + LoH) vs. TI3 Na'Vi (Kuro + Funnik)
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44228 Posts
November 01 2015 17:28 GMT
#4494
Maybe is actually really good midplayer he could replace super. IF Super isn't a huge shotcaller of VG.
this is a quote
Kabras
Profile Joined June 2011
Romania3508 Posts
November 01 2015 17:29 GMT
#4495
On November 02 2015 02:28 goody153 wrote:
Maybe is actually really good midplayer he could replace super. IF Super isn't a huge shotcaller of VG.

he could very well be considering his best heroes are gankers.
"So playing SF in pubs, everyone remember that a very important point is that when using a carry hero like this you must be very selfish. Because working with team mates is a very dangerous thing" - 2009
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44228 Posts
November 01 2015 17:30 GMT
#4496
On November 02 2015 02:29 Kabras wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2015 02:28 goody153 wrote:
Maybe is actually really good midplayer he could replace super. IF Super isn't a huge shotcaller of VG.

he could very well be considering his best heroes are gankers.

he also don't have issues on the farming mids like TA/SF
this is a quote
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
November 01 2015 17:43 GMT
#4497
On November 02 2015 02:28 goody153 wrote:
Maybe is actually really good midplayer he could replace super. IF Super isn't a huge shotcaller of VG.


LGD isn't going to give up Maybe.
bagels21
Profile Joined August 2012
United States4357 Posts
November 01 2015 17:44 GMT
#4498
On November 02 2015 02:28 goody153 wrote:
Maybe is actually really good midplayer he could replace super. IF Super isn't a huge shotcaller of VG.


IDK looks like FY doesn't like drafting so somehow Super's ended up in that role.

If we see changes, they might actually be soon after the fall major
Orome
Profile Blog Joined June 2004
Switzerland11984 Posts
November 01 2015 17:51 GMT
#4499
All this bleak talk about a team that just lost 2-3 in the finals is a bit weird, but I think overall it's icex3 who fits VG least, despite Super's recent weaknesses.
On a purely personal note, I'd like to show Yellow the beauty of infinitely repeating Starcraft 2 bunkers. -Boxer
NeThZOR
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
South Africa7387 Posts
November 01 2015 17:54 GMT
#4500
On November 02 2015 02:51 Orome wrote:
All this bleak talk about a team that just lost 2-3 in the finals is a bit weird, but I think overall it's icex3 who fits VG least, despite Super's recent weaknesses.

I think the team's playstyle is outdated and iceiceice and fy are the only ones doing anything
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