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MoonBear
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
Straight outta Johto18973 Posts
November 01 2015 17:06 GMT
#4461
"Americans are trigger happy"

Wut?
ModeratorA dream. Do you have one that has cursed you like that? Or maybe... a wish?
sunrazgriz
Profile Joined April 2015
Vatican City State1573 Posts
November 01 2015 17:06 GMT
#4462
kick super win something vg
6nnn
Mensol
Profile Joined September 2012
14536 Posts
November 01 2015 17:06 GMT
#4463
kick rtc win two lans

one less ego one more championship
If you don't know what the fuck you are doing, how are your enemies supposed to know what the fuck you are doing. - imaqtpie on NA teams at Worlds.
eekmice
Profile Blog Joined April 2005
United States373 Posts
November 01 2015 17:07 GMT
#4464
Despite their success, I want to see more hero diversity and success from w33. He's basically played meepo, wr, and sf. I'm curious to see why he hasn't played much of ta, qop etc.
V1ctor
Profile Joined March 2011
Moldova1645 Posts
November 01 2015 17:08 GMT
#4465
On November 02 2015 02:07 eekmice wrote:
Despite their success, I want to see more hero diversity and success from w33. He's basically played meepo, wr, and sf. I'm curious to see why he hasn't played much of ta, qop etc.


if it ain't broke don't fix it
pellejohnson
Profile Joined January 2012
United States1931 Posts
November 01 2015 17:08 GMT
#4466
God dammit why must EE be on secret? Secret would be so easy to like
sacrilegious
Profile Joined September 2012
Canada863 Posts
November 01 2015 17:08 GMT
#4467
Forgot to mention, it did seem Super was very mediocre this whole series (maybe except game 1) though game 5 he had no support to protect him early on. Wouldn't it be something if he was eventually kicked, and Icex3 went back to being a mid player?
Eternalobi
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada220 Posts
November 01 2015 17:10 GMT
#4468
VG the new king of 2nd place? EG will be too, cause Secret gonna win everything.
Dreamer.T
Profile Joined December 2009
United States3584 Posts
November 01 2015 17:11 GMT
#4469
On November 02 2015 02:08 sacrilegious wrote:
Forgot to mention, it did seem Super was very mediocre this whole series (maybe except game 1) though game 5 he had no support to protect him early on. Wouldn't it be something if he was eventually kicked, and Icex3 went back to being a mid player?


I think there were a few moments where a better game sense would've prevented him from dying. Also that morphling pick still boggles my mind, especially vs AM + dazzle lane. It did nearly nothing except maybe troll around with some stuns and some cutesy replication mana sapping.
Forever the best, IMMvp <3
nanaoei
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
3358 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-01 17:12:10
November 01 2015 17:12 GMT
#4470
On November 02 2015 02:08 sacrilegious wrote:
Forgot to mention, it did seem Super was very mediocre this whole series (maybe except game 1) though game 5 he had no support to protect him early on. Wouldn't it be something if he was eventually kicked, and Icex3 went back to being a mid player?


and who are they taking offlane who is as good?
super played worse than what a championship would require, but he realizes this.
it's not like he wasn't there for all of other VG's successes. you don't just kick someone because they choked in the finals.
*@boesthius' FF7 nostalgia stream bomb* "we should work on a 'Final Progamer' fangame»whitera can be a protagonist---lastlie: "we save world and then defense it"
TomatoBisque
Profile Joined March 2013
United States6290 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-01 17:12:56
November 01 2015 17:12 GMT
#4471
On November 02 2015 02:12 nanaoei wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2015 02:08 sacrilegious wrote:
Forgot to mention, it did seem Super was very mediocre this whole series (maybe except game 1) though game 5 he had no support to protect him early on. Wouldn't it be something if he was eventually kicked, and Icex3 went back to being a mid player?


and who are they taking offlane who is as good?
super played worse than what a championship would require, but he realizes this.
it's not like he wasn't there for all of other VG's successes. you don't just kick someone because they choked in the finals.

xiao8? Might not be as mechanically skilled but he's best captain in china
rip
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44252 Posts
November 01 2015 17:12 GMT
#4472
On November 02 2015 02:10 Eternalobi wrote:
VG the new king of 2nd place? EG will be too, cause Secret gonna win everything.

not yet cause you know it's EG
this is a quote
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
November 01 2015 17:12 GMT
#4473
On November 02 2015 02:05 TheYango wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2015 01:59 Azarkon wrote:
Doesn't matter how hard the captain tries when the team doesn't listen.

Puppey also has a drafting style much more suited to players who will just play anything he picks, because he drafts much more to the game than to comfort heroes.

This is why Na'Vi performed best when they had a lineup with players who would just play anything, and could not stabilize with a roster of players with a much more focused list of heroes, even if in the short term those players were upgrades with regard to individual skill.


I feel Puppey's picks have themselves changed over the years. He started off just picking a lot of comfort heroes - eg back when he was picking Pudge for Dendi, hard carry for Xboct every game, etc. But then there was a period when he tried to get his team to go outside of their comfort zone. For example putting Dendi on Magnus, Xboct on support heroes, etc. Finally, I think he's gotten a balance of the two. In Secret, you see him putting EternalEnvy and PLD on comfort heroes, and then using the versatility of Misery and himself to round out the team. The only player that is still a bit hard for me to understand is W33ha. Puppey started off picking comfort picks for him - eg Meepo, WR, etc. - but his hero list is increasing.
Count9
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
China10928 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-01 17:14:54
November 01 2015 17:13 GMT
#4474
On November 02 2015 02:07 eekmice wrote:
Despite their success, I want to see more hero diversity and success from w33. He's basically played meepo, wr, and sf. I'm curious to see why he hasn't played much of ta, qop etc.

super played 5 heroes in 5 games and was decidedly average in all of them (g1 arguable I guess)

I think it's much better to have a very very good limited hero pool than try and play everything at an average level because if you have 2 or more players that can do that (misery:slardar, w33:sf,wr, pld:bounty) then you can't get banned out and you basically never have to worry about 1-2 of your players not having a gigantic impact on the game. Obviously your other heroes should still be average to above average and not awful. It worked for alliance too when they were best in the world. Plus if they try to ban players you can get low skill ceiling obviously broken heroes like doom sneak past the ban phase.
lolfail9001
Profile Joined August 2013
Russian Federation40190 Posts
November 01 2015 17:13 GMT
#4475
Two less egos, two more championships, huehue.
DeMoN pulls off a Miracle and Flies to the Moon
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44252 Posts
November 01 2015 17:13 GMT
#4476
On November 02 2015 02:12 TomatoBisque wrote:
Show nested quote +
On November 02 2015 02:12 nanaoei wrote:
On November 02 2015 02:08 sacrilegious wrote:
Forgot to mention, it did seem Super was very mediocre this whole series (maybe except game 1) though game 5 he had no support to protect him early on. Wouldn't it be something if he was eventually kicked, and Icex3 went back to being a mid player?


and who are they taking offlane who is as good?
super played worse than what a championship would require, but he realizes this.
it's not like he wasn't there for all of other VG's successes. you don't just kick someone because they choked in the finals.

xiao8? Might not be as mechanically skilled but he's best captain in china

basically made LGD this TI5 extremely good all of the sudden

yeah i go for xiao8
this is a quote
rabidch
Profile Joined January 2010
United States20289 Posts
November 01 2015 17:13 GMT
#4477
On November 02 2015 02:08 sacrilegious wrote:
Forgot to mention, it did seem Super was very mediocre this whole series (maybe except game 1) though game 5 he had no support to protect him early on. Wouldn't it be something if he was eventually kicked, and Icex3 went back to being a mid player?

dont think iceiceice is stable enough to be a mid player anymore, sometimes he makes as many dumb decisions as super if not more. he is just able to get away with it because hes offlane

its not only a super issue but also a VG issue, which they prefer not to protect their mid a lot
LiquidDota StaffOnly a true king can play the King.
goody153
Profile Blog Joined April 2013
44252 Posts
November 01 2015 17:14 GMT
#4478
On November 02 2015 01:58 hariooo wrote:
LOOOOOOOOOL ENVY SMACK XIITUZI

what am i missing

On November 02 2015 01:58 Mensol wrote:
EE SAMA RAISING THE CUP

DREAM ACHIEVED FOR EE FANS.


omg i just close the stream

On November 02 2015 01:59 DwD wrote:
Good Bye DJ Girl. I will miss you have a nice life~ T_T

T_T
this is a quote
Kabras
Profile Joined June 2011
Romania3508 Posts
November 01 2015 17:14 GMT
#4479
On November 02 2015 02:07 eekmice wrote:
Despite their success, I want to see more hero diversity and success from w33. He's basically played meepo, wr, and sf. I'm curious to see why he hasn't played much of ta, qop etc.

well he's probably not gonna be playing much meepo from here on. teams have learned to expect the pick and found counters. but puppey values sf very highly, if he can get it after slardar or doom he will pretty much always pick it. and lately he hasn't even picked w33's hero in the first phase, it's always been ember/slardar/doom + a support. if teams allow him to second phase pick sf ofc he should go for it.
"So playing SF in pubs, everyone remember that a very important point is that when using a carry hero like this you must be very selfish. Because working with team mates is a very dangerous thing" - 2009
TomatoBisque
Profile Joined March 2013
United States6290 Posts
Last Edited: 2015-11-01 17:16:04
November 01 2015 17:15 GMT
#4480
I don't think w33's hero pool is that small, he can play SF, Meepo, WR, Lina, QoP, Tiny. Probably TA too? That's plenty for a midlaner and that's just what we've seen from him
rip
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